I think there is quite a huge cultural gap between Japanese Corporations and U.S. customers. As this case once again illustrates. Its fairly ubelievable that Nikon leadership is just shutting-up and thinking that they can silently ride this one out like all the other quality incidents they rode out before this one.
If APPLE had such a problem at the launch with one of their new products then some top brasses head would role, as did happen in the past, for example, with the Iphone 4 antenna problem, for which Mark Papermaster publically got fired. I am sure we would never see someting comparable happen in japan, apparently the clocks still count time very differently there.
My expectation is: at least some qualified statement and a stop-gap solution, like a free but effective cleaning-kit from Nikon. Such a simple measure would go a long ways to patching things up a litlle bit.
I checked the pictures, and looked at the Video. The technology is not very well explained, normally you would try to show some serious real world application and explain the benefit of it, I did not see any of that, thus it just looks like a cool gimmick at this point.
Stephan Def: My issues with the D600:
1. NO articulated Screen. I know the counter arguments, but for me its a fundamental issue. I can be far more creative with an articulated screen period. So someone is going to say: its too slow to focus on-screen, if that is the argument then I have to say: conceptual error, because I will be happy to even focus manually in that case (why no focus peaking?...)
If I get that DSLR then I will get the 24-70 2.8 Lens to go with it (no compromises), and its really overpriced for NOT having VR! If I am going to have to pay that kind of money then I want it all, no excuses please.
Whats the deal with the poor production quality? (Sensor-Dust, Oil)
Reconsider Sony A99? I am not a Sony-fan, but I get more for the money, especially in-body stabilization, articulated screen, focus peaking, higher frame rates, excellent EVF, etc
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And additionally there is a ton of m42 lenses that will fit on the Sony Alpha Mount with a glassless adapter. There are many many m42 lenses available used.
My issues with the D600:
photo nuts: This camera will (i) seal Nikon's status as the bestselling DSLR manufacturer worldwide (ii) stem the loss of converts to mirrorless cameras (iii) help ensure FF DSLRs stay relevant for many more years.
While Canon had a massive head-start when digital DSLR cameras were first launched, it appears they are now losing steam rather quickly... Way to go, Nikon!
<< I never have been a fan of FF due to bulk and feeling a bit ridiculous carrying one. I feel like people expect me to be a pro when I am only a hobbyist. >>
@liquidsquid I totally agree with your comment & sentiment, I feel awkward and foolish, to say the least, when carrying a piece of in-your-face Hardware-Status Symbol like this one with me just to have a decent image quality. There has to be a better way...
What peeves me even more, is that I would have to shell out another small fortune to get the proper lens to go with it: 24-70 2.8 and that it does not even have VR!
It just all seems way over the top.
budi0251: hmmm, having red most of the comments;I'm supposing most people thinks more megapixels mostly is not a good thing, and yes indeed it may; and for some added thoughts, anything from Nikon which is not for "Pro" market DSLR body may (and would) have dodgy PDAF.
This dodgy PDAF will even be more evident with more megapixels, so....,yes, more MP will show more of a misfocus, diffractions, fringing, abberation, focus shifts, etc... almost all optical photography defects will be way more evident.
I suppose this will call to have an even better lenses (a good primes nonetheless), anything else will just under-resolved the sensor resolutions.and not to mention : "With great megapixels, comes great responsibilities!"
I am not sure if more Megapixels in general are a good thing or a bad thing, I haven't decided yet. They are likely to be a good thing when all the rest of the technology (including software) catches up.
For this particular line of Cameras (D5xxx) however I doubt if more megapixels is the answer to the question of what the targeted consumer really needed. There are other missng functions that are more important. For example some manual focussing assists (focus peaking) and support for Nikon legacy lenses,
Stephan Def: Overall I think there will have to be a convergence in Smartphones and Digital Cameras. So in the longer run of things this Camera is one of the last Dinosaurs.
Why am I saying that? Well, there is a whole Laundry list of reasons, too many to list here. The established Digital Camera Industry is just not getting it what the average consumer really needs. The average consumer wants many many really cool functions and features and a slim design, the established Industry is not going to give him that, there is not enough real creativity there. Much of it boils down to a software developement problem, and there needs to be a disrupting force, as it happened with smartphones.
<< It is a physical fact that bigger lenses and sensors will be better than smaller ones. >>
You are not factoring in the practical limitations. You have real cost, size and weight limitations in any practical application. So bigger is not always going to be better.
It may not be possible to change the rules of physics, but you don't actually have to. You only have to change the ground rules of exposure and how you process that data.
Take for example: multi-frame noise reduction. That concept is quite a serious innovation, it opens up all kinds of new doors and avenues in producing better exposures. This only became possible with microprocessors and better software and that takes you right back to good old moore's law. Think about it.
I am not a physics expert but I am sure there is enormous potential in just varying the exposure parameters while doing multiple exposures in rapid succession and the then computing that information into an optimal exposure.
