vladimir314: The main difference between MLs and DSLRs is do the VF!The only role of the mirror is to provide the camera with optical viewfinder.The ML camera can never have precise OVF.
If it is for you absolutely necessary to use OVF then go DSLR, if you like to use EVF or no VF go ML
Lot of Ca, Ni, Sig etc. lens can be used on both camera types, there is no subst. difference. Im now e.g. using old Exakta Zeiss lens on my new Sony A6000 and it works too.
If you think this only about an OVF than your missing the bigger picture.
The nx1 is running a new opensource operating system named Tizen. This allows the nx1 to connect seamlessly to enabled samsung devices right out of the box. It can use a Smartphone or Tablet or Samsung television as an external viewing device remote control device. And there is much more connectivity via Bluetooth, wifi, nfc.
This is also the case for the nx300 and nx300m. and there are many more products in the pipeline that will be running tizen. There is also an open SDK for software developers. Canikon are not even close to anything like this.
Yes of course, more electronics will require more power, but those problems can be solved.
Samsung: "Mirrorless to outsell DSLRs 'in three years' " ... its a hint! He's saying that there will be more coming where that came from. More affordable Models in the 600€-850€ range. 1699€ is a bit much for many buyers, so bring down the price into the entusiast price range while putting in the core technology out of the nx1 and increase market share. They probably also should partner with Sigma or buy them outright.
Just out of curiosity, what cameras do have sound recording per image?
I think its a very important function that has very many uses, to capture the atmosphere of some situation its very important. Technically it seems like a no brainer to me. So what is it about marketing departments that are intentionally crippling functions in Cameras?
Just a Photographer: Samsung might have had the biggest stand at Photokina, it was also the most empty stand. Next to the fact that the NX1 didn't focus when I tried it. Might be due to the fact that the touch screen can't be turned off, I don't know. It didn't work for me at least.
Samsung seems to be a gadget company, not a camera company. Its just a thing they do too.
This kind of comment does not sound credible to me, Samsung is investing a lot into their anouncement of this Camera from their Introductory text: "Samsung’s fastest autofocus system to date, the NX AF System III. Photographers can quickly focus on subjects, making this camera ideal for photographing a football player as they run down the field or baseball action at home plate. "
Samsung would hardly be making this kind of an announcement with an untested Camera that does not focus at all or way to slow. Sounds more like their Demo Model has all of its settings screwed up by visitors playing with the Camera.
I would never risk that kind of a comment unless I had diligently verified that there is indeed not a user error at issue, screwed up settings low battery whatever.
Do another Video, go into more details, post samples somewhere, Flickr, Google+ whereever. This stuff gets looked at... practice presenting more, if your first Video is just so so, then pull it off and do a better one...
Anyways Kudos to Samsung and Dpreview for the coverage from Photokina, lets see some more of this :-)
p.s what you could consider doing is letting people ask questions about the nx1 online and then give the answers to them... for example I'd be interested to see how some of those permium lenses look on other smart cameras like the nx300 just for fun... I'd also like to know much more about the connectivity options, wifi, nfc, bluetooth. lets see some action fotos with high frame rates...
Thanks I really enjoyed your "cheet sheet" its good to have concise summarys like that one.
You say:"but judging by the amount of energy Nikon is putting into creating affordable FX optics" ...
Which affordable FX optics are you talking about? And can you say a word or two about their quality. It would be good to have kind of a quality index for FX lenses. The only FX lens that comes to my mind is the 24-70 2.8, which is kind of expensive, However it does not have OIS, which is a shame for a lens in that price range. If Nikon wants to convince people to move to FX they need to get much more serious about their lens lineup in that area. Alternatively Nikon could put OIS into their bodies, which would solve most of those issues and other Vendors are just that.
Anastigmat: Not inventive enough. Same APS-C format that is losing popularity among enthusiasts, most of whom want to upgrade to a full frame but they can't because of the high cost of FF cameras.
I don't think this is FF vs aps-c. Rather this is Korea vs Japan and Korea is winning technologically by innovation.
EthanP99: $2799 for a kit...
You can buy the Sony A77 II kit for $1000 less
Nice pricing, Samsung
that body will come down in price quickly by about 400-500.
Its the very expensive lens 16-50 2-2.8 which is making most of the big price difference, over the equivalent sony offering. However you can also use that lens on any samsung smart camera which may make ii worth it.
However if you get the zeiss lenses with the sony you will be right up there price wise...
So I guess the question would be are the samsung lenses as good or better than Zeiss? Time will tell I guess
sportyaccordy: Impressive effort indeed.
But for $1400 for the body alone, I'm not quite sure. $300 more nets you an A7 body, which has a weaker lens map, but proven FF grade IQ. Unless BSI tech enables APS-C sensors to reach conventional contemporary FF levels of performance, I'm not quite sure. Hopefully DxOMark gets its hands on it soon, and answers all these questions....
High-end aps-c Cameras always introduce at that price level, they always come down by 500 quite fast...
Actually its their quite pricey prime lenses that are giving me more food for thought
nerd2: Samsung just announced its true monster flagship NX1 today - it has 28MP BSI APS-C sensor (should easily equal 24MP FF without BSI), 205 point PDAF + 15.6fps continuous shooting with focus tracking, 4K/UHD video support and direct hdmi out. Oh it has tilting screen and wifi too. And matching 16-50 2.0-2.8 IS lens too.
I call this true innovation. What are you doing nikon?
