Charlieangel: OK, here's a question abut comparing the GX1 Mk. II with the Sony RX10.With a bigger sensor, the Canon should outperform the RX10 at least up to the limits of the GX1's lens zoom, 120mm. At what point zoom magnification would the Sony RX10 start to outperform the GX1, in terms of the amount of light available and resolution? I realize the different aperture ranges and different ## of megapixels complicates the issue. But what formula would one use, and what would be the results?
should't you consider the different crop factors before assuming RX10 will "catch" G1X mk2 at 28mm?
uzevla: There seems to be many 50+ guys on this forum who had never seen a decent LCD. Top quality LCD is a way better option than a crappy viewfinder.The failure with this one is that they insisted on a large sensor by sacrificing many things. First of all, adding a high end EVF or OVF like the one in X100 and using a bit smaller sensor would result in a more capable camera - I would buy it right away. But to repeat again: I don't give a damn about cheap OVFs.
Second, this lens seems a bit small - I am afraid it will be similar to that crap in RX100. Again, smaller sensor would allow to use a higher quality lens (note: I am happy with the apertures offered _ I am actually waiting for ages for an m43 with bright and fixed high quality zoom - hopefully Fuji X30 will be the one).
And if you're waiting for Fuji X30, which has quite a smaller sensor than G1X Mk2 and RX-10... What's your opinion about Olympus Stylus 1?
So you think then that Sony RX-10 with an smaller 1-inch sensor and quite a good lens (in my opinion) is a best buy than G1X Mk2??
rccasgar: Willing to see an exhaustive comparison between this camera and Sony RX-10... now I have a G1X Mk1 and both of them solve everything I don't like of it: slow AF, no ring dial around the lense (makes very uncomfortable to shot in manual gocus), poor macro and no tactile LCD...
Regarding the lack of viewfinder, this is something that doesn't worry me too much (even being a nice to have, don't get me wrong).
My main doubt now is if I should go for the constant f2.8 lens from the Sony (even if this means a heavy gear and a smaller sensor) or to go for the G1X Mk2, which is faster on the wide end but slower at the other end. Heavy gear normally means better handling, and as none of them are pocketable, I want to make the decision only based on IQ and polivalence.
Thanks a lot Misolo.Seems that G1X Mk2 is taking advantage then... will start thinking of selling my G1X Mk1 :)
Considering the figures Misolo just wrote on the previous entry of this thread, max aperture from RX-10 seems to be better from 28mm on, which is almost all focal lengths (except 24mm). QUESTION: do these figures need to be corrected/modified in order to compare both cameras due to the different size of the sensors (effective apperture, equivalent apperture in 35mm, or whatever... I'm just a begginer in some way)? If yes, then I am doing a wrong comparison here...
From lenstip via "luckypenguin" at the photography-on-the.net forums:.............G1X.......G1X Mark II24mm....( - ).......(f/2)28mm....(f/2.8)...(f/2.8)35mm....(f/3.5)...(f/3.2)50mm....(f/4.5)...(f/3.5)85mm....(f/5.6)...(f/3.9)100mm..(f/5.6)...( f/3.9)112mm..(f/5.8)...(f/3.9)120mm..( - ).......(f/3.9)
Willing to see an exhaustive comparison between this camera and Sony RX-10... now I have a G1X Mk1 and both of them solve everything I don't like of it: slow AF, no ring dial around the lense (makes very uncomfortable to shot in manual gocus), poor macro and no tactile LCD...
Tony0211: I'm 74 years old and spent most of my photo days looking through SLRs with viewfinders. I'm looking for a high end compact but only the Panasonic offers a viewfinder although the author is critical of it. What does one do on a bright sunny day at the beach or anywhere too bright to see the image on the screen?
What about Olympus Stylus 1??
ccl2003: Is it true that the G X Vario PZ 14-42mm lens is not that good especially on max zoom? I read somewhere that max zoom produces blurry shots. I'm seriously considering the GX1 and to be honest I have no intention of changing the lens because it will function as my daily point and shoot cam. I'm hesitating in getting a Canon 550D or 600D due to their size and I'm after the GX1 due to its size, weight and performance.
Any inputs will definitely be appreciated. Thanks!
Seems to, as per Dpreview review...
I'm waiting for Canon G1X, which seems to me a better option if you're not willing to change lenses...
valent: I thought for last few years when will Canon finally make non-slr camera with sensor larger than a nail, and this is it!
Finally they made compact camera with big sensor, cudos to Canon.
Is there a manual zoom ring on the lens, or are my eyes deceiving me?
Your eyes are deceiving you... :(
TheEyeOfTheOracle: This camera has a lot of good features. However, six months from now the first thing that people will mention about this camera is that it has a MANUAL, POP-UP FLASH. To put a manual, pop-up flash on a camera that purports to not only be a Pro-Am camera, but to redefine the category is beyond an oversight -- it is a monumental miscalculation for which someone at Canon should be fired.
