The article points out, quite correctly, that drones are not easy to navigate or deliver results that impress anyone. Drones are noisy, wobble, vibrate, crash, run out of juice, and infuriate some people. Potential buyers should be duly warned, rather than be baited by exotic flyovers shots that require months of practice (and losses) or better equipment. Drone shots may find various useful applications, but probably not public events or sports. Licensing, insurance, and local ordinances make this difficult. Few players or spectactors will welcome a buzzing, gyrating gizmo over the playing field, and the fish-eye or shakey video won't be worth the trouble.
spitfire31: I am not going to buy any new camera in this class that doesn't feature manual audio and a headphone output.
In the year 2014, audio is still receiving stepchild treatment. Sheesh!
Manual audio and headphone don't solve the fundamental problems of on-board audio capture: wind noise, handling noise, distance from subject, ambient disturbances. Serious audio usually requires a separate recorder or studio conditions outside amateur budgets or privileges.
The 5-axis Power OIS stabilization may be the crucial feature. If it works, it alleviates the bane of most hand-held video, especially if the resolution is 4k. Stable video at long zoom may remain ellusive, but any improvement is welcome.
An angry man, apparently. Unfortunately, the smoke and flames make it hard to see what he specifically wanted Canon or Nikon to deliver. Deep down under, so many people seem to crave something that is either impossible or picayune; 1) a pocket FF camera with a huge OVF, f/0.8 24-600mm pancake lens, for $300; or 2) a camera that makes some geezer feel like a teenager at the wheel of a '70 GTO.
The two companies somehow continue to make money, when camera operations for others are ailing badly. Maybe they're doing something right.
Hli5d: 70 years.. I lived in Ca in 1994 when it was 50 years and remember the memorials.. Time flies. June 6 th is a special day for me. My dad was in the resistance during wwii and was together with his brother, arrested by Gestapo in the morning of june 6th 1944 - D-Day. My father escaped by pure luck, but his brother was shipped to concentration camp, which he survied after 11 month of agony. My father continued his actions in the resistance until the war finished. I have been raised by my father always telling me that we have our freedom today because of to the soldiers who died on the beaches that morning. My father passed away on june 6 th 1998... This date is just something to me.
The OZ contingents had lower casualty rates in the D-day landing, perhaps due to memories of Gallipoli in WWI, so they planned and trained carefully.
sonics: We should always remember the sacrifices made that day. If it wasn't for the allied landings in Normandy Stalin would haven conquered the whole of Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium and prolly part of France.
The landings would have been far more difficult without so many Axis troops and resources tied down, or dead, in Russia. The "prolly" (prole?) Marchais / Sartre part of France continued to worship Stalin. They would have hated him had he ever occupied, which he did not, so the Americans became the object of ire.
Menneisyys: New video shot with the M3: https://vimeo.com/97586765
Too bad there are no handheld shots (except for the very last minutes but those were also shot on a moving staircase); that is, anyone looking for some live demo of the OIS and/or true compression artifacts in the H.264 mode* should look elsewhere.
*: compression artifacts are a big problem with the RX10 (see http://www.eoshd.com/content/11581/exclusive-review-sony-rx10 )
Dedicated thread: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53812227
If ordinary people are the judges, just about any hand-held video loses. The only on-board stabilization scheme that comes close to answering this problem is the Balanced Optical Steadyshot gyro approach, which is almost impossible to built into a pocket camera or DSLR type design.
Nice camera, but worth $800? That's the main question.
cgarrard: Excellent write up Richard, enjoyed it. And btw, I don't take any of the criticisms beyond what they are, and I think they are equally valuable to praise in a write up. Sony's got just a few things to tweak in this camera to make it ultra gold material it seems ;).
What would be nice is to see Sony make a G1X competitor with an even larger sensor and longer focal range lens that mirrors many of the features of the RX100III- especially the built in viewfinder.
Edit: And oh by the way, one gripe I'd add: I still think a grip should be included with the camera and not be a $25.00 accessory. :)
A G1X competitor? Don't you mean the a6000?
Loyal D600 owners insisted that the "problem" was imaginary or exagerated by Canonite trolls. One could clean the sensor or, by using the camera very little, never see a sludge problem at all. Loyal owners never whined or sent their units for repair or replacement. Loyal owners were chagrined when Nikon "went wobbly" and offered the D610 with a "fix" for the problem. Loyal owners have the Nikon emblem and five stars tatooed on their head, chest, biceps, and behind. The Marines borrowed the Semper Fe motto from Nikonites. Just ask Santa or the Easter Bunny.
Neodp: This does demonstrate the necessity of both great still IQ and not disregarding video performance (no matter the challenges) in the state-of-the-art design. Albeit within amazing pocket limits(not terribly limited).
That does not mean pocket cameras are better overall, or a better value for everyone. The cost here is way to high. No, not that it can't command a higher demand and to a point deservedly for good innovation. There are many cons here too. Manufactures are simply not doing the best they can, per value.
While Sony is doing commendable things, clawing their way toward the top; woe to you [however] if Sony controls the market! You'll then have to rent your cameras or something worse.
