I gave up my Nikon DSLRs for mirrorless cameras about five years ago, and found they suited my style of photography so well that I've never looked back. Gotta say though, this camera gives me a real twinge of acquisitiveness...
loitokitok: Actually Leica aren't really in the photographic market any more. They are to cameras what Louis Vuitton are to shopping bags, or say a Bulgari Magsonic Sonnerie Tourbillon is to a watch. In other words they are now luxury goods manufacturers and the fact that their products happen to take photos is almost coincidental.
In a sense the more out of step with other cameras their products are, the more they appeal to a certain kind of customer and I guess the only way they could further increase their appeal (to some) is to make them out of precious metals, possibly with a sprinkling of jewels.
I don't have a problem with that at all. Good luck to them, it's probably the only way they could have survived in today's market.
I'd never thought of it in those terms, but the more I think about it the more I agree with you. Certainly Leica's problem is that image quality is now strongly dependent on sensor design, and Leica don't have the resources to develop any sensor (let alone a class-leading one) in-house. Finding other selling points is a sensible strategy, and given that Leica are still around when other premium brands like Contax have long since gone to the wall, one that's hard to argue with.From a nostalgic point of view, I feel a little sad that, for me, Leica has drifted so far from best practice in terms of handling and ergonomics that their cameras are no longer the objects of desire for me that they once were. However, given that I'll never have the resources to choose to buy Leica anyway, my preferences are irrelevant :-)
I love my GX7's and I prefer the smaller form factor of this to the bulky GX8, but that rear thumbwheel puts me off - with repairs, I've now broken four rear thumbwheels across two different GX7 bodies and have given up getting them repaired. I'll be seeing how the price of the GX8 comes down over time.
BarnET: Bloody hell why did i buy that I40 3 months ago.
The i40 only has a 105mm maximum zoom range compared to the i60's 200mm, and the GN goes up the tighter you focus the flash output. What reinish was saying is that the higher GN could be an artifact of the longer zoom range. If you're shooting at focal lengths wider than 105mm, you'd probably not see a significant (if any) difference between the two models.
One factor not considered in the Pen F/GX8 comparison is what happens to the prices of those models over their lifetimes. If they follow previous form, the Pen F will probably settle around the £750 mark and the GX8 around £500 (though it will be interesting to see whether the lack of or presence of 4k video affects that trend this time round.)So if you're like me, and content to buy models at the end of their lifetime, price becomes a much bigger factor in the equation than it does when new models are introduced.
I was about to be impressed that there were 21 different lenses for the Nikon 1 system but there are a lot of repetitions there - presumably each different colour option has its own entry?
Page 3 last paragraph there's a bit missing - "However, when shooting modes, exposure is locked when you hit the REC button,"
shooting "in movie mode?"
This is brilliant, but I wish they'd spent half the money and effort on a firmware update that puts a proper distance scale and depth of field scale into their standard manual focus interface. Also, focus resume so your MF distance doesn't re-set every time the camera powers down. These should be basic features and I've been waiting seven years for them to fix this.
Anastasiadis Lazaros Thessaloniki Wedding: I know most people here will dissagree but this kind of technology in my opinion is killing photography as an art and as a profession. There will be no pro photographers soon because everybody will be able to be an artist without really knowing much about art or photographic techiques. You will be able to achieve a near pro level outcome from your camera so 99% of people will like it sounds nice in the first place but in the future this will turn against humanity and a CPU will be programmed to mimic art while people will get dumb and lazy. Lazy to learn lazy to study photography, CPU will do everything for you even crop and synthesis a CPU can find the "best" and "weird" "low" angles based on the best algorythms. Humanity is on the path to lazyness and art is dying day by day. Mass produced art will never be appreceated and this is bad for humanity in the long run. What do you think about it?
The ability of more and more people to produce technically decent photos with a minimal understanding of photography is going to keep putting pressure on the pro market, no doubt about it. But really good photography is about having an opinion and a view of your own, and no camera can give you that. For sure, a lot of pros are going to end up squeezed out of the market, but in terms of overall creativity? You're also going to be opening the door to lots of creative individuals who used to be put off by the technical stuff. Overall, I don't think the amount of good work will diminish, though you might not have a clearly defined class of "pros" doing it. Equally, you'll have a vast tide of Instagram selfies and food shots, all of well exposed and focussed and maybe even better composed because of technology, and you know what? Good! - that's more people using photography as a regular part of their lives and having fun with it than ever before.
disraeli demon: Still no affordable, compact 24mm f2 lens for APS-C - I guess if you're into primes, Nikon (and Canon) expect you to upgrade to full frame.