So if this is unacceptable for such an expensive camera, then you think the same about the flash in Panasonic GX1, GF3, ...
Am I right?
Tboyer: Exciting at first glance, but without interchangeable lenses, it's basically a G12 with better low light performance.
Unless you're really married to Canon, I just don't see any reason why anybody would buy this camera with the Panny G3 and GX2 out there. They're just as compact, sensor size is basically the same, and they're so much more versatile. Sony NEX is an admirable try but you will only ever have one source for lenses.
Canon and Nikon are both trying to protect Aps-C format and their lens busienss, but photographically the right thing for them to do would be to start making M4/3 cameras.
Please keep in mind that there are people (as myself) that like the idea of "simplicity" that comes together with a non-interchangeable lens camera.
Let's see the success of the camera, but I really think there's people out there that is looking for a "compact" camera with better IQ, manual controls but only a single non-interchangeable lens.
Agree anyway that price (if finally it's confirmed) is a little bit high in my opinion. But to be honest, also G12 was more expensive than its competitors (LX5, XZ-1, ...), being similar to X10 price.
photosen: I for one think the slightly bigger size is a plus; I was ready to buy a G12 but found it way too small for my hands; the only other options to complement my DSLR with its almost full set of lenses where the Fuji X100 (expensive and quirky) or a Pentax with pancake lenses... Sure enough Canon eventually gets there... I just hope that optical viewfinder is a little more "full on" than the G12's...
Panasonic G3 with 14-42 powerzoom will have a similar size, and a much better viewfinder...
For me the point here is: do I want an interchangeable lens camera? (yes or no).
J. Qian: I'm surprised that Canon still manages to come out with a larger camera than the Panasonic GX1 plus G X VARIO PZ 14-42mm lens. The Panasonic model of course has the ability of lens changing, which is an irresistible advantage unless the Canon G1X can produce significantly higher image quality, and it seems not likely.
But maybe there's a kind of photocamera users than look for quality pictures without interchangeable lenses... I mean, not all users are PRO... I really like the idea of a compact camera like this.
Boissez: Looks extremely nice (for some). The lack of 24mm, 3:2 sensor and its size (larger than a Pana GX1+similar lens) are its major shortcomings though.
That's the decision for me right now... Panasonic GX1 with 14-42 powerzoom lens or waiting for this new G1X. Really funny that my decision now is how to order the same 3 characters "G", "X" and "1" :)
marcomariano: nice sensor size, 4/3...
but still only 28/2.8 lens, competition are 24/2.0 & 24/1.8...
Come on, competition are using much smaller sensors... as said before in this post, aperture and focal lenght is not better in normal mirrorless with kit lens.Don't forget we're still talking about a compact camera... I could understand you were complaining about its price... but I really think there's no compact which can closely follow this new G1X.
Nate21: the sensor size might be great upgrade from the fujifilm hs-10 but the price is a ball buster but like most fuji cameras sounds good on paper but the results must be tested with real world samples.
Let's wait for DPREVIEW test. It's clear that X-S1 is going to share the same sensor than X10, but maybe X-S1 is not having the orbs issue... who knows.
In this forum there were quite a lot of people saying that those so perfect orbs where too perfect for being a sensor defect, and betting on a firmware problem ...
I still hope that X-S1 is not having the orbs problem, as the camera seems amazing.
Daniel Lowe: This is a very nice refinement of a line that is proving to be excellent bridge cameras.
Hopefully this HS30 is not a "quick" patch because they're not able to solve the WDS problem for being able to release X-S1.
eddie_cam: New sensor design? Hopefully, without WDS ...
I also hope WDS are not there. But my big wish is that they get rid of them in the future X-S1...
John Carson: If you want to see a really spectacular example, look at the orb on the windscreen of the car in the center of the shot here:
(the full-size version is best).
Upps... I really love what Fuji is doing with its X series, but what it's shown in this picture is simply not acceptable (if true).
I'm really willing to buy X-S1, but for sure I will wait for DPREVIEW to check that Fuji's ammendment for this problem really works.
Mike Beller: I think I represent the classic target market - I only want one camera but I'm frustrated by the quality and low light performance of compacts. I'm currently using a Panasonic super zoom DMC-FZ35 and would like to upgrade to something with faster focus and better low light performance. I don't use too many manual adjustments and I don't use extra lenses, flash or VF accessories, etc.
The GX1 looks great (especially with the G X VARIO PZ 14-42mm/F3.5-5.6 lens but I'd probably want a longer zoom) but I don't really need manual adjustments/hot shoe/etc. I'm thinking the GF3 with the G VARIO HD 14-140mm/F4.0-5.8 lens could be a good all around replacement. I'm also considering the direct upgrade path to the DMC-FZ150K which would be much less expensive. Does the GF3 outperform the FZ150K?
GX1? GF3? FZ150K? Any recommendations? Considerations?
If you don't want manual controls and you want a big zoom, go for the GF3 with G X VARIO PZ 45-175mm.