Phew, that was a hefty read. But very informative that's for sure. Thanks dpr and especially Rishi.
I knew about red eye correction, but nose reduction?! ;)
marc petzold: bad humor, guys...you can do it quite better...can you?
2016 edition will showcase Marc cut in half ;)
ljmac: And this is why full frame mirrorless is utterly pointless - the lenses still have to be huge.
Uhh mirror, i meant.
Size is just one aspect of mirrorless camera bodies. Then there is less moving parts, less shutter slap, near endless viewfinder options like live histogram, focus peaking, instant b&w viewing. In short, mirrorless opens possibilities not accessible to slr tech.
Kodak jumped into digital like Canon is jumping into mirrorless...
PixelMover: Canon 5DSRA coming in 5... 4... 3...
5... 4... 3... years?
RichRMA: Problems:1. Difference between this an 36-40mp is minimal and won't show in print very much.2. Canon sensors are still weak at high ISO.3. It costs more than a D810 Nikon.
Now, if Nikon or Sony were to release a 100mp low-ISO camera, THAT would be interesting. It would have noise levels similar to m4/3 (which is fine up to 1600) and fantastic resolution. Of course, you'd probably need Zeiss OTUS lenses to get the most from it.
People hardly ever print big. But i think the bigger point behind high mp camera's is that display's get increasingly higher resolutions.
8K is already there which equals to more then 33mp for 100% screen coverage.
I'm pretty sure that in the not to distant future i'll be viewing my photo's on a screen like that. Having 36 mp now will be relevant for my photo viewing experience in some years from now...
ozturert: It will sell like hot cakes. Some people who say "DR is bad" have no idea what DR is. In a normal print or on a regular IPS monitor, it's extremely difficult if not impossible to see the difference in DR between 5DMarkIII and D800. You need to apply +3EV or more to both RAWs or brighten shadows a lot to see the difference.Canon's 5DMarkIII, 7D MII and 1D's are very intuitive and simple to use. Menus are logical, buttons are well placed, operation is smooth, bodies are solid, AF systems are one of the best, just like D810 and D4s are.Get 5DsR, some primes, 11-24mm f4, 24-70mm f2.8LII, 70-200mm f2.8 L IS II, and you wil get excellent 50MP files and this set is much more mobile than medium formats. Now try to find an equivalent set in medium format. Although Hasselblad would give you better files, the difference would not be huge when you attach an Otus to 5DsR. Or mount a Sigma 50mm f1.4 A and be done.Before jumping and screaming, note that I say "medium format files would be better".
"Can you guys show me 2 photos (without applying any + or - EV) of 5DMarkIII and D800, in which D800 would show its "incredible" DR advantage?"
No, just like i can't show you the difference in top speed between a Porche and a Volkswagen by both letting them drive 60km/h.
Point taken :)
mariuss: This is not a landscape camera! We, the landscapers, are not stupid. Megapixel is nice, but we were waiting for more DR! Its easier to made a panorama from 5 single shots, as 3x3(3 for HDR) shots because of lack of DR. Same Dynamic Range as 5D Mark 3. According to DXO, 5D3 has even less DR as 5D2! In other words, this 5DS(r), has less DR as a 6 years old Canon(!) camera. And this should be a landscape camera?! ... no way!Through this 5DS, the sony a7r and nikon d810 are shining like never before!
Invented and intended to compensate the lack of DR that sensors had once upon a time ;)
When is a shot a regular one? When it answers to 2007 sensor physics?
Today if I take a photo of a person standing in a doorpost in front of his sunny garden with nice puffy clouds on the background i can meter for the clouds and lift the person in postp. resulting in a nice and balanced, realistic looking and noise free photograph. The way my eye's perceived that scene. As regular is it gets...
"In a normal print or on a regular IPS monitor, it's extremely difficult if not impossible to see the difference in DR between 5DMarkIII and D800. You need to apply +3EV or more to both RAWs or brighten shadows a lot to see the difference."
Being able to apply +3ev with the D800 without paying the noise penalty vs. not being able to do so with the 5DIII is the whole idea behind this better dynamic range thing.
Bill Claybrook: I have a Canon 7D Mark II and a 5D Mark III. One is 20 megapixel and one 22+ megapixel. I used the Mark III for landscape. I will not buy either of the two new Canons because you do not need the 50 megapixels for landscape. If you need larger images (pixel count) just spend $79 and buy OnOne's Perfect Resize. You can get the high resolution that you think that you need. I double and triple the resolution all the time and you can't tell that the images are resized --- the color is not disturbed at all. If I then want to crop, I do it.
You can add the impression of more detail to a photo yes, but by that rationale you can add the impression of more detail to a photo with more detail to begin with resulting in a photo with more detail with the impression of more detail than the photo with only the impression of more detail...
*walking to kitchen for new glass of wine
I like how the end result acts as a metaphor for the transition from mirror to non-mirrored camera's... Don't know if 2015 will be the tipping point, but it'll happen some day that's for sure.
joe6pack: The list look fine to me. But A7 II rated best? How many readers actually touched the camera? Let alone trying or owning?
I gave one of my votes to the A7II simply because it exists. Pushing the envelope the way Sony does deserves at least that much i think :)
larrytusaz: McDonald's sells more hamburgers than the local place which makes fresh hamburgers, but that hardly means that McDonald's hamburgers are better. It just means some people are either lazy, in a hurry, or have no taste.
This tells something about Flickr instead of Apple or Nikon... The site that used to be a nice place where photographers would gather and shared their work and thoughts is now more like a dumping ground for smartphone snaps.
sebastian huvenaars: Ah flickr, the site that used to harbor photographers... Most of my flickr friends have left the scene by now, maybe i should do the same. Hardly ever visit that train wreck...
None, hardly ever share photo's anymore. It's a shame perhaps, but that's what it is... Tried some other sites but missed the community aspect there.
Flickr brought me a lot of fun in photography but also took some away.