Old Cameras: So basically, it's branding. Prestigious brand equals potentially higher perceived value and quality and hopefully, a higher justified price. And maybe the lenses are good and worth every penny, but it's still just good old fashioned marketing. Ziess doesn't have any secret sauce, not anymore. Think ISO9000. It has nothing to do with quality, it's only a documented quality system to follow so you manufacture things in a consistent manner, even if what you're making is mediocre.
Good points. Peter Sellers was a genius!Probably the future of digital imaging is more and more to make the optical and the electronic parts work together and move from image processing to image synthesis. Let's face it, most users do not understand the first thing about composing, colors or contrast and their GFs are fat and ugly and their kids have a squint...Enter picture synthesis, enter the brave new era of photography.
This kind of development can already be seen in audio world...the best drum sounds come from a drum machine but you can use your flashy set to trigger it....it's just a matter of time the same idea comes to photography. In fact, the Sony Xperia already comes with gnomes and dinosaurs you can plant in your pictures.
MrTaikitso: So Samsung are using Pentax glass? If so, explains why the IQ on Samsung cameras is so good. (I have owned the now cult EX2F, and images from that were excellent, and from reviews, the NX-1 produces superb images too.)
The amazing Sony f717 that I owned in 2003/4 had a Zeiss lens which also produced superb images, as long as the camera was still, the autofocus and (assuming there was any) IS was terrible though! Tripod essential back then!
I also owned a Pentax K10D and going back in time through my photo library, (bared in mind I have never owned a DSLR from Canon or Nikon), it produced the best dynamic range and IQ of any camera I have ever owned, so I think all this proves that companies whose history is based on the design and production of lenses are doing the right thing to license their technology, as long as the relationship is genuine and not just a Kodak or Polaroid like exercise in sham branding.
Samsung has its own optical factory with facilities to create products all the way from basic calculations to the finished product.
they openly say that they have 'learned from others' which in this particular context probably means the same thing as when they took Apple's no 1 position in smartphones. Sony will be having a hard time once Samsung gets its act together. I wish they learned something about the beating they took in flat screen TVs.
To Martinot: Samsung's recent cameras are there on the top. I had a similar experience with the first Galaxy. It is a totally different game now with the latest models.
jonikon: Yes, there are some excellent Zeiss lenses still being made, but unfortunately Zeiss dirtied it's brand years ago when they signed a contract with Sony allowing them to brand any lens Sony chose as a Zeiss Tessar lens. The Zeiss quality assurance of Sony/Zeiss lenses is a joke and is all just marketing. Some Sony /Zeiss branded lenses such as the Carl-Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm f/4 ZA OSS are junk on the inside. Photozone only gives it one an one half stars out of a possible five, optically. Unfortunately many Sony users are being duped into paying premium prices for the the blue label Zeiss on the outside, but only getting questionable Sony optical and mechanical quality on the inside.
Nostalgia is not what it used to be any longer...the 'Good Old Times' of today are the days of Ulbricht and Honecker, the STASI days. If you miss times like that, you must be out of your mind.
Tower: Lens quality is Germany. Lens quantity is Japan.
My only Zeiss lens is the 16-70 f/4.0. My experience does not in any way encourage me to get more of Zeiss lenses for my Canon or my Sony a6000.To me the image that Zeiss has created seems like the 'Un-Leica', a blue dot instead of a red one.
I considered getting the 55mm f/1.8 for my A6000 but then I started counting what that kind of money would buy with a Canon, Tamron or Sigma badge. It just does not make sense.
BTW who are the German camera makers?Leica and Linhof are still there in Germany making cameras but is there somebody else?
Ben O Connor: Back in the day; Nokia sealed a deal with Zeiss and it feels like "forever"! Even now Microsoft's windows phones comes with "Zeiss optics".
I think Sony is very jealous even angry about it!
My Sony Xperia bricked (died) totally of the Sony disease that has killed about hundred thousand Xperias all over the world. This is what I learned with a bit of googling. Interestingly, the 'service provider' pretended not to know anything about the epidemic and blamed me for having used another brand of USB-charger for the problem!Sony has a BIG problem with the user interfeces and aftersales care. They should buy somebody from Apple to shape up thei image.
Put a cable or a Bluetooth link between the two, maybe it might become another GoPro?
My hero Ken Rockwell has reviewed this camera and taken shots of his children, his watch and his palm tree plus some pretty cool holiday shots that he has processed with PerfectlyClear v.2.0.He says that this is the best pocket camera of the world.I think we should take his word. He rarely exaggerates.BTW. His experience with the Sony menu systems is similar to mine.