I thought Apple and Samsung controlled the (phone) camera market, the one that counts.
jackf00: STILL NO REVIEW for the GH4 ? why ? come on guys, 4 month it has been announced !
you're the last to review it ! as always with panasonic products, remember GH3 was reviwed 7 month after annoucement and 5 month after release !
Also check Cameralabs, TechRadar, and various reviews posted at YT. Perhaps DPR simply wants to give the competition plenty of time to catch up. However, the DPR scoring is tilted in favor of features where the GH4 is simply OK, and there is no precedent for scoring an affordable breakthrough in 4k video that most people have never seen for real. So the net score might be below 84 and undistinguished.
A wider 24mm equivalent focal length. Otherwise, resembles its two baggy pant pocket predecessors. For the near $800 price, couldn't they have added time lapse, or how about 4k video? The latter is being offered on phones, so why not?
The <$300 coat pocket LX7 is more bang for buck: smaller 1/1.7" sensor, yes, but as many or more controls, 24mm wide end, longer optical zoom, and time lapse too.
Any as-good-as-new RX100i models priced below $400 might also be viable options. I seriously suspect that many are as-good-as-new, since not many buyers of a (originally) $650 camera will want to bang it around much.
bobbarber: Ilegal immigration can only be solved by social justice. As long as there are pronounced inequalities between the developed nations and the rest of the world, people will find a way to move towards the money.
I lived in South America for a while, and people paid coyotes (human traffickers) $7,000 -15,000 (often not cash, but the family home, etc.) to smuggle them north across the U.S. border. The journey involved extreme hardship, possibilities of abuse, and even death in the desert. Obviously the migrants would have preferred to wait in line at the U.S. embassy, even for months, and buy a plane ticket, if there had even remotely been a possibility of legally emigrating.
Illegal gangs are a symptom of the larger problem, which is social inequality. The richer countries have become an enormous gated community. The idea is to keep as much money as possible inside the gates, and fence everybody else out. Obviously the people outside the gates disagree with that model.
"Some sort of accommodation must be made to avoid all that social unrest you speak of."
What might that be?
Any sort of two-tier or appartheid system (pre 13 Amendment) would blow up after 20 years. A restrictive "path to citizenship" would be nullified by labor market practices. Businesses will find a way to hire, trade, or finance with immigrants long before any laws can be approved. In the end, the SCOTUS, ruling on some commercial dispute, will rule that residency, property rights, and work history supersede accidents of immigration papers, and all will revert to individual pursuit of happiness.
kodachromeguy: These are nice photographs of broken fishing boats on a beach, one picture of a nondescript warehouse or shed, and a photograph of a street. I do not make a connection with immigrants or refugees. This particular portfolio does not document the cost of migration.
"Basically animals ... typcially on drugs." You mean the camera fly-fans and shutter flea bugs, right?
Frank Petronio: More Leftist propaganda... Block and deport the illegals before they ruin things further.
FP: Italy could recruit "native" volunteers, garb them in black shirts, and tell them to cleanse the country of immigrants with rocks, whips, and pistols. No need for expenses associated with police pursuit, incarceration, adjudication, transport, lost labor, or parentless kids. Let animal instinct rule. Such boldness would eclipse anything Il Duce ever attempted. Oh, and think of the photo ops!
RichRMA: "Desperate migrants" are the creation of the mass communication world. Formerly, "desperate" meant, "we have absolutely nothing and need to move somewhere else now." Now it's, "We're ok, but we see online what the north has and we want it to."
All migration, in all ages, has been driven by hardship and home and rumors of a better life elsewhere. Most migrants are not at the very bottom, but those towards the middle or top of their place of origin, and have the ideas and means to hazard the move. People who call this "criminal" are themselves descendents of migrants and (very likely) direct or indirect beneficiaries of cheap immigrant labor. The biggest "drain" on social expenditures is likely to be older "native" residents who retire early and draw progressively heavy payments and sub sidies over more and more decades. They, of course, are the ones most anxious to cast the first stone at the "intruders."
AbrasiveReducer: If these people are trying to work the system or get away with something they're certainly paying a high price. That said, if Ken Rockwell posted social commentary his remarks would be on a level with the comments here.
Just to show that I've missed the point, I'm puzzled as to why the 17TS was chosen.
Are you KR's "sock puppet" posing as a critic? Never has a guy gotten so many site visits by innocent bystanders curious to see why anyone would merit such abrassive comments. Poor guy.
Boss of Sony: Why is the quality of the video so low? Hard to tell if the camera is any good if the uploaded video file is so compressed.
One can't see 4k without a (preferably large) 4k display, but 4k downsampled to 1080p is supposed to look much better than "standard" HD obtained by most existing 1080p cameras.
tabloid: GH4 v the new full frame 4K Sony should be interesting.
The FF Sony requires an external recorder to capture 4k. The 4k FDR AX100, with a 1" sensor, is apparently easier to use, and readily edits with SMS 13, but hasn't all the features or add-ons of the GH4. The PXW-Z100 captures 4.2.2 4k internally, but costs more, and the stuff should only be edited by experts with lots of budget, time, and gear.