Errm...it´s secret LOL
australopithecus: I have a kid with an N8 (he's had it for about a year). Took it to Europe on a skiing holiday and could hardly believe the video footage that this little "phone" produced. I've worked up some shots in PSE and they are excellent.
Once Nokia sort their operating system out (Now that Microsoft is in on the deal) Apple is dead !
I highly doubt that the N8 has stereo mics as it isn´t even mentioned on the Nokia site. And stereo or not, the sound isn´t the best. And yes, mine had an option to enable stabilisation for video - which added more shake to the video instead of removing it.And stills were nothing special. Too much compression. Overall it is a mediocre smartphone.
No hard feelings, but I had the N8 for a test and the video footage is far from "excellent". Rather muffled monaural sound, better disable stabilisation as it adds odd "jumping" to the video and average sharpness. So it seems you never have seen decent video footage froma P&S or cheap video-camera. Both will beat the N8 video performance easily. And so the 808 which also produces video footage that is far from "excellent".
FTW: 400$ ???? for a tube and a small chip. The Nex A adapter with full AF support for Minolta and A lenses is "only" 380$, but, it has the full AF system of the A77, focusing motor for mechanically driven lenses and is a huge piece of technology.The A adapter similar to this one for electronic diaphragm control costs just 190$ for the NEX. So, what gives this adapter any reason to cost 400$. If I consider the price of Canon glass, even used on E-Bay, i better stick to Minolta glass. It is fair priced, is as good and sometimes better than Canon glass. Note that I use mainly ancient Russian Glass from Jupiter and Zorki in m39 mount on the NEX. You get it for peanuts and some is worth a Zeiss or Leica glass anyway. Adapter, yes, but not at 400$, for that price I can buy a fair lens of another brand and a simple 20$ adapter.
Well, as Canon and Sony AF system aren´t compatible to each other the adapter can´t do miracles...Yes, the KoMi adapter seems to be the better option for most users but maybe the Canon adapter is handy for using stabilised L lenses...
Nice idea...but the site is so awfully slow, it feels like it has loaded completely when they take their next photograph in 2017...
This camera is pointless...I don´t see a reason to get one over the competition...- small dedicated lens selection(to be fair a problem other brands also have)- slower than competition(AF, continuos shooting)- no mic input(Sony NEX5N and NEX7 offer this, even cheaper Olympus cameras)- basic movie mode(huge files, low quality)- fixed display
So it´s just a large sensor Ixus on steroids for a ways too high price. This camera looks more like an entry model that should be priced at maximum 400 €/$.
topstuff: All the months, years of waiting.
All of the benefit of not being first, and being able to watch and learn as your competitors go to market before you do.
And then, after all this, the end result is utterly boring and utterly predictable.
There is no innovation here.
Very disappointing. Canon have become very, very conservative and in the long term I think this will hurt them.
You´re right, the camera has nothing to offer the competition doesn´t. It will have the same mediocre movie mode as the Rebel line, no mic-input, slow continous shooting, so I don´t see a reason to pick it up over NEX or even m4/3. Price is ways too high for what´s offered. Canon fails.
Plastek: Well, so now those who waited for Canon mirrorless system know that they should have bought NEX instead.
Pity - huge chance wasted. NEX got by far more features, better bodies, real system with selection of lenses, bodies from very entry level to professional and selection of accessories. Canon got what? 2 lenses 1 body and 1 dedicated flash. Back in the day years ago NEX STARTED with wider selection and more adult system - now it's completely different league, especially because Sony's bayonet is open so anyone can build fully compatible lenses unlike in EOS-M.
I also thought that Canon will become a real competition to NEX and m4/3 but so far it only become a danger to Nikon 1 which was fail ever since release (big bodies, high price, no accessories, and tiny, worthless sensor that you can find in compact point and shoot instead of bothering with mirrorless system) and ever since haven't changed at all (no new lenses, no new bodies, seems to be close to well-deserved death).
Erm, no hard feelings, but I don´t think that NEX can be taken as shining example compared to the Canon system. What lens selection are you talking about, at the moment there are only a mediocre 18-55mm, the overpriced and -sized(and IQ-wise not better than 18-55mm) 18-200mm, 55-200mm, average pancake lens, some so-so 3rd party lenses, nothing I would call a big lens selection. But Sony deciced to make a new mount which is nearyl identical to the old KoMi/Alpha mount but then different.Now Canon made the same mistake. With a normal EF mount the camera would be much better. Now they offer a crippled adapter solution...
Most buyers of these cameras don´t buy additional lenses. I say most of them wouldn´t even notice if the lenses were glued to the cameras...lol.
CCD means it can only shoot 720p? Come on, what are you writing. There were CCD based HD camcorders and even some still cameras with FullHD capability a while ago. Sensor technology has nothing to do with video capability. Panasonic and other companies could build a camera with CCD and FullHD capability, but they don´t want because CMOS is cheaper to produce so they sell CMOS as "newer and better" and put CCD in their budget cams because it´s "old".Some years ago CMOS was only found in cellphones(which shot mediocre quality at this time) and CCD was state of the art.This camera is just a toy. There were better TZ cameras for a cheaper price out but without WiFi. But yeah, now everybody can upload his so important photos and videos instantly to Facebook and Yotube, isn´t that great? LOL
MDwebpro: If only it had RAW capture, a bit faster lens and a hinged LCD display with more pixels, this little Panny might be the perfect pocket camera.
The problem is: It is marketed as budget camera with budget technology. Panasonic wants people with a demand for RAW to buy their LX7.