DanK7: Best ever was the Minolta mini tripod TR-1 from about 1984. Not many around but worth grabbing if you can.
Yeah, I got one also. The airport security loves it.
Looks like a hit to me. Some sample photos quelquepart?
Now please sell you Canon stuff cheap so I can buy it.
Sony will have a hard time recovering from the quality issues it has had with the earlier models. The Z1 'bricked' all over the world and the only cure was to get another unit.No more Sony phones for me.
ProfHankD: I often carry a 3" color checker card (or a neutral gray reference) and using it to calibrate the combination of scene lighting and camera can be productive. Unfortunately, smoothly-mixed lighting across a scene gives me the most trouble, and it isn't easily resolved even using a color checker. Fortunately, human viewers usually are not all that picky, and art doesn't require accurate color. ;-)
Just as a reminder, cameras capture weighted wavelength data, but color is not a straightforward function of wavelength. Land (the inventor behind Polaroid) did a lot of experiments exploring this. There is a wonderful little overview of Land's two-color experiments at http://www.wendycarlos.com/colorvis/color.html -- yes, for appropriate scenes, you can both see and photograph apparently full color images using just two color bands.
Thank you fo the link! FAscinating stuff!
Are the Nikon 750s still shipping with the glitches or is it safe to buy one now in a distant location where there is no repair service?
gbdz: Cool sceneries, cool people who live there. Love QLD.That said, what will be the next thing after these ultra sharp HDR type shots?Theyare so perfect now that nothing can be done to improve on them. Yeah, what next?
A good one...maybe wet plate as well?
ZorSy: Isn't it amazing when people say 'seen these pictures 1000 times before', "not original" etc? Everything has been photograph to death (or even painted) thus making photography more boring than ever. Some people still find the location, get there at the right time and posses the right set of skills to capture 'nice' images - Steve did exactly that. Considering Australia's coastline is 25,760 kilometers, or a little over 16,000 miles, long, there are slim chances the pictures of exactly the same spot are out there. Even if they were, Steve's 'captures' are unique - and he does it extremely well. Good on ya Steve!
Yes. More pictures of keyboards and sharp lenses, that's what we need. And cats doing nothing. Those are the best!
Cool sceneries, cool people who live there. Love QLD.That said, what will be the next thing after these ultra sharp HDR type shots?Theyare so perfect now that nothing can be done to improve on them. Yeah, what next?
OliverGlass: Sarcasm ON:My keyboard warrior mentality has been offended by real images like this made onsite. You think I'm NOT inspired??? Bah! I have my 5D mark III that I use like a P&S! There's no excuse to be bored when there's a big sensored cam in my hand ---- at home with my stuffed pink panther!
REAL photography is about sitting in front of a PC all day and commenting on how other shutterbug's work fail to make the cut. Commenting on every image like I know every lens and filter will earn the respect of my peers. I can "copy paste" intelligent arguments after I download the quotes from kelbyrockwell.com. This makes me truly brainy! One must grow roots on his chair because STILL photography is abut staying still in one place!
How dare you urge me to move away from my fish and chips at home!!!??? I can produce new work by using Photoshop for 12 straight hours on one downloaded image! That is the only way to perfection!
Ken Rockwell is my hero, too. We should make T-shirts 'Donate!'
LMCasey: Dear Samyang,Please make a version of this for FF, and please correct it to less than 4% barrel distortion. Doesn't necessarily need to be a fast lens either; f4 will do.
The 14 mm f/2.8 is the FF equivalent to the 10mm crop sensor lens. Even a bit wider. I have it. A part from the distortion that has to be fixed with a lens profile on LR, it is a good performer.
gbdz: What might be the rational behind this?Will my Sony somehow perform better because it is getting more votes? How does it know? What about the old versions I have of Canon EF lenses...nobody votes for them, will they start growing mold?
Mindless consumerism wins mouse clicks. The two are linked. (ha-ha)
Most 'prosumers' already have equipment that far exceeds their skills.Still, whenever anybody asks for an advice to a specific problem on these forums, nearly all of the answers suggest buying something. This instead of for instance learning to use the stuff that is already there.
I wish it would stop raining so I could go out and shoot....
People buy 500+ dollars worth of smartphones to play Candy Crush Saga. They also buy DSLRs to shoot pictures for their FB pages, frustrated because the upload takes so long. They complain that their 'lense' is not sharp and in the sample picture you see motion blur...Yes, world is full of consumerism totally out of bounds and people buying stuff far too complicated for their span of attention.