Errm...it´s secret LOL
jcmarfilph: Why do you have all the time to do review for a crippled camera wannabee like iPhone and then not do a review for superzoom cams that are already out for almost a year now?
That´s because DPreview has lost their nimbus in being the no.1 camera review site some time ago. If you want to read reviews of real cameras without every 2nd article being about a smartphone or other not really photography related devices you have to look elsewhere. There were times when I could check DPreview about most cameras I considered buying but today they review only a minor fraction of them. That´s sad. So I rather look elsewhere. Competition isn´t sleeping, there are a lot of photography review sites that stick to real cameras, doing a lot of reviews that are better than DPreviews ones. One of them is run by only one man who has done more reviews than big DPreview with their team of 14 people. Strange, not?
Peter62: German STIFTUNG WARENTEST (leading independent product test organisation) rated the iPhone 5's _video_ capabilities clearly ABOVE the Nokia 808.
Who cares? Everyone who ever has read one of the camera test from this magazine knows that they have as much clue about cameras as a pig about bicycling.
focalphotography: The main reason any site including most of the UK news media websites do stories about the iPhone is for Google ranking and search engine optimization.
Daily mail is a good example of this doing maybe 2-3 stories about iPhone every week !!
epo001 - it has nothing to do with hate. I don´t care about the Iphone or any other phone regardless which OS is running or how many MP it has. You said it yourself - it´s a phone. Not a camera. But this is a site about digital photography and reviewing dedicated cameras. Not phones capable of taking photos. If one wants infos about a phone(be it popular or not), he should visit a phone site. Period.Only just because it´s "popular" a dedicated photography shouldn´t give phones with cameras too much room. Otherwise it´s quantity rather than quality that counts - and that would be a shame.
Right, this seems to be the only reason why DPreview jumped on the bandwagon and reports every little news about the Iphone like most gadget and tech sites. It just looks like "me too". I rather read really photography related news than having some news report every day about some device that can take photos but isn´t a camera.
Combatmedic870: *Face Palm*
Its just a phone....Just like the 15 other phones that have been released this year. There are better phones with better cameras.
Once one has one of the exmor RS sensors wake me up.
Yes, it is a phone. And that is the problem. It´s not a camera. So if I want to take photos with it I have to buy a device which main purpose isn´t taking photos. Therefore I buy other features like iOs, the possibility to play music, install "apps" and and putting a nano-SIM in it. The problems are: I don´t need the first and don´t have a nano-SIM. So I spent money for a device that has features I don´t need and for that I have to ask my provider for a new SIM. And all this effort for taking photos with it. Ummm...
Oery: I use camera to take pictureI use notebook/PC to do computing workI use audio-player to listen musicandI use phone to..... take a phone call:)
Me too! So it really is annoying that there are so much articles about camera phones on a site about cameras. Really, they could release Iphone 6 or Nokia smartphone with 80MP, I´m not interested. Phones are phones and not cameras. There are photo forums that don´t allow any discussion about cameraphones because they aren´t dedicated photo devices. Wish DPreview would handle it this way, too.
The only thing that interests me about the Iphone 5: Will it blend? LOL
Great! This is what all people with too much money have waited for: A Sony NEX-7 with Hasselblad label and - erm - stylish design. LOLAnd I thought the Porsche Blackberry for 1500 € I saw was overpriced designer crap...
Hm...2013-2014? What about now? Because I want to take photographs now, but for that I need existing equipment, not stuff that could be released in 1-2 years.
Prestidigitator: The camera on this crApple iFruitcake is not worth an article here in DPR. Write an article when the hypePhone finally manages to reach the level of the Nokia N82, Samsung Innov8 or Nokia N8. We can of course forget about it even reaching the level of the mighty Nokia PureView 808 given a decade. Why the iSheep would even line up in front of a store to get this model is really one of the greatest mysteries in the world. Are they too intellectually-challenged to order it online?
Becaue it´s Apple. Apple is so coooool and trendy, and innovative, so Apple evangelists must buy it, otherwise they aren´t trendy and cool anymore and would possibly be ignored by other Apple evangelists. Oh my.
Let´s wait how long it will take until Dpreview is reviewing tablets capable of taking photographs. Sorry, but it seems to me that they are trying to fill up every day with some new articles, no matter which quality. There is another site(I don´t mention the name here, but it´s only run by one man) which still concentrates on real photography, camera reviews and doing a lot more of them rather than reporting something about smartphones. Like old DPreview did...
Why should popularity count? Millions of flies eat what? Same thing.I don´t see that a device being capable of taking pics should have too much room here only because it´s "popular".I´m solely interested in "standalone" cameras, not smartphones with cameras. If I would, I would go to a dedicated smartphone website, not to DPreview.
Craignos: no, you all are boring, below here.Why? Because your mind is stuck to DSLR. Yes, a DSLR can shoot better photos than an iPhone, but tomorrow, these DSLRs might not!I am glad that DPreview investigates the technology behind an iPhone camera, because like others in the industry, Apple has proven that they can innovate and drive the technology past 2.5lbs in your bag!So stop being grumpy, open your eyes and look at what your kids have shot with their phones, it's not ready for fine art, but it's getting there, and pouting it is denying where the world is going to.Good job DPreview!
"no, you all are boring, below here."
Well, then I prefer to be boring rather than praising every new gadget as "innovation"...even if the value of use is questionable.
"...a DSLR can shoot better photos than an iPhone, but tomorrow, these DSLRs might not!"
What tomorrow are you talking about? Year 2150? It is just a question of physical limitations that a DSLR is always better than a smartphone. Big sensor and lens vs. small sensor and flat lens.