I totally agree with what nerd2 wrote above, this is the kind of true innovation that I have been waiting to see in the enthusiast camera space. The BSI 28MP aps-c sensor is a huge innovation just by itself. Including the rest of the specs for that introductory price, I think its going to be a killer product.
The Lenses look ok to me too, I think Sigma Tamron, Tokina need to jump on quickly...
This is still NOT going to make me buy Nikons grossly overpriced FF - Lenses (aka holy trinity). The very least I would have expected is in-Body stabilization, so that older FF Glass can work stabilized, however even Nikons current Glass is not stabilized on FF.
Other than that, DSLR is getting really old, there are tons of missing state-of-the-art features. Also Nikon has discontinued their capture nx2 software and are not saying a word about jpeg quality or addtional in-camera processing options.
Overall I will be looking into other options. Sony A58 can be had for a fraction of the price (like 370€) has in-body stabilization and excellent jpeg quality with very many processing and shooting options. It also supports a wagon-load of very good lenses at reasonable prices all of that at a very high-quality 20MP.
I think Nikon is very confused about their technology and product line-up, they look desperate to me, with no coherent & future proof strategy going forward.
Jan_Shim: Such a shame Paintshop Pro doesn't play nice with Nik plugins. Nik has confirmed in writing that all new releases are no longer compatible with PSP. I use Nik and Topaz plugins and in order to continue them for compatibility reasons, I am running PSP X6 32-bit as my main photo editor. I have tested both 32 and 64-bit version of PSP X6 and found no performance difference between the two.
IF it supports the NIK collection then I'll buy it. Is there some way that I can test this out before I buy?
What is stopping Google and Corel from anouncing a formal integration of those two products?
Stephan Def: Why would anyone want to use pics.io? Darktable is a very advanced raw editor and converter that can be downloaded and used totally for free.
So what compelling reason would there be to use a cloud based raw converter which is just in its infancy with all kinds of missing functionality?
Google and Darktable should do an integration so that the NIK Collection can be used together with Darktable. That would be the ultimate Killer Application.
OK, so maybe a use case would be if I am traveling and don't want to carry a notebook with me. But then 15GB is not very much storage space, especially not for big raw files. Flickr comes to mind with their 1TB offer of free storage space.
Overall though I think I would go for a Camera that delivers excellent jpeg output and minimizes the need for raw processing, especially if I am just a casual consumer without the need for professional options of raw PP.
Why would anyone want to use pics.io? Darktable is a very advanced raw editor and converter that can be downloaded and used totally for free.
The Video is not working from Vimeo, it does not even start to run. Thats nothing to Wow about for me.
waiting for some hard data.
berbmit: An amateur's experience constrained by a price-point:
After my D5100 and all lens was stolen I had the chance for a clean start. The X-T1 became the replacement kit; body and three lens graciously payed for by insurance. It was a hard call to move away from the familiar Nikon range, but after a week I'm convinced that I have a whole lot more camera for the replacement price than I could have got with a Nikon!
In particular, I am amazed at the improved quality (subjectively speaking) compared to my old Nikon RAW (using Lightzone/DCRAW under Linux) ... the difference is immediate to my eye.
The handling is really nice; more compact without feeling too small, solid to hold, great build quality. The EVF in low light was a surprise ... as if I was using night vision goggles ... fantastic for composing a low light image.
I'm still getting used to the idea I bought non-Nikon, at this point I am having no buyer regrets and would not trade back to a Nikon price-parity equivalent.
Guess I was thinking of other lenses. IMO the 35 1.4 does not make a lot of sense if you have the 18-55 2.8 kit lens.
The XF55-200mm F3.5-4.8 R LM OIS is in the same league as the Nikon 55-200 VR which sells for 150€ NEW. I am pretty sure that the equivalent Fujinon is not worth 700€. But there appears to be no alternativ from Fujifilm.
I was thinking of the Fujinon 55 1.2 for 999 €and the fujinon 10-24 4.0 for 999 € ... and then I think you also need to purchase a flash.
A new D5100 with the sigma 17-70 2.8, 35 1,8 or 50 1.4 and the 55-200 VR will set you back roughly 1000€. If you get the new D5300 add another 300€ which brings you in at 1300€ NEW with stellar image quality at 24MP.
Hard to top I would say.
I'd really love to believe your story, but when I do the math it dosen't even come close.
The new Fuji xt1 with 3 Lenses will set you back roughly 4000 €.
The D5100 with three standard lenses would not even come close. Unless you were using the most high-end Nikon lenses, which is not likely with a D5100.
But I could be wrong and there is some missing piece of information which will make it all add up.
Its certainly a nice little Camera. However for me the price point is too high. Overall I think the lenses need to come down in price by 30%, the reasoning I have for this is because the Sigma 18-35 1.8 is at 700€ and that is a reference Lens to me. The Camera itself will come down in price anyway over time, but I do not see myself spending that kind of money for Lenses that other Vendors have priced more reasonably.
Donnie G: Nikon's corporate bean counters are showing us how to turn cost cutting into a "death by a thousand cuts". If Nikon doesn't find a partner outside of the camera business to merge with soon, then they may not survive long term after all. Apple or Google might be interested in acquiring a camera company, and Nikon would be a good fit for either one of them. Well, that's my best guess anyhow.
I've been thinking exactly the same thing, that Nikon will not be able to survive as an independent Company. Sony would be another Contender, but there is probably already too much overlap and the lense mounts are not compatible.
However there is another issue smoldering under the surface, and it smells like something very unsound, not sure if corruption is the right word for it.