Thomas Traub: To all the guys that compare the X30 with the RX100 III:
Both cams are on a very high level and both have advantages and disadvantages.
RX 100 III: slightly better image quality, presumably at higher iso, smaller body, less zoom-range, awkwardly VF, slippery body, hardly usable with both hands, better to use with one hand (it is your personal choice wether this is an advantage or an disadvantage)
X30: biger, better zoom-range, more practically VF, can used with both hands (like you use a DSLR - what is in my personal opinion a clear advantage - but this can be completely different for others), external flash via hot shoe
So it is a mather of taste which cam is better for you.
For me, the Fuji is better because of the excellent zoom (that I enjoy on my X10), it is realy great to work with - very similar to my Nikon equipment, I also esteem the grip of the body.
... but it's a mather of taste .....
Go for Canon G1X Mk2 then.
Nomorefilmman: I examined the dpreview sample images of the Canon g1x and g1x mark II, and compared them to the dpreview Sony rx100 Mark III sample images.
The Sony images are not as good as the Canon images in brightness, color, and contrast, it seems to me. They seem rather flat and lifeless to me in comparison.
I own the Canon g1x and have shot well over a thousand images of events and travel; the dpreview sample images are exactly what my images look like.
So if the Sony test images are representative of users' experiences, I myself would be thinking about the next Sony revision, if that type of smaller pocket fitting compact camera were of interest to me.
If good image quality is the objective along with reasonable compactness, I would go for the Canon g1x mark II; right now I'm quite happy with the older g1x, and would buy the mark II if I find that I really could use the mark II faster lens and new viewfinder.
I think exactly the same (apart from the fact that this "extra" size in front of RX100 series makes G1X Mk2 much more fun to use when talking about manual controls).
Mine is already ordered since 2 weeks ago and willing to receive it ASAP, as I sold my G1X Mk1 before ordering Mk2.
Lombard59: I hesitated buying a Sony RX10 or Canon G1X MII. what matters most to me is the noise and image quality. And the G1X MII is behind in both jpeg and raw. Have you seen the Comparometer of dpreview? Is that canon does not win anything about the sony. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony...ot-dsc-rx10/11. The weight is less, though. But then I look at this another widget and confuses me: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/cano...g1-x-mark-ii/9 there is not as clear that the image quality sony. Do you understand? Is not it contradictory a link to the other? Does anyone know who is better at high ISO? eg ISO 1600, ISO 3200 .. Who makes better blurs? In short, regardless of the sensor size and price What is better, the Sony Rx10 or Canon G1X MII?
I was in the same situation and finally ordered a G1X Mk2 (I was owning a G1X Mk1). It is true that maybe RX10 is sharper, but size was important for me (a good size I mean, I don't like RX100 because it's too small for enjoying it, but that's my personal feeling).
I also checked the comparometer in imagingresource.com and the difference there didn't seemed to me as much (as I'm not a PRO), so that was the point when I finally decided to go for the Canon.
And also in imagingresource.com, I checked G1X Mk2 against RX100 Mk2 (which is a very common comparison in DPREVIEW opinions, as in RX100 Mk3 preview) and I would say that I don't see that RX100 Mk2 is better than G1X Mk2... RX10 really is a little bit better on sharpness (due to its nice lens). Again, I'm noPRO.
So in my personal opinion, if comparing 2 cameras in different specialized web pages lead to different conclusions, those cameras are not very far away one from the other, so then I chose the one with the best ergonomics.
Nukunukoo: Tried the G1 X, felt very solid, nice, the dial operations were especially impressive. Took several shots outside the shop. Did a RAW review on my notebook and made a firm decision.
I then bought the Sony RX10 after that.
Was video quality your main driver for deciding to go for the RX10? Or was something else?
I had it yesterday in my hands together with RX10, and could try them a little bit. Decision is done thanks to this and I will be upgrading my G1X to G1X Mk2... it feels so great in your hands, rings on the lens are extremely useful, size and manual controls are perfect for enjoying shooting with the camera (something I don't think that happens with RX100, that's why I was evaluating RX10)...