"I am glad that DPreview investigates the technology behind an iPhone camera, because like others in the industry, Apple has proven that they can innovate and drive the technology past 2.5lbs in your bag!"
Well, surprise: My Canon S95 and a cellphone aren´t 2,5lbs. So for what do I need an Apple device? To feel cool? Nope.
And for the "iPhone art": I don´t consider snapshots of grinning party people for Facebook as real photography. And I´m sure I´m not the only one.
Lupti: Hmm...Am I the only one who is concerned about the fact that this site gives smartphones with cameras too much room? At first the Nokia Lumia 808, ok, maybe it was a bit understandable because it has 41MP sensor, but now Iphone 5? The site name is "digital photographry review", not "smartphone review". And please don´t tell me what a nice "always-have-with-me"-camera a smartphone is, I don´t have a smartphone and don´t want one for a lot of reasons, ok? -.-
LOL, you´re wrong. I´m not a "grumpy old man", I´m in an age group they permanently try to attract for their technical gadgets, but without success. My cellphone was 20 €, I just use it for what is was originally designed for, and if I lose it or accidently drop it on the ground, I don´t have lost or smashed 700 € or what these devices cost...and despite all the praise their camera performance is still ways behind this of P&S.There are still people that consider photography as serious activity, not just snapping something with a smartphone.
brdeveloper, yes, maybe they changed street photography(which I´m not into), but my main problem with N8 and 808 is, that if I want the camera, I have to buy the phone which I don´t want. Same thing with the iPhone, why should I care about it if I don´t want the phone part of this device?If I want a device for always having with me and capable of taking usable photos I could also take a slim P & S with me. E.G. I have a Sony TX9 which takes good pics and movies, has IS, is small also thanks to it´s internal lens and could easily be mistaken with a smartphone. I think I´m not the only one who doesn´t need a smartphone despite all the fuzz about having a jack of all trades device with me for checking Facebook(don´t have it), browsing the net(too expensive and awkward), playing games(for that I have a real computer) and - of course - taking photos and videos.
Hmm...Am I the only one who is concerned about the fact that this site gives smartphones with cameras too much room? At first the Nokia Lumia 808, ok, maybe it was a bit understandable because it has 41MP sensor, but now Iphone 5? The site name is "digital photographry review", not "smartphone review". And please don´t tell me what a nice "always-have-with-me"-camera a smartphone is, I don´t have a smartphone and don´t want one for a lot of reasons, ok? -.-
vladimir vanek: What the... is this?? :D I don't need any apps or whatever in a CAMERA! I only need 3 functions, M, Tv and Av... :)
"this line of reasoning goes all the way to the guy with a box of paints."
Not really! There is a huge difference between features that are undoubtly useful for photography and questionable gimmicks like wifi, 3G, Android and so on. It´s wrong to condemn useful(!) new features, but also wrong to praise every "innovation" just for the sake of it.
And ISO! :DYes, you´re right. I don´t need apps or any other gimmicks in a camera. All this will quickly eat the battery. Despite Android and all the connectivity stuff this is just an ordinary superzoom with an oversized display.
halc: Many people just don't get this.
Especially die-hard photographers.
Online features, instant youtube/vimee/fb etc sharing are already reality on the camera phones.
It's just a matter of time that cameras that already had wifi, got some of the same features.
Of course the photographers will not (for the most part) find these useful.
But bloggers, amateurs and special usage pros will find it very useful.
Just because you don't have use for it, doesn't mean others don't.
Yeah, the poor Youtube servers. With the growing number of every crap uploaded in Full HD instantly it is only a question of time when they will crash. Or image hosting sites. This people can´t even be called "amateurs", they are just social networking victims who think they should share everything of their lifes with the world, no matter if taking a dump, going to the doctor or shopping.
Lupti: I´m not impressed at all. This phone needs such a large sensor to produce pictures at the level of an 150 € point and shoot? Give me a break. 38MP looks just soft and without any real detail. And even 8MP is far from impressive. Like said on level of an cheap P&S - and these come nowadays mostly with OIS and zoom. In a similar size. And regarding video, I know cheap pocket camcorders that can do better. No hard feelings, but DPreviews statement about "excellent video quality" is just false. Even their own samples prove it. DPreview is no videocamera site which is ok as they are mainly about photography but then they shouldn´t make such statements.So then finally a Gold Award for this phone - it is far from deserving this. Especially for this price.
Clint Dunn, dude, you should also read my sentence again. I wrote about a large sensor...but most cheaper P&S have sensors sized at around 1/2,3". And a lot of them produce better images...the 808-images aren´t really "decent".Yeah, a lot of people want to take pics with their phone with acceptable quality, but this was also possible before the 808 was launched. The stills and videos from the iPhone 4S look better - and I´m surely not an Apple fan. So I don´t see a reason to rave about the 808.BTW: The other difference between this and a 150 € P&S are around 500 €...money that can buy one a good smartphone if needed and there will be some money left for a good lunch LOL.
I´m not impressed at all. This phone needs such a large sensor to produce pictures at the level of an 150 € point and shoot? Give me a break. 38MP looks just soft and without any real detail. And even 8MP is far from impressive. Like said on level of an cheap P&S - and these come nowadays mostly with OIS and zoom. In a similar size. And regarding video, I know cheap pocket camcorders that can do better. No hard feelings, but DPreviews statement about "excellent video quality" is just false. Even their own samples prove it. DPreview is no videocamera site which is ok as they are mainly about photography but then they shouldn´t make such statements.So then finally a Gold Award for this phone - it is far from deserving this. Especially for this price.