G1Houston: Will there be a separate review on the two f2.8 zoom lenses?
One of the lens-oriented sites reviewed one of them and regarded them well, observing only a bit of softness at edges.
ThePhilips: "The only exception to the excellent ergonomics are the four buttons on top of the dial that control ISO, WB, AF, and metering, which feel a bit Nikon-esque."
The condescension is truly Canon-esque.
Kimchi versus Sushi. So what?
agnost: The NX1 makes me wish I could afford a third camera system. (Now that's really first-world problem!) The other camera makers would be wise to keep an eye on the rearview mirror as Samsung's lens selection improves -- this is not a complacent company willing to settle for second-best.
Don't forget LG.
AbrasiveReducer: Samsung has come such a long way in a short time. And like Canon, they are too big to fail so they can stay in, no matter what. They can also afford to give stuff away, if they think it will help. Not that long ago, most people with a name brand TV had a Sony.
Samsung's better lenses are not offered at "give-away" prices. As pricey as Nikon or Canon.
jkoch2: Solution: make a wide-angle bodycam part of every cop's kit, just like his badge, gun, or phone radio. A fraction of the cost of all the automobiles uses, or the legal expenses, overtime, or public destruction that occur when things go wrong and the evidence is missing or tainted.
Feidin Santana, the man who captured video of a cop shooting a fleeing, unarmed man in the back, dreaded turning over the video. There was obvious fear of the blue line and the dominant public omertà on matters of police dealiings with "those people."
Due to this sad event, now maybe police body cameras will become obligatory everyrwhere. Time, once and for all, to abolish the chance that police reports were doctored, or that "eye-witnesses" saw or merely dreamt something. Squad car roofs may all need to be equipped with 360-degree cameras that function throughout duty hours. Individual cops may not want to keep the bodycams rolling 24/7, but the cameras should probably turn on automatically any time they report an emergency, stop a car, make an arrest, pursue suspects, or unlock their pistols.
Solution: make a wide-angle bodycam part of every cop's kit, just like his badge, gun, or phone radio. A fraction of the cost of all the automobiles uses, or the legal expenses, overtime, or public destruction that occur when things go wrong and the evidence is missing or tainted.
Quirks in DPR's comparison of the XC10 to the FZ1000 or RX10: 1) failure to consider 4k itself as a route to oversampled 1080p, 2) price and cost of memory cards, 3) lens specs, 4) EVF, 5) battery life, 6) any consideration given to the GH4 or NX1, both of which offer higher bitrates and more versatillity for less cost.
That said, maybe Canon will win, even if it sells only 75,000 units, at $2,500 each, and the upscale marketing costs $500 / unit. The $1,000 margin will still yield more than the $50 / unit competitors take home on sales of 1,000,000 at $1,050 each. After all, even with expensive memory cards included, $4,000 is only a minute fraction of the cost of a single day's shoot of a commercial production that has any tangible need for 4.2.2 300mbps video.
Marty4650: I really do believe that most people who believe "the cops are always wrong" will be shocked at the outcome here.
These bodycams will MOSTLY vindicate the police, and prove the suspects were lying about brutality or improper conduct. Of course, in a few cases they will support the suspects version. But the real incidence of police brutality may be much smaller than the police haters think it is.
"I just have lived here for 66 years and have never actually wittnessed any police misconduct." And six months from now you won't remember anything you see or read about misconduct, but you will remember episodes of Dragnet or Car 54 you saw as a kid.
Cops are human, and some aren't great specimens either. Trouble is, the power of omertà, and a pervasive "see no evil" mentality of denial amoung some sexagenarians, gives a mantle of protection to the bad ones, and intimidates the whistle blowers.
justmeMN: Shhh! No one is allowed to write anything positive about Canon. :-)
What positive things can you say (with a straight face) about the CX10? Bet you have to bite your tongue, at least when it comes to price.
Judge the CX10 in terms of features and price, relative to the competition. How it stands in the Canon world-view, or a news video profession that bleeds staff daily, matters less than the tales of Beatrix Potter.
Note the tone of the editorial that the $2,500 price requires no defense. Seriously, any price is open to debate.
Put a $2,500 camera at risk on a drone? There are cheaper, good things to send aloft.
Does 300mbps 4.2.2 video belong in the world of run-and-gun at all? What wedding videographer will be able to charge for the added burden of memory space, grading, and rendering?
To compare the XC10 to a Red Epic is a bit irrelevant. Few people could possibly need, let alone handle, RAW video. There is a mega difference in the budget and infrastructure for such stuff.
Exactly why should the XC10 be the event videographer's camera of choice, rather than a GH4, NX1, or a DSLR.
In the world of super zoom hybrids, why pick an XC10 rather than an FZ1000 or an RX10?
Nukunukoo: Despite it having the makings of a great Wedding Event camera (we are still using Atmos-backed RX10s) I'm still on the lookout for the mythical RX20 (RX10 Mark II?) before deciding which to go when I go 4K (the low light performance of the FZ1000 was really a problem to us, pity).
Besides, at $2500, I'd rather get another Full Frame...
Some rumors merit honor, even if facts fall short. On occasion, justice occurs, though more often it is a mere rumor.
It is completely credible to imagine an RX100iv or RX10ii with 4k, since they share the AX100 sensor. Harder, on the other hand, to imagine an A7sii with internal 4k, since there are no convenient precedents. Only Samsung has delivered an APS-c camera with internal 4k. Will the A7000 also? Sony is reticent to say a peep, but one can always prod the rumor long enough and cross fingers.
justmeMN: To steal a historic quote, DPR sure has a