So as I think I won't be loosing IQ with the change, and I will be enjoying several things on the new model (close focusing distance improvement, rings on the lens barrel which will make much more comfortable manual focusing, tactile LCD, faster lens, faster autofocus,...), will go for it for sure.
Davidbailey: Looking at the images when compared to the mk1 they appear inferior, I have the g1x mk1 and think I will be keeping it, this silly comparison with the tiny sensor sony is exactly that silly. The nearest comparison with the g1x is the fuji x100-ricoh gr. The rx100 is a fantastic small sensor camera I know I have had one. But to me it's nearest rival is the lx7 compared with size plus the sensor is nearer the size than that of the g1x. The original g1x might not have the fastest lens but the fact that it of high quality glass and you can use 1600 ISO with no loss of detail more than make this a match for a entry level dslr. Can't wait for comments on this.
I also have G1X, but willing to move to a new camera as I really like the new options with rings in the lens barrel (manual focus with rear dial in G1X is quite uncomfortable).
This morning was comparing G1X Mk2 with Sony RX10 at imagingresource.com and it's true that resolution/sharpeness of RX10 is better (actually I think it can compete with 5D3/DF/others, at least in the samples in this site, only Olympus EM1 seemed better to me when chceking Resolution sample, at the bottom centerclogo/address). Anyway, I can live with G1X Mk2 sharpeness if I check not-lab samples, so I think decision is made finally.
Roland Karlsson: What a disappointment. Make a very nice camera with a very good lens and put an aged sensor in it with yesterdays performance. I was planning to buy it. But ... now I buy something else. Thank you DPR for this review!
The problem is only - what?
I have looked at A6000, GM1, GX7, RX100 and P5.
me also, but from a different point of view. I'm not looking for pocketability but for the best IQ in an all-in-one package which I enjoy using (manual controls with easy access mainly), so my other option is RX10, which has the same good sensor than RX100 II and a better lens... my only worries are not having Canon 180° tilting-tactile LCD and the weird sensibility of focus/zoom lens rings in the Sony. Size should be also worrying me, but I could live with it.
If lense makes the difference (and assuming size is not a problem for a person who is not looking for a pocketable camera), G1X Mk2 or Sony RX10?
brycesteiner: I can't believe they are still putting this out? Mirrorless is so far ahead of the game. Nikon, where is your innovation?
Battery life is normally better in Reflex mainly due to 3 things:- Reflex have more space for a bigger battery- Reflex have no powerzooms- Battery duration in a reflex is measured without using live view, so LCD only showing white letters over black backgroundThose 3 things are some of the consequence/drivers when deciding which camera to go with... so for an EVIL this battle is always lost... but that's part of the deal right? People buy EVIL because they normally like to have smaller cameras, to compose using the LCD and sometimes to have powerzooms (smoother for video).
psoque: Sorry for reposting...I think I didn't get it right previously...
I'm sure we will have to wait when Canon PowerShot G1X Mark II is actually released in the US, but I am extremely curious to know if the "macro" performance on RX10 compares to that on G1x Mark II. As a "casual" flower photo-taker, that feature, which was not great on original G1X which I owned until recently, is very important to me.
also waiting for a good comparison of these 2 cameras...
Some days I think "I will upgrade my G1X and go for he G1X Mk2"... some others I think "I have to give it a try to the RX10"...
There's a lot of people having such a good remarks on RX100 M2 that sometimes I think... RX10 should be even better with such a ZEISS lens...
Willing to have a full review on G1X Mk2 in order to take a decision...
AbrasiveReducer: Given the size and weight, the quality looks very good. I wonder how the G1X2 compares with the Ricoh and the Coolpix. I'll bet the difference isn't all that much and here's a camera where you don't have to bring or buy anything else to avoid being stuck with a 28mm or 35mm lens.
Willing to see a review comparing it against Sony RX10...
