Thomas Traub: To all the guys that compare the X30 with the RX100 III:
Both cams are on a very high level and both have advantages and disadvantages.
RX 100 III: slightly better image quality, presumably at higher iso, smaller body, less zoom-range, awkwardly VF, slippery body, hardly usable with both hands, better to use with one hand (it is your personal choice wether this is an advantage or an disadvantage)
X30: biger, better zoom-range, more practically VF, can used with both hands (like you use a DSLR - what is in my personal opinion a clear advantage - but this can be completely different for others), external flash via hot shoe
So it is a mather of taste which cam is better for you.
For me, the Fuji is better because of the excellent zoom (that I enjoy on my X10), it is realy great to work with - very similar to my Nikon equipment, I also esteem the grip of the body.
... but it's a mather of taste .....
Go for Canon G1X Mk2 then.
beril2013: i want a camera that takes excellent photos and excellent video for family.. Taking photos of my daughter while she is swimming at the beach etc... My budget is $1000 . I don't want a DSLR. Is the rx100 iii suitable for me? or can i get something better for $1000? size doesn't matter by the way.
Roland Karlsson: From the review
"I'm just not a fan of head-and-shoulder portraits at this focal length (and consequent working distance). And using the RX100 III confirmed my initial reaction that I'd prefer a slightly longer lens."
Hmmmmmm ... I think a 1" sensor is good enough to crop some.
The results of cropping are never the same than the ones coming from a longer focal length ("flat" image), only an approximation.
Menneisyys: New test images at http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53808805 :
At 24mm equiv, the GM1 + 12-32 kit combo has, apart from the two right corners (decentering issue on the 12-32??), definitely better corner sharpness wide open than the RX100M3 at f/4. However, the 12-32 has decidedly higher barrel distortion.
The G1XM2, at wide open (f/2), has better corner sharpness as the GM1 on the right (again, the 12-32 seems to be decentered) but worse on the left. It's better than the RX100M3 f/4 in all four corners.
I think you would do a good job there...
Nomorefilmman: I examined the dpreview sample images of the Canon g1x and g1x mark II, and compared them to the dpreview Sony rx100 Mark III sample images.
The Sony images are not as good as the Canon images in brightness, color, and contrast, it seems to me. They seem rather flat and lifeless to me in comparison.
I own the Canon g1x and have shot well over a thousand images of events and travel; the dpreview sample images are exactly what my images look like.
So if the Sony test images are representative of users' experiences, I myself would be thinking about the next Sony revision, if that type of smaller pocket fitting compact camera were of interest to me.
If good image quality is the objective along with reasonable compactness, I would go for the Canon g1x mark II; right now I'm quite happy with the older g1x, and would buy the mark II if I find that I really could use the mark II faster lens and new viewfinder.
I think exactly the same (apart from the fact that this "extra" size in front of RX100 series makes G1X Mk2 much more fun to use when talking about manual controls).
Mine is already ordered since 2 weeks ago and willing to receive it ASAP, as I sold my G1X Mk1 before ordering Mk2.
Boky: Was looking at RX100III sample images....tried really hard to like them. Then for comparison I checked G1X II sample images -> and the sun is shining again! I see colour, contrast, definition, perspective.... No doubt RX100III is technological & electronics marvel... now all it has to become is a photographic apparatus. Maybe in a couple of years or so....Nick
pitaw: Yikes, at iso 6400 Canon G1X Mark ll smokes the Sony RX100 M3...I like to see more tests before buying, sigh.
People, as me, can decide to go for de G1X Mk2 because it's still much less bulkier than ILCs or DSLRs, but providing all the ergonomics and manual controls that make you enjoy shooting (which is not the case on RX100 series).
I simply don't understand all that people which says that if a camera doesn't fit in your jeans pocket, then go for a DSLR... come on, this is not black or white, and size matters even if the camera doesn't fit in your jeans or if you still want a camera with the best compromise on "compactness" and manual controls.
davids8560: Let this model stand as the pocket camera of record. But I am not so much obsessed with pocketability. I would never put this camera in my pocket, anyway. So how about making the finest small enthusiast compact ever? The RX10 is at the other end of the spectrum. How about something in between with this sensor that is small and light, has amazing glass, and is covered with useful buttons and controls? So what if it's a bit more than pocket-sized?
pacnwhobbyist: This new Bionz X processor that's in the RX100 M3...hasn't it been problematic in terms of JPEG processing in other recent Sony cameras?
soft JPEGs you mean? At least, on RX10 was solved in a certain way by decreasing Noise Reduction level to Low (as far as I remember)
Lombard59: I hesitated buying a Sony RX10 or Canon G1X MII. what matters most to me is the noise and image quality. And the G1X MII is behind in both jpeg and raw. Have you seen the Comparometer of dpreview? Is that canon does not win anything about the sony. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony...ot-dsc-rx10/11. The weight is less, though. But then I look at this another widget and confuses me: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/cano...g1-x-mark-ii/9 there is not as clear that the image quality sony. Do you understand? Is not it contradictory a link to the other? Does anyone know who is better at high ISO? eg ISO 1600, ISO 3200 .. Who makes better blurs? In short, regardless of the sensor size and price What is better, the Sony Rx10 or Canon G1X MII?
I was in the same situation and finally ordered a G1X Mk2 (I was owning a G1X Mk1). It is true that maybe RX10 is sharper, but size was important for me (a good size I mean, I don't like RX100 because it's too small for enjoying it, but that's my personal feeling).
I also checked the comparometer in imagingresource.com and the difference there didn't seemed to me as much (as I'm not a PRO), so that was the point when I finally decided to go for the Canon.
