Previous model Z2 and Z3 phones already did not use glass.
Maybe the new plastic looks less convincingly like glass, but that's not new.
User1192886920: I want to use the 7series with super telephoto lenses that do not have inbuilt stabilisation. When using third party lenses does the sensor stabilisation still work? In other words does the 5 axis sendor stabilisation work independently of the lens?Will the new 7II be the same? Do any other dslrs with sensor stabilisation work with manual lenses?
The games always start when an unholy alliance of bean counters and marketing types have taken over control from the engineers.
That's the point one wants to look for some company that hasn't reached that stage, but in an old market, there usually isn't one.
I got wishes for virtual lenses in my mind, sensors that use quantum mechanics to catch more light on a square millimeter than today's full frame sensors do. I want to stick the resulting camera to a pair of shades with a hud display. To take a picture, I want to just have to blink my left eye.
So, bean counters of this world, please go forth and do something more useful, like killing the corrupt world wide central banking cartel, eliminate the fraudulent fractional-reserve debt-money system or some other universally useful goal.
ebay is something of an equalizer for switching - at least you can get like two thirds of your money back. Sometimes even three quarters...
You're right about open lens standards, that would rule.But not so much in the interest of Manufacturers:- Lenses are part of the lock-in, so you don't just buy whatever camera has the best specs that year.- if you do switch for any reason, it becomes real profitable for the lucky company you picked.- It would require some large economic block making a law, like they did with USB chargers in the EU.- Another thing manufacturers won't like about standard lenses is the fact, that there would be very strong competition for every possible type of lens. Prices would drop, even on high quality lenses. That could actually be enough to force a shake-out among manufacturers, that risk already exists as it is.
So the further question is, if this would be a long term benefit to camera users or just a short term benefit, soon leading to less variety and less innovation overall.
I have no crystal ball for that, but the thought makes me not mind so much putting up with the status quo.
No matter what article I read on the A7 series, great sensor, great form factor, but an infinite number of potholes in UI, processing, AF etc.
I find that is all unacceptable for the price. You're basically buying an awesome sensor tied with rope to a leaky raft.
Just the fact that a 2 year old a6000 still trounces the A7 II and A7S II, less so the A7R II in a score of useful features including a snappy AF capable of reliably tracking moving objects should tell you there's something gone wrong.
A7S II: Awesome low light capable full frame camera built with video in mind, but can't track anything in any light.
A7 II: Full Frame camera with worse low light capability than an ancient Nex 5n.
Well, maybe the A7 mark 3 versions will get decent AF and reach up to the quality of life features and other amenities of an RX100 IV.
I would like to buy one now, but I don't want to buy a $3k camera multiple times till Sony gets it right.Hopefully won't have to wait till mk IV..
No, the camera stabilizes any lens...
The lens doesn't need to take any part in the IBIS stabilization.
A lens that does sport some kind of stabilization can be integrated into the camera's IBIS but its not required.
AB8ND: Apparently one can not vote if using an iMac. Vote button stays grayed out
They just don't want Apple users to muck up the votes. ;-)
N13L5: The camera is too ugly, but the lens sure is nice...
Interesting takes... coming here a second time cause of the notifications, it doesn't look as offensive to me as it must have the first time I read the review ;-)
I guess I like pretty pictures and a pretty camera too if possible. Now if the ugly camera takes the better pictures, I will just take that...
At the moment, I'm leaning to make an A7s my next purchase. That's not overly pretty either. But full frame for well, not exactly cheap, but also not exorbitant, with a focus on video appeals to me, though a bunch of lenses could get it to exorbitant pretty quick! ;-)
Its been many years since I bought a Canon; just not the right feature mix at the right price points for what I want to do.
But yeah, I normally do like Canon's designs. The whole retro fad just doesn't do it for me. I had those old things and already wasn't particularly enamored with them back then.
utomo99: Nice try sony, I will wait and see RX 100-V. I hope it is better
The back could be exactly such an effective heat sink, fluted aluminum would vent a ton more heat than Glass, which is an insulator.
If anything, you can complain about the engineers' lacking attention to the laws of physics.
Lastly, something you should remember: Those who claim something to be impossible should have a look at some historic claims of impossibility, before they disturb and interrupt the more talented people who are actually trying to do it.
elpardo: I think until apple give more detail on what this product will entail. Or indeed what Adobe will be providing the jury is out.I'm in no way a Camera Pro, but I do a lot of editing with my iPad Air and with LR Mobile I find that doing basic rejection/edits to RAW(via a proxy file and syncing to my Mac Pro) works well as a workflow. I'd like to be bale to do the additional basic edits I do, in LR or via something like Pixelmator or Snapseed without lowering the resolution(Pixelmator now supports this but I cant export from LR mobile without lowering res) If the Pro can do this I will seriously consider it.