Lupti: Yawn...Panasonic releases one toy m4/3 cam after another and still no GH2 upgrade in sight. The G5 is more like a G3 MKII, I would say it is the camera the G3 should have been, but they decided to castrate the G3 to avoid that it kills GH2 sales. Or the G5 can be seen as a castrated GH3, it has a high-res screen and FullHD in 50/60p but no mic input option.And still no real lens upgrades. And I guess the cam still has the unpleasant loud shutter noise like it´s predecessors. Panasonic mirrorless cams are around since 2008 and still none with silent shutter. Something that Sonys old DSC R1 as first non-DSLR with large sensor had. LOL
I will not believe it until seeing it in a video.
malcolm82: Does this camera allow you to choose between 50fps and 60fps or are they forcing 50fps on the PAL country users like sony does?No 60fps support is a deal breaker for me.
I believe even the nokia 808 allows you to choose from 24, 25, and 30fps? Hopefully i wont have to buy a cell phone to get 60fps video in this country.
I´m pretty sure they will force PAL users again to 50p. The only chance to have NTSC frame rates will be a hack of the firmware like with GHx, GF1 and G2 - or getting an NTSC camera.At the moment only Canon allows users to chose their framerate in video mode.
Yawn...Panasonic releases one toy m4/3 cam after another and still no GH2 upgrade in sight. The G5 is more like a G3 MKII, I would say it is the camera the G3 should have been, but they decided to castrate the G3 to avoid that it kills GH2 sales. Or the G5 can be seen as a castrated GH3, it has a high-res screen and FullHD in 50/60p but no mic input option.And still no real lens upgrades. And I guess the cam still has the unpleasant loud shutter noise like it´s predecessors. Panasonic mirrorless cams are around since 2008 and still none with silent shutter. Something that Sonys old DSC R1 as first non-DSLR with large sensor had. LOL
ProfHankD: I love the flip-out LCD + EVF, but no orientation sensor? Really? Is that Panasonic's way to avoid the clicking sounds the Sony NEX-5N had?
Orientation sensor is a useless feature, so no real loss.
So what? In my country it is priced around 550 €. For that price I can get a decent stills cam with optical stabilisation and good video capabilities with stereo mic AND a smartphone. Nothing to rave about this video sample, it´s shaky as hell and sound isn´t good, it´s pretty muffled and 128kbps is also nothing special, listen to the drum sound, due to the low bitrate it sounds too clanking for my taste. There are some pocket camcorders with better video and sound for sale.Smartphones are just toys without real value of use, photos and videos aren´t good, surfing the web is uncomfortable, the small screen gives you the experience of mouse cinema when viewing photos and videos and with heavy usage the battery will quickly run out of power.And phoning and writing SMS, I can do this with my 20 € cellphone as well...
Lupti: Please look for another writer than Jeff Keller. I miss the old DPreview reviews that were objective and prosy instead full of gushing praise. I have the TZ25 and it is by no means a good camera. Build quality is bad, and IQ is far from good. Look at the ISO100 samples, you will clearly see that these images look slightly smudgy due to massive NR. And you can´t change NR, sharpness, contrast or anything else in the camera, you only have the choice between standard and "vivid" look(beside Sepia and B/W). Also I think the price premium of the "bigger brother" is it worth as the TZ31 not only has longer zoom, better movie capabilites and GPS(IMHO useless) but also a slightly better IQ, however as the TZ31 also hasn´t the best IQ I would rather recommend looking for remaining stock of TZ10/ZS7 as this camera has MUCH better build quality, better IQ with adjustable settings and no rolling shutter in movie mode.
Superior IQ compared to ZS20? Strangely my observations are different. I have both cameras(got them free for testing) and the ZS20 is clearly better. And there are better cameras from the competition. And no hard feelings, but the writing style is too enthusiastic, I prefer DPreviews old writing style. It isn´t even a real DPreview review, it is from another site just with some DPreview details like the chart added. Why that as DPreview has more staff than ever?
Please look for another writer than Jeff Keller. I miss the old DPreview reviews that were objective and prosy instead full of gushing praise. I have the TZ25 and it is by no means a good camera. Build quality is bad, and IQ is far from good. Look at the ISO100 samples, you will clearly see that these images look slightly smudgy due to massive NR. And you can´t change NR, sharpness, contrast or anything else in the camera, you only have the choice between standard and "vivid" look(beside Sepia and B/W). Also I think the price premium of the "bigger brother" is it worth as the TZ31 not only has longer zoom, better movie capabilites and GPS(IMHO useless) but also a slightly better IQ, however as the TZ31 also hasn´t the best IQ I would rather recommend looking for remaining stock of TZ10/ZS7 as this camera has MUCH better build quality, better IQ with adjustable settings and no rolling shutter in movie mode.
Jefftan: Do you guys know it cost $1300not so excited any more?
just yesterday I see attack on NEX lens line up, at least no single lens is price at this ridiculous price
At least Panasonic offers such a lens, what does Sony offer? Nothing! Nothing comparable they can take 1300 $ for.
I don´t see why people complain. At first there is whining that there are less reviews than in earlier years, now they published a review and people complain that it is about an "uninteresting camera". No one is forced to read it. See the very first reviews from this site in 1999, they were about compact cameras. Surprise?
Geodesiq: Where is the double blind study showing the increadibleness, wonderfullness and unbelievable superiority of the Leica vs. THE WORLD?
There isn´t one, because when saying images are from a Leica they appear to be sharper and with better colour than others by maaaagic.
Faintandfuzzy: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that 95%+ of the moaners in these comments have a) Never even held a Leica, and b) Never even used a rangefinder from any company, and c) If they ever won the lottery, would go and buy one because they've secretly wanted one for years.
Nope...a) Yes, why should I?b) Why should I?c) If I won the lottery I would rather buy an D800E and some of the best Nikkors available. Ok, or why bother with this, I would get medium format equipment to be consequent...lol.