km25: I said this before, the Carl Zeiss Sonnar is not the top of the line lens formula for wide angle/normal lens. It is for tele. Planar, Biogon and Distgon are the top lens. By a 35mm f2.0 for their range finder camera, it will be a 35mm f2.0 Biogon. If want a tele, yes it will be a Sonnar. Simpler lens formula. With the simplist in the Zeiss line up being the Tessar, a three element lens.
@mcm49So in your inifinitely open-minded, genius-level, common sense approach to evaluating this cameras, I have seen one positive comment from you about the RX1. Troll is as troll does.
mcm49: I'm looking forward to the X-E1 making it onto the shelves so I can hold it and play with it in real time. I'm very intrigued by what the camera appears on paper to be able to achieve, and all at a $999 body-only starting price point, which ups the intrigue ten-fold. I'll probably even let go of enough cash to buy it along with the 35mm f/1.4 lens so I can take it out and give it a real world spin in various challenging environments to see what it can really do, and then I'll decide if its a keeper or just a step along the way of evaluationg new camera technology. Right now I have to say, I think it will be a keeper -- but we'll see soon enough...
VHS vs. Betamax, nice 30 year old reset. However, you almost seem like a reasonable human being over here. Almost.
mcm49: Also, everyone is saying Fuji's RAW format is useless because no post precessor supports it. And, history tells us when a sensor company tries to create their own RAW post processor, it hasn't flown very well. But, the Fuji in-camera RAW processor can be programmed to produce what the artist wants from their work, so this will be a very intriguing experiment to see how that pans out in comparison to the third party RAW post processors. On first guess, I'd say it won't compare equally or close enough to be lauded as a solution, but perhaps with the new JPEG engine in the X-series Fuji's, in camera RAW processing may not be shabby at all. It's exciting to see how it will all pan out...
@mcm49I'm glad you pulled out all the cliched stops:
1) I've seen everything.2) I've heard everything.3) Honesty proclamation.4) Dismissal.
Thanks for sharing your fascinating, unbiased opinion here and elsewhere. I cower in the large shadow of your ego.
malcolm82: This lens barrel is big enough to fit a 25/1 m43 lens. Do they think it looks more professional this big and will sell better for the price? Maybe they realized people will not want to pay this much for a 5 gram lens if it was too obvious so they built this massive barrel around it.
If someone bought a v1 with 2 lenses for $900 when the system was introduced....a lot of the current customer base, I'm guessing less than $200 for a good, fast prime is not a huge amount.
I actually like most Fuji cameras I've used and think IQ from the X-Pro1 is fabulous for an APS-C size sensor. My response is purely aimed at mcm49 for trolling the Sony boards and pretending to be something more than a troll.
Lightroom/PS periodically update the software with new camera profiles. Until then LR will not accept raw files from the X-E1.
What a shock. A trolling Fuji fan-boi.
How can we be sure that Fuji designs their own sensors? How can we be sure that Fuji designs their own in body RAW processors? These are extremely important questons. I guess the only thing we can be sure of is that you're an arrogant, pathetic fan boy. Cheers.
PowerG9atBlackForest: Dpreview: "... how many people are willing to make the outlay for that larger sensor in the knowledge they can't later leverage that investment by swapping lenses ..."
I guess that the sensor and the one Carl Zeiss lens are good enough to get a very decent major crop if you want, actually covering everything easily from 35 to 135 at least.
This is the question. Especially since Sony will release an interchangeable lens mirrorless full frame and most likely sooner than later. The real question when it happens (and it will) is will Sony actually be able to have many decent lenses within 3 years of launch.
waitformee: This camera is really perfect. not for extreme usage but perfect for my daily shot.
Sony is winning. DSLR are everywhere today and most of the people who holds a DSLR are using kit lens. This is a perfect camera for them.
Still there is one major flaw... it is too expensive.
This is a perfect camera for DLSR users who only use a crappy kit lens?
FrankS009: Interesting to look at the RX1 as a marketing exercise for 'small" and mirrorless cameras. Almost the ultimate example of the bigger the sensor, the better. APS-C is better than 4/3rds, but APS is trumped by "Full frame!" It doesn't matter how big the lens, how practical or how expensive the body. Next stop in this campaign, a medium frame sensor!
A fun toy for someone who has to have the biggest in the smallest and the most expensive - great bragging rights. It looks nice. It will even take pictures, probably excellent ones. To each his (or her) own.
I believe that at the bottom of the press release for the RX1 there is an allusion to the forthcoming medium format type fixed lens, 60mm f2.5 camera. Sony is calling it the REALLY full-frame RX0.1 MEGA 55mp Cyber-Shot. Suggested MSRP is $17,799 and it comes with it's own hobbit to carry your RX1 & RX100.
mcm49: A spanking new camera at this price point in 2012, why doesn't it have USB 3.0? Another question; is the Sony 35mm format sensor a Bayer-type cmos sensor? If so, that means it requires an anti-aliasing filter on the sensor to counteract the undesireable effects of that type sensor. And who makes this sensor? Is it a Sony product or one they purchased from someone else? Those are things that can make a difference to know.
Fair enough, though your point here seems rather ludicrous. If you were to say that the lens isn't really made by Sony (if not specifically branded Zeiss), well this is a much more logical assertion/supposition. It seems that most of the optical engineers from Konica-Minolta have long escaped Sony. This is my brazen speculation based upon the amount of newly designed E/A mount lenses since the acquisition.
You are seriously proposing that Sony is using another company's sensor? Incredible.
acuberosm: Put the new Fuji sensor into the X100 and you have a much better camera than the Sony RX1. The Fuji is smaller if you consider that the X100 has an optical and electronic viewfinder in the body... and the lens is smaller too. I hope Fujifilm make soon this camera. Ahhh, the Fuji is cheaper too!
@mcm49 I meant to direct the response to acuberosm who mentions price as an after thought.
pca7070: The orange "35mm FULL FRAME CMOS IMAGE SENSOR" collar looks cheap!!
It should say 35mm Full Frame CMOS Image Sensor with Bionz Cyber-shot awesomeness! :P
snooper: When you own a Leica you keep the lenses for the rest of your life, and probably for the next generation.When you buy a RX1, you will trash everything as soon as they will offer a 40mpix sensor, let's say in 2 years.At the end of the day, between buying and resale prices, I'm not sure this is cheaper than a Leica.But Im sure that it's not the same camera :-)
I'm guessing Sony has a full-frame ILC in development for fairly short future release. In fact it's possible Sony will release the body without many lenses ready....this is more of a concern to me.
I love this kind of comment. How do you know whether the newer Fuji APS-C sensor would be better than the Sony camera that hasn't even been released. I forgot my rose-colored filter today.
I'm really happy that Sony kept the "Cyber-shot" moniker, further establishing a very distinguished brand identity and justifying the $2,800 price.
two_stanley: stick a Leica logo on this badboy and everyone would claim it to be the greatest camera ever!
Nah, Leicas don't have focus peaking...and yes I do understand how a real rangefinder focuses :P.
Joe Ogiba: Wow, what a bunch of brain dead people here who don't have a clue why someone would want a 5.5x crop factor camera that takes almost any C-mount, K mount , Canon mount, Leica M mount, Nikon mount etc
This is the most frustrating feature of the original Q...decent LCD but crap zoom. What are they thinking here?!?
I took a Pentax Q with an adapted 50mm F1.7 MD lens around last weekend hiking and to a football game. I had one helluva great time with the 275mm equivalent field of view. IQ isn't going to be incredible at 1:1 but that's nor the damn point: IT'S FUN.