Well for one thing there is the form factor and that is already changing a lot, mirrorboxes are not necessarily needed anymore. Have a look where mirrorless is going. Focus technology changing as well.
There are a lot of things that I can do with a smartphone that I can't do with todays digial cameras. Foremost they are programmable and open to third party Applications. Media & communication.
Ask your wife or your girlfriend what she would rather take with here to here next Art exhibition, a DSLR with a 16-85mm Zoom or if she would prefer something less bulky, something significantly more compact with a slim and elegant design, unobtrusive however without sacrificing any functionality or image quality.
Overall I think there will have to be a convergence in Smartphones and Digital Cameras. So in the longer run of things this Camera is one of the last Dinosaurs.
zos xavius: I don't get it. This is the same sensor as the D3200 right? Is this the same sensor as nex-7? If you ask me nex-7 looks bad from 1600 and up compared to the d7000/K-5 sensor. I do realize it has 9 million more pixels, but that brings up another point. If people are finding it hard to match lenses to their d800 that can outresolve the sensor, won't people run into the same problems here? My k-5 outresolves glass pretty easily. At 24mp, I know I would be pushing past the limits of all but my best primes. It just seems like a lesser base image for more resolution that you will have a hard time achieving with consumer level zooms, which is likely what a lot of people buying this camera will be using. Dxomark rates it as the same level of sensitivity to the d7000. Coming from a k-5 users perspective, I find this hard to believe. One of the biggest nex7 complaints was noise. Can anyone say this is now the best aps sensor? It doesn't seem to be if iq is your top priority.
I agree that this 24MP Sensor has been and still is a questionable proposition in terms of image quality.
The 16 MP Exmoor Sensor (D5100) has excellent image quality up to 1600 ISO. So if indeed you are using kit lenses that perform best at f8 to f11 and you are in a suboptimal light situation than that extra ISO performance would make a big difference. Whats more if you are an Auto-ISO shooter, which definately makes sense in longer focal ranges up to 200-300, then you are not going to be staying at 100-200 ISO a lot of the time.
gsum: I have one of "the more expensive "professional" models". It has no focussing problems.Stephan Def is putting out misinformation.
I classify your comment as a Troll-comment for the simple reason that you don't state which Model you are refering to that you are claiming "has no focussing problems". So your comment is actually non-factual. But it begs the question why others then are switching to hybrid-focusing systems.
I base my PDAF comments on an independent test that was run 2 times in Colorfoto a well respected Photography Journal in Central Europe. The results of their tests was really an eye opener in regard to the defective quality and performance of PDAF focusing systems.
Stephan Def: NIKON PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE ASKING FOR!
... I don't know what Nikon is thinking: NOBODY was asking for more Megapixels.
I would have considered buying one if it had a motodrive for older Lenses, if it had a manual focus peaking feature for older lenses. Whats also needed is state of the art AF. Everybody knows PDAF does not work by now, the hybrid-AF systems are the future.
So what will I do? ... Buy a Sony Nex Mirrorless for christmas and use my old Nikon Lenses on it (with an adapter) and then I will even have focus peaking.
Nikons Marketing department has a serious Personell problem and it should better be fixed pronto otherwise it will continue to impact their business ability.
why no factual arguments?
Stephan Def: so what good are more Megapixels if PDAF keeps missing the focus as is the case even on the more expensive "professional" models?
"Interestingly, the D5200 is equipped with a significantly upgraded AF system, based around the same Multi-Cam 4800DX AF sensor that is used in the D7000"
The AF on the D7000 was one of the most problematic functions of that camera, read the forums and the independent tests, massive complaints about missed focus. So if the new D5200 has the focus functionality of the D7000 how is that an improvement?
"Why are you worried about auto-focus ?" OK good question.
I am worried about it because on APS-C format PDAF is more like Auto-out-of-focus. The problem is aggravated by the shallow depth of field on that format.
What worries me is that no one is telling the unsuspecting consumers about it, who are spending thousands of bucks on this equipment. And it is a huge problem. Instead camera salesmen are suggesting the problem is not the camera but rather the photographer, which adds insult to injury. Yes I am upset about it.
And actually its true, if you have the time you are better off focusing manually using some decent focus assist technology like focus peaking. Instead of playing roulette with PDAF where you may find that only every 2nd shot is in focus with some luck. And that applies to all systems, some are worse than others.
so what good are more Megapixels if PDAF keeps missing the focus as is the case even on the more expensive "professional" models?
delusional yes? Lets see the methodology by which Nikon is determining what the masses want. Ohh ... its not there?
NIKON PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE ASKING FOR!
OK that wooden Grip is worth about €5000 , I guess...
But I am willing to bet Rollex could do an even better package of the Nex 7 and ask for much more ...
Cameras entering an age of pure decadence?
Maybe its time apple or google got into this business and give them some serious disruption.