DJohnny: This looks like a large iPad to me... Wouldn't a Surface Pro 3/4 be much better suited than this? Or Wacom Cintiq? Or anything else running Windows OS?
Well, something with enough RAM.
What OS you want on it would depend on your favorite image mangler software.
4GB of RAM for editing large RAW files? Good luck...
13" display, look forward to zooming in and out a lot, while the system is choked with insufficient RAM. Nice recipe for your app freezing and crashing a lot.
Maybe it would work as a peripheral
Decisions, decisions.... Fly to Taiwan to get a phone?
I got an Xperia Z2 last year ...now I don't even carry the Nex5 anymore, its mounted on an arm at the house, functioning as an excellent document scanner replacement. The portrait lens takes such excellent shots of A4 paper at ~50cm.
At least its not just collecting dust, right?
AmateurSnaps: To compare the size of this camera to the Sony RX cameras should they have both cameras turned on their side? Really that was intentional, who knew. Every cheap half arsed marketing gimmick has been used to promote this thing!
Also had a look at my wife's iphone and the port that this plugs into looks like it won't hold up to much abuse.
Great idea but a few problems to sort out before it comes near to replacing a quality compact camera. That includes the daft price!
Yeah, the hyperbole is thick with this one.
Having two devices awkwardly cobbled together with a cable is just a disaster waiting to happen.
And it should connect to Android phones so people don't have to be stuck with a crummy iPhone with that turd of a restrictive OS.
Someone wasted months or years on a pet peeve...?
Surely, nobody would buy that:
Woman: "Oh honey, take some pictures of the kids here!"
After a bunch of fumbling...."Oh duh, why won't this freaky camera work?"
N13L5: Not one picture of the camera with the lens retracted?
Or does the lens always stick out that far?
thanks for the link! never seen / used that site before...
Either way, I think any camera review should include such a picture. They sure got more than enough pictures with fully erect lens...
Maybe that's considered sexy ^^
Samuel Dilworth: Sony’s big leap of faith with the original RX100 was charging $600 for a compact camera. Turns out half the planet was happy to pay that as long as the technology (thitherto unimagined miniaturisation) was there.
With the RX100 III and now RX100 IV, Sony is exploring the limits of pricing, again supported by technological innovation. It will be fascinating to see how this pans out.
Now, should I get a steeply priced Z5 or RX100 IV after IFA?
I need a new phone cause my last one died to overheating.I need a new camera cause my Nex5 stays at home too much.
ncsakany: Worth every penny. I am supper happy with mine, and find it much improved over the III which I also owned.
If you sold your III, how much did you still get for it?
onlooker: Looks like the fanboy brigade in out in force standing guard in case anyone dare criticize it in the slightest. They will immediately ridicule you with unfunny sarcasm, parabolic exaggerations, and tell you what you REALLY think.
If you look at my posts, you'll know I'm no fan of Sony or any corporation. They're all out to take advantage of people as much as they can.
But you can't deny Sony has some first class engineers who are doing their best to push the envelope. With luck, the rest of the outfit doesn't interfere too much and we get a good camera out of it.
If you don't like a particular company or product, it doesn't bother me one bit, but you're maligning other forum members whie failing to make any real point or quote any punch line.
Sveinnol: I took this cool video of a salmon jump up a waterfall in Nordura in Iceland, recorded at 25p / 50M 1000fps (40 times slower). It demostrates the usefullness of the "end trigger" option when taking slow-mo. When you have seen somthing happening you trigger the end of the clip rather than when to start.
No editing, taken in rather low light conditions with maximum optical zoom on the Sony RX100 IV
haha awesome! thanks for the link!
At first I was wondering if he'd actually get all the way up...
Is there a way to tell that camera to save what it had so far and continue right on taping?
Photato: A pocket full of Imaging Power no doubtFor those that don't need Video there are plenty of better, cheaper options out there.Personally I need Video as much as Stills but will only pay $1000 if it had a honest to goodness 8MP 1" sensor like Canon C100 or even 12MP like the A7S.Sony, let me know when you make a 1" Based Camera with large Pixels, then I'll bite
The stacked CMOS design is sometihng of an equivalent for larger pixels.
More than one way to skin a cat.
Not saying that Sony met your criteria with this, just saying that larger pixels aren't the only option now and more advances will come that provide the same benefit.
