Narupol: The designer try to say "Cameras are only a grip of lense" ...
hey, thats my line... which is why I'd design a tubular camera with hand and finger shaped indentations :D
Tape5: Now someone has to play the matchmaker and get Sony to ask iOS out for a date. We could all Call their firt baby Appleony.
eww disgusting... iOS, locked down and limited functionality to enable the intellectually challenged.
Sony would be interested! They LOVE locked down...
Seriously, I don't mind manufacturers offering a 'limited functionality' mode for the simple minded, but don't make it the ONLY mode. Otherwise, I will prefer Android with its greater capability.
Someone can always design a top level interface with reduced function and complexity, but that should never be all there is.
dylanbarnhart: The new generation of kids today, growing up owning a smartphone since elementary school, does not know how to use a camera/DSLR. These kids only know how to use smart phones. When it's time to buy a real camera, they will more likely buy an Android/iPhone based camera.
A typical camera today is so cryptic and intimidating for such kids. If you give them a conventional camera, they will be asking:
. Why swiping/pinch/zoom don't work [use the buttons outside of the screen]. Why so many buttons? [each button does one thing, sometimes 2 or 3]. How do I save my photos to the cloud? [uh, nope you can't]. How do I share it with my friends on facebook? [uh, nope you can't]. How do I see my friend's comments on the picture [uh, nope you can't]. What is that hole on the top of the camera for? [for seeing through the lens]. How do I get an XYZ effect app? [uh, apps don't work] Seriously?. Why call shutter Tv and aperture Av? [because the full name is too long for the button size]
I think smart phones / cameras will eventually merge into a sort of "tricorder" device, that can record / detect anything, depending on what modules you pick, process the resulting data, and send it wherever you wish.
A ubiquitous operating system is the enabler for everything else in this merging.
Samsung might as well start now.
migus: Samsung is an unique position to merge their smartphone/tablet leadership (likely #2 after Apple) w/ their still fledgling photo division. Sony would be the other, though they aren't an Android shop.
As per battery life, indeed Apple's iOS outshines the rest. But that's mostly owing to the poor implementations of most android devices, failing to enter into the deep sleep cycles and turn off the chips and parts not currently in use, e.g., LTE or WiFi radios, GPS, sensors etc. Sloppy jobs we sometimes bestow upon our markets ;-)
Sony isn't an Android shop? Unlike Samsung, who also makes Windphones and Bada phones, all of Sony's smartphones are based on Android.
Certainly, programmability would help the Nex-5N's cludgy menu. It would take less than a month and someone would have fixed that interface to perfectly interact with the camera's hardware controls.
Of course, you can assume Samsung is "investigating" this for the purpose of instant upload from camera to online foto portals and print shops.
Other apps might be considered incidental, but you can't underestimate how much value 3rd party developers can add to a manufacturer's product.
Some good ideas here, great specs, but I can't help commenting on some poor case design choices:
1) for all the room on this big camera case, most of it is wasted blank space. Much better to have more dials if it has to be so big.
2) no articulating screen... seriously?
3) no little rubberized nook for your right thumb to help hold this hefty device, while your left hand is twiddling with the lens?
4) Overall design looks like the designer was more enamored with his idea for some arbitrary architectural form, rather than the natural beauty of optimized functionality in case design.
5) Modular approach to the K-mount would have been better. Just have the K-mount stick out of a slimmer body and be replaceable with a special pancake lens for traveling light.
hope they changed more than cosmetics, specifically, making you not dig down in the menus for constantly used functions that can be done instantly in other software.
The long Abandoned Picture Publisher software may not have been better, but it sure was always speedier.
I only go into Photoshop for major operations, cause for most things, its too cumbersome and slow to load.
But then, I generally feel Adobe UI's are backwards and counter-intuitive, with the exception of Go-Life, which interface they ended up axing for the horrible Dreamweaver interface they bought from Macromedia.
saimran: Nokia 808 PureView with 41 MP camera:- Smartphone Nokia PureView with 41-megapixel camera (effective resolution – 38 M) was one of the highlights of the exhibition Mobile World Congress 2012 in Barcelona. In spring 2005, Nokia released N93 smartphone with a unique 3-megapixel camera and 3x optical zoom and, according to Damian Dinning (Damian Dinning), a specialist in the department of photographs from Nokia Smart Devices, continued experiments on the use of optical zoom in their devices. The company has created a number of concepts that were never put into commercial products, they used different configurations of cameras and the physical form factors, some traditional and some quite unusual.The development of smartphones in the direction of increasing the screen size negated many of these developments. http://mobile-latest.com/2012/03/11/nokia-808-pureview-41-megapixel-super-camera-inspired-by-satellite-technology.html
Nokia's camera department seems to be their only hope to avoid becoming Microsoft's Foxconn...
So, stay tuned for Elop axing that soon
learnerguy: Better to launch iPod/iPhone App too...
nah, boycott stinky Apple
flappleton: This goes with Nikon's refusal to service in Canada a D80 bought in the US. This was shortly after the D80 was released. Not only would they not honour the warrantee in Canada (which I kinda understand), they refused to fix the camera for payment (this I could not understand and I still do not). With this latest Nikon announcement, you may have a broken Nikon and no way to get it repaired. Bah
This would mean the end even for the second hand Nikon market across country borders.