And also in imagingresource.com, I checked G1X Mk2 against RX100 Mk2 (which is a very common comparison in DPREVIEW opinions, as in RX100 Mk3 preview) and I would say that I don't see that RX100 Mk2 is better than G1X Mk2... RX10 really is a little bit better on sharpness (due to its nice lens). Again, I'm noPRO.
So in my personal opinion, if comparing 2 cameras in different specialized web pages lead to different conclusions, those cameras are not very far away one from the other, so then I chose the one with the best ergonomics.
Raist3d: My main concern with this camera is that it apparently handles very similar to the RX100 MKII. I'll be frank and say that trying the RX100 MKII, I was pretty underwhelmed with the workflow/ergonomics/shooting experience to the point that it made me wonder what are the reviewers focusing about when reviewing the camera.
I do respect what Sony has done with this line from a technical point of view, but from a photography point of view, I feel they need to address some issues.
The RX100 MKIII Does address the lens issue (good), puts a very cleverly designed EVF (good). To me that wouldn't be enough to get out of the bad RX100 MKII shooting experience- but if the menus are much more responsive now, that would be a step forward that together wight the new enhancements would put the RX100 MKIII as the first Sony model in this line I could recommend and perhaps even consider. I found the menu response of the previous models a bit laggy.
I tried tgis with G1X Mk2 and I can confirm this is not heppening in the Canon (it was also an importabt point for me). G1X Mk2 starts at the last focal length you used, even in Auto.
BG_CX3_DPREVIEW: hmm, i hear; look at these greatly improved psecs and graphs, me think, yeah, so, still far away from competitors in that pricerange.
I can only agree with the review; a great camera we just can't love.
The 1"s are the new PxS cameras' . Asap Sony, Nikon,... accepts this fact, and brings the price tag back to the coirrect level, this thing will sell.
Don't think reach is the only reason for buying G1X Mk2: better handling, better manual controls (confortable DUAL rings on the barrel, touch screen, ...)
shademaster: Dear Richard, Thanks for the quick and detailed review. But I'm puzzled by the emphasis (again) on the lack of clicks on the lens control dial. It doesn't seem to bother anyone else, and it seems like a very personal issue to get such a high profile on the list of "cons".
it all depens if you look not only for technical features and specs or also for enjoying shooting... that's why I will go for a G1X Mk2. Size and holding on RX100 doesn't help neither. I can live with the less-pocketable size of G1X Mk2... I tried RX10 due to its sharpness, but size and weight in my hands made me think that it will stay at home more than I would like, so...
Nukunukoo: Tried the G1 X, felt very solid, nice, the dial operations were especially impressive. Took several shots outside the shop. Did a RAW review on my notebook and made a firm decision.
I then bought the Sony RX10 after that.
Was video quality your main driver for deciding to go for the RX10? Or was something else?
I had it yesterday in my hands together with RX10, and could try them a little bit. Decision is done thanks to this and I will be upgrading my G1X to G1X Mk2... it feels so great in your hands, rings on the lens are extremely useful, size and manual controls are perfect for enjoying shooting with the camera (something I don't think that happens with RX100, that's why I was evaluating RX10)...
So as I think I won't be loosing IQ with the change, and I will be enjoying several things on the new model (close focusing distance improvement, rings on the lens barrel which will make much more comfortable manual focusing, tactile LCD, faster lens, faster autofocus,...), will go for it for sure.
Davidbailey: Looking at the images when compared to the mk1 they appear inferior, I have the g1x mk1 and think I will be keeping it, this silly comparison with the tiny sensor sony is exactly that silly. The nearest comparison with the g1x is the fuji x100-ricoh gr. The rx100 is a fantastic small sensor camera I know I have had one. But to me it's nearest rival is the lx7 compared with size plus the sensor is nearer the size than that of the g1x. The original g1x might not have the fastest lens but the fact that it of high quality glass and you can use 1600 ISO with no loss of detail more than make this a match for a entry level dslr. Can't wait for comments on this.
I also have G1X, but willing to move to a new camera as I really like the new options with rings in the lens barrel (manual focus with rear dial in G1X is quite uncomfortable).
This morning was comparing G1X Mk2 with Sony RX10 at imagingresource.com and it's true that resolution/sharpeness of RX10 is better (actually I think it can compete with 5D3/DF/others, at least in the samples in this site, only Olympus EM1 seemed better to me when chceking Resolution sample, at the bottom centerclogo/address). Anyway, I can live with G1X Mk2 sharpeness if I check not-lab samples, so I think decision is made finally.
Roland Karlsson: What a disappointment. Make a very nice camera with a very good lens and put an aged sensor in it with yesterdays performance. I was planning to buy it. But ... now I buy something else. Thank you DPR for this review!
The problem is only - what?
I have looked at A6000, GM1, GX7, RX100 and P5.
me also, but from a different point of view. I'm not looking for pocketability but for the best IQ in an all-in-one package which I enjoy using (manual controls with easy access mainly), so my other option is RX10, which has the same good sensor than RX100 II and a better lens... my only worries are not having Canon 180° tilting-tactile LCD and the weird sensibility of focus/zoom lens rings in the Sony. Size should be also worrying me, but I could live with it.
If lense makes the difference (and assuming size is not a problem for a person who is not looking for a pocketable camera), G1X Mk2 or Sony RX10?
Nomorefilmman: Hi all,Anyone know if dpreview will run an in-depth full test on the G1x Mark II?Or is this it?
I don't agree with this, but it's up to you how you build your review of course. Anyway, I think there are more people doubting between G1X Mk2 and RX10 than RX100 II.
G1X Mk2 is not pocketable. RX100 II is not providing such a user experience than the other two... Your comparison with RX100 II is only applicable to RX10 in terms of sensor, but it won't help me for sure in deciding which is the best all-in-one camera...
Please Richard, do some comparison with RX10 in your review.Thanks