Smartphones driving miniaturization result in a variety of benefits not merely related to equipment size.
Some number of years down the line, a smart phone with a tiny sensor will out-do this camera in low light, as sure as an owl can see at night what we can't.
Laminated: Does NOTfitinyour pocket.
I'd like DPR to post a pic of it shoved into someone's jeans.
But they make like 100,000 different camera bags..
Why can't anybody make some camera jeans??
I'd much like that too!Even just a picture with the lens fully retracted would be helpful.
I like your handle...
Refutance is systile, you will be laminated!
Average User: For me, ater three weeks, thiis is both a great camera and a wonderful toy. It's a project learning to use all the capabilities...the slow motion of my 4 year old learning to eat spaghetti including the ambient flying drops of spaghetti sauce, was really fun. Since events like this usually happen in less than great light, the fast lens is quite useful. The 4k video of my wife's hula dancing is also cool, but not practical for sharing broadly, yet. For everyday shooting as opposed to more artistic efforts, I actually prefer the greater DOF of this smaller camera to a ff. I am happy that Panasonic, Canon, Fuji, Olympus (have I left any out) are also producing great cameras with emphasis on other sometimes better features ... And I am happy for people to point out what they consider to be superior features... But no need to bash.
Taking ever better pictures while figuring out the puzzles the camera has to offer...
Worthwhile past time.
You get a utility item and a game in one ^^
Geir Ove: No GPS, no buy. Why do we have LightRoom etc with Map capabilities when very few "high end" cameras have GPS? Yes, I know, I can mess with synching with my Phone, but its cumbersome and often fails for some reason or another...
For me, its the opposite:
If there's a GPS adding weight and reducing battery life, NO BUY.
I already have a GPS always with me, and frankly, I don't give a hoot about precise location on pictures.
Gesture: What happens when you carry it in a pocket and dust/sweat/humidity causes an issue. WHAT IS WARRANTY-SERVICE response? How durable are these modern $1K marvels proving.
- Sony has no international warranty as I just found out. If its broke, you need to fly back home first.
- Its not sealed, but even if it was, they'd find a way to call it your fault and stiff you.
- I wouldn't dare buy one without 3rd party warranty and accidental damage protection. (which is something I normally scoff at as a 'ripoff')
Neodp: Summary: Sony is really making better; but still inferior enough to question a pocket camera in the first place.
Can we not build a m43 or better APS-C based high quality fixed lens pocket cam that's also affordable?
Are we so tele stupid; to see we best use our feet more with pocket cams? How about a 85mm eqiv (50mm on APS-C, 45mm on m43) fast PRIME with cheap wide-angle (moderately) lens cover? What can't you do with that.
Isn't one better off with an SL1 and 40mm STM right now? It's not that much bigger. (But granted why doesn't Canon make those better in mirror-less??)
The problem is a willingness to put real comprehensive (photographic) quality into one manageable and yet affordable camera system. Flash and great video included.
Untill you are no longer willing to *not* pick your disadvantage (big ones) as you pick the camera and it's lens; that you choose to take along with you then they will never make it.
Credit for stepping a tiny bit that way... acknowledged.
I never needed anything beyond 85mm, but I wouldn't generalize about it, because it depends on what you shoot in what situation.
A fixed lens Nex 5...just wouldn't shrink enough from the size it already is. Just for a more optimized lens with better glass alone, I don't know if it would pay off for Sony or its customers.
Olympus did a pretty good fixed lens m43 once, didn't they?
coody: Over scored. It is not that much better. It is only a little improvement from the Mark III. The 4k video is only 5 minutes but costs $1000. Not worth of it.
I wish a little bit of this filters down into Sony's new smart phones at IFA.
(which might be Sony's only way out of eventually having to give up on making phones)
nick101: I'm struck by the issue of the number of features vs the user interface for managing them. I wish some manufacturers (Sony aren't alone) would recognise that adding to the list of features and options doesn't add value unless we can use them effectively.
It's a shame that such a capable device is sucj a challenge to handle
But I believe this could be solved entirely with a firmware update, if done right.
And possibly, Sony figured 'better to release the camera first and then follow up on interface tweaks'
For us, the problem is, of course, that we don't know and Corporations are never very forthcoming on future plans and would just as soon force us into buying another new model.