@olivemoonstudio for the field of view on APS-C, f2.8 would be a bit slow for my tastes, yes. When I bought my Nikon D50 back in 2006, I hoped Nikon would eventually release a set of fast primes tailored to APS-C; 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2, 35mm f1.4 and 60mm f1.8. These would have been direct equivalents of lenses they already made for full frame. Unfortunately, the availability of affordable f2.8 standard zooms (I used the original Sigma 18-50 2.8), the need to re-tool full-frame lenses to cope with high resolution sensors, and the gradual decline in price of full frame, bringing it within the reach of more serious amateurs each year, means it's probably uneconomic for Canon or Nikon to produce such a suite of APS-C friendly primes. While I understand this, it's still a shame those Canikon APS-C shooters who prefer primes haven't got many dedicated options.
Still no affordable, compact 24mm f2 lens for APS-C - I guess if you're into primes, Nikon (and Canon) expect you to upgrade to full frame.
As someone who has chronic back trouble as a result of carrying camera gear for years in shoulder bags... Start using a rucksack now, kids. It's nothing like as convenient, but your back will love you for it in later life
Prognathous: "3D XPoint (pronounced cross-point)" - probably from the mind of the same marketing person who came up with Pentax *ist D (pronounced who-the-hell-knows)...
I like to think of the "*" as a belching sound
Finally! FINALLY! A rangefinder-style body with a fully-articulated screen! I've been waiting for that since they introduced the GF-1!
Nice to see Panasonic sticking with this form-factor for their "serious" camera bodies. Not so sure about the size increase, but I'll wait to handle one before commenting.
Once thing on price: generally, the price of Panasonic bodies has settled to something far more reasonable after a year or so. Wait a bit, and you get a much better deal.
I can't help wondering if a camera with this many features is Leica testing the waters for introducing an interchangeable-lens AF-capable camera (if you think of the Q as Leica's "LX100," imagine a "Leica GX7/A6000".)
jjdsyd: Impressive on a number of fronts. But, I guess I am the only one here that doesn't like how it looks. Much prefer the looks of my GX7. Perhaps they will release a GX8 with 4k capability...
jjdsyd - I'm with you on not liking the looks. Generally, I've liked the curvy pseudo-DSLR looks of all the G-cameras, though I thought the G5 was the least successful. This one looks like an OM-D jumped the fence and ravished a G6 - it's neither one thing nor the other IMHO
JPR.lda: Is the silent mode really silent like on the Sony A7s???
Depending on the lens in use, you can get a slight noise as the aperture blades stop down to take the shot, but it's no louder than the ticking of the leaf shutter on a compact. I leave my G6 and GX7 on electronic shutter as the default, only switching to mechanical shutter if I need flash or to freeze fast motion.
Sergeg: I love everything about my GX7, functionality and rangefinder looks, ergonomics, handling.This has a curious appearance, like some miniature SLR from the 70's, why the "pentaprism" protrusion if there is no mirror, does it have any practical function beyond cosmetics? The FZ1000 and LX100 fill my 4K fix and I love the extra rez of the FZ!This is a curious beast with an uncertain niche to fill IMO.
To me it looks like Panasonic lost their nerve regarding the G-series design logic and tried to make the top plate look more squared-off and "OM-like." The result looks like a bit of a kludge to me (though I generally preferred the G-series curvy "DSLR" look to Olympus "OM" styling anyway). The end result looks like one of those odd early-80's automated SLR's that were around before Canon introduced the Eos series.
I had my eye on one of these for a while as to use mostly asa video camera, but I held off because the price of G-series cameras always drops at the end of the production run - I picked mine up for £299, less than the cost of a decent premium compact. Really pleased with it.
If you don't need 4K video, they're an absolute snap right now (end of May 2015).
Xentinus: Doesn't it have 120 fps at 720p video recording?