Charlieangel: OK, here's a question abut comparing the GX1 Mk. II with the Sony RX10.With a bigger sensor, the Canon should outperform the RX10 at least up to the limits of the GX1's lens zoom, 120mm. At what point zoom magnification would the Sony RX10 start to outperform the GX1, in terms of the amount of light available and resolution? I realize the different aperture ranges and different ## of megapixels complicates the issue. But what formula would one use, and what would be the results?
should't you consider the different crop factors before assuming RX10 will "catch" G1X mk2 at 28mm?
uzevla: There seems to be many 50+ guys on this forum who had never seen a decent LCD. Top quality LCD is a way better option than a crappy viewfinder.The failure with this one is that they insisted on a large sensor by sacrificing many things. First of all, adding a high end EVF or OVF like the one in X100 and using a bit smaller sensor would result in a more capable camera - I would buy it right away. But to repeat again: I don't give a damn about cheap OVFs.
Second, this lens seems a bit small - I am afraid it will be similar to that crap in RX100. Again, smaller sensor would allow to use a higher quality lens (note: I am happy with the apertures offered _ I am actually waiting for ages for an m43 with bright and fixed high quality zoom - hopefully Fuji X30 will be the one).
And if you're waiting for Fuji X30, which has quite a smaller sensor than G1X Mk2 and RX-10... What's your opinion about Olympus Stylus 1?
So you think then that Sony RX-10 with an smaller 1-inch sensor and quite a good lens (in my opinion) is a best buy than G1X Mk2??
rccasgar: Willing to see an exhaustive comparison between this camera and Sony RX-10... now I have a G1X Mk1 and both of them solve everything I don't like of it: slow AF, no ring dial around the lense (makes very uncomfortable to shot in manual gocus), poor macro and no tactile LCD...
Regarding the lack of viewfinder, this is something that doesn't worry me too much (even being a nice to have, don't get me wrong).
My main doubt now is if I should go for the constant f2.8 lens from the Sony (even if this means a heavy gear and a smaller sensor) or to go for the G1X Mk2, which is faster on the wide end but slower at the other end. Heavy gear normally means better handling, and as none of them are pocketable, I want to make the decision only based on IQ and polivalence.
Thanks a lot Misolo.Seems that G1X Mk2 is taking advantage then... will start thinking of selling my G1X Mk1 :)
Considering the figures Misolo just wrote on the previous entry of this thread, max aperture from RX-10 seems to be better from 28mm on, which is almost all focal lengths (except 24mm). QUESTION: do these figures need to be corrected/modified in order to compare both cameras due to the different size of the sensors (effective apperture, equivalent apperture in 35mm, or whatever... I'm just a begginer in some way)? If yes, then I am doing a wrong comparison here...
From lenstip via "luckypenguin" at the photography-on-the.net forums:.............G1X.......G1X Mark II24mm....( - ).......(f/2)28mm....(f/2.8)...(f/2.8)35mm....(f/3.5)...(f/3.2)50mm....(f/4.5)...(f/3.5)85mm....(f/5.6)...(f/3.9)100mm..(f/5.6)...( f/3.9)112mm..(f/5.8)...(f/3.9)120mm..( - ).......(f/3.9)
Willing to see an exhaustive comparison between this camera and Sony RX-10... now I have a G1X Mk1 and both of them solve everything I don't like of it: slow AF, no ring dial around the lense (makes very uncomfortable to shot in manual gocus), poor macro and no tactile LCD...
Tony0211: I'm 74 years old and spent most of my photo days looking through SLRs with viewfinders. I'm looking for a high end compact but only the Panasonic offers a viewfinder although the author is critical of it. What does one do on a bright sunny day at the beach or anywhere too bright to see the image on the screen?
What about Olympus Stylus 1??
ccl2003: Is it true that the G X Vario PZ 14-42mm lens is not that good especially on max zoom? I read somewhere that max zoom produces blurry shots. I'm seriously considering the GX1 and to be honest I have no intention of changing the lens because it will function as my daily point and shoot cam. I'm hesitating in getting a Canon 550D or 600D due to their size and I'm after the GX1 due to its size, weight and performance.
Any inputs will definitely be appreciated. Thanks!
Seems to, as per Dpreview review...
I'm waiting for Canon G1X, which seems to me a better option if you're not willing to change lenses...