Haven't seen that fact mentioned by any of the pundits that otherwise blabber about this product endlessly...
Certainly answers the question mark that was in my mind about it.
I read this review and liked what I saw...Started thinking of upgrading my Nex 5n body, since I already have three 'E' lenses, including the 50mm portrait lens, which I rather like.
But so, at the end of the review, I added the Nex5n to the comparison, and the comparison is rather mixed...
Especially the low light performance seems to have taken a hit!
Unless there's some technicality, that makes these comparisons not really work...
I really can't understand how a much further developed sensor of the same size could have significantly worse low light performance???
Anyone have an opinion on that?
The camera is too ugly, but the lens sure is nice...
Klaus Weber: Full review of the 2 months old G5 X. Still only preview of the 10 months old 5DS(R). Wow.
Some things are more important to the manufacturers than others...
Well, mucking about with quantum dots is cool anyway.
So what it was 9 years - some stuff seems to be difficult to do.
I wouldn't be surprised if the devil is in more than a few details on projects like this.
But so what if you're not impressed. So what if it even turns out a flop for camera phones, maybe its perfectly usable to create a Tricorder instead.
Making an amateur movie as a demo was probably not the best choice. Shooting footage in varied locations and lighting with someone from the company narrating why shots come out the way they do and what's good about them and where they still working on it would have made more sense.
TheOhioan: iPad Pro is going to become the go to image editor for photographers.
I doubt the first gen gets it done. But second gen.... Good bye laptops. The future is bright for this thing. Sure, as mentioned, there is not a lot of software presently. The original iPad was thin on apps when it hit the market. Ipad changed everything. In fact who commonly used the word "apps" before iPad? Soon there will be plenty of photo editing/processing tools for iPad Pro. And when they become available it will rule the market. Good bye beefy laptops. Hello light weight freedom! This with a mirrorless camera and a person is set.
Love it or hate it the replacement for laptops is here.
The article failed to mention that Apple was targeting this as a computer peripheral for editing, according to a user comment.
So its anybody's guess which directions any following generations might take.
falconeyes: This article completely missed the point of its headline.iPad Pro for photo editing is all about its use as a serious graphics tablet, used in conjunction with PS on the desktop. The article knows nothing about that though ...
I was wondering why there was no word on that.
Well, we'll see how much of a headache it gives Wacom.
Wacom is kinda slow with inventing / updating things, yet they are very good.
If this spurs Wacom's product development out of its apparent slumber, it will be a boon to everybody.
Starlight100: Samsung note pro 12.2 will remain a better tablet. Why? That ridiculous pen on the Apple pro is way too large. It costs a bomb and it constantly needs charging. I don't want to draw pretty pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!! What planet have Apple gone too?Steve! If you are up there looking down, please can you help!I'm a decent customer of yours, ( 3 I pads and 3 iPhones). currently got iPhone 6 plus. But when Samung came out with an amazing multi screen tablet a few years ago so I switched. I gave away my ipad for a Samsung note. Last year I bought Samsung note pro 12.2. You can't beat it. The fact that Apple have launched a pro with out a practical pen for business users is a huge disappointed. I'm sure years later it still won't have the great features of a Samsung note either. If you don't believe me just check one out. So many advanced features like a movable dual screen have been enjoyed for years now. Tablets are a much serious matter and they clearly are taking business users seriously.
Your Steve is looking for a new body to inhabit. Don't distract or bother him, please.
wansai: For light editing, sure. For on-the-spot editing, sure.
The main problem is one of workflow though. Then there's the problem of the software. This does not run the adobe suite. It runs the basic mobile apps. You can do some pretty basic things, that's about it.
Get a Surface Pro 3 or 4. That is far more suitable with enough horsepower to do most things a creative can need. I do photo editing, processing, digital art, desktop publishing and graphic design on my surface pro 3.
The surface pros also run full blown adobe suite and in desktop mode, have multitouch trackpad so you can use the suite quite comfortably.
In touch mode, I open photoshop, click 1 button to apply my custom action. Or just set it to batch process. Or just use lightroom if that's more to your workflow.
The ipad pro will be a better illustration tool than a photo editor's tool. It's fundamentally no different from an ipad.
@ Stu 5
So you're going to buy this tablet and then hold your breath for what Adobe comes up with eventually?
All I can say is, wait for the software first...
I don't know the CPU, but 4GB RAM would be an issue for large RAW files.
Michael Ma: I'm sure a hipster will find some unique way to use it where it works better within a very specific context that kinda dilutes the fact that the iPad Pro is worse for everything else.
Now that may well happen.
Did Apple make any statement that they wish to return to catering to creative people, or is this just a me-too product for other "pro" tablets, which are just as consumer oriented as anything, just with a few extra perks to extract a better margin.