Thats the way Software makers are trying to go, with all that direct download software, that has no media and can't be resold, when you're done with it.
I haven't been impressed with any of Nikon's recent moves. Company becoming too dishonest.
bobbarber: @ J2GPhoto, I agree with you, but you forgot to figure in the cost of the full-frame lenses, which are much more expensive than four thirds lenses. So the total cost of the FF system compared to 4/3 is even higher than you make it appear.
@ Anastigmat, FF iis not better than m43 for most uses. Most people print at 8x10. m43 makes just as good prints as FF at 8x10 under most lighting conditions. It's like the Ferrari argument that alxdava makes. Who cares that your Ferarri does 200 km/hr if you spend all of your time driving where the speed limit is 50 km/hr? And who cares that your FF has clean ISO 12,800, if you rarely shoot over ISO 1600, which describes a lot of us?
well, if on some new camera ISO 12,800 is really clean, people will use it that previously didn't.
Shooting stuff at candle light without destroying the whole scene with a flash, or simply taking pictures at parties makes better low-light capability a more useful thing that a lot of other so-called 'advances'
njkdo: Ridicolous camera
well, regardless how he spelled it, I'd prefer a new camera that doesn't look like an old 70's crapper from granpa's attic.
Whenever something tries to look like something it isn't, its sort of a lie. Materials and effort have been wasted trying to make it look a certain way, rather than engineering it the best way possible.
for me, just add telephone and skype functionality to the Sony Nex 6, and I'll never look at a smart phone again.
The antenna can't take up that much extra space, and everything else is already present in that camera.
If people laugh while I hold a camera to my ear, I'm not worried about it :)
Panasonic wouldn't want to make a lens like this for Sony's Nex5n, would they?
Should do it just out of compassion for us poor Sony users who have either clunky lenses or a pancake that's not very good :(
thought the comment below about Canon's calibration software was interesting.
Seems like one should ask any camera dealer to include calibration in the sale.
I also wonder if the same sort of calibration software is available to Sony's service centers??
JerseyJohn: We only have to look at the total revolution in the watch industry by the cell phone to see history repeating itself. Is a cell phone a Rolex??? No. But it gets the job done... tells time.Some still look at photography as a method to record a certain time and place. The simplest cell phone can do that.
I think there's a lot of us who like both. But pocket size or budget size produce restrictions.
I'm sure thankful sometimes that my phone has a reasonable camera built in.
Of course, I'd always 'prefer' to whip out that fantastic large sensor camera with expensive glass instead, but alas, that didn't fit in my pocket.
xiod_crlx: what is this article about?to say "yes there are smartphones on the market with cameras???"
some time ago dpreview was a REVIEWING websitewhere some cameras WERE TESTED and I wouldn't hesitate to say COMPARED...
An article with photo comparison of modern smartphones and cheap\inexpensive (100-200$) cameras is more than welcome
was wondering the same thing... I had more elaborate thoughts on the subject, just on my way to falling asleep on some evenings.
Just when I thought we might be getting to the beef of the subject soon, the article was over...
tkbslc: Going really wide for the only prime to start your system seems pretty silly. That's what Sony did, too. Why? Most people consider that far too wide for general purpose. 27mm is not much better. They should have started with a 35 - 50mm equivalent which are much closer to general purpose lenses.
fmian: "The new system offers a lens for every occasion."
Where is the ultra wide (4-13mm anyone?)Where is the long macro?Where is the fast prime?
all covered by that super bright kit zoom
dunno what you're complaining about.
Andy Crowe: Why was Samsung the only company to launch a mirrorless system with a fast normal pancake? They really should be obligatory.
Nice to have a portrait lens announced early in the lineup, but where's the fast normal prime? At least Panasonic had one on their roadmap from the start.
A smaller sensor needs fast lenses more than anything, at least with the sensor crop pretty much identical to a 16mm movie frame you can use c-mount lenses with no vignetting, at least if Nikon have made their flange distance shallow enough.
I so agree with you...
The normal pancake is the only thing that kept Samsung on my list, though I couldn't buy for various other reasons :(
Smart move, and very surprising Sony/Panasonic didn't get it.
dasilvamedia: Didn't Nikon realized that it actually has to be better than a Panasonic or a Sony?This is fun! All the post Ive seen where not in the advantage of Nikon. Made my day!
again someone talks of "Clone", as if the only way to use some "standard" sensor size would automatically mean a clone... I guess that makes all DSLR cameras clones of each other?
So, by your logic, if I have a car company, and I don't want to make a clone of all the other successful car models, I'll just build the same thing but with really small wheels, so nobody can say its a clone of cars using 17" wheels. My tiny-wheeled car will go great on smooth roads, but don't go near any potholes :P
The whole "clone" concept is ridiculous with respect to cameras, they all do the same thing in the same way. Yes, variations on the theme make great difference to usability and picture quality, but if Apple had designed the original shape of the DSLR, it could have sued them all out of business over "trade dress" imitation, thats how alike they all look. Wasn't enough for Samsung to have their buttons in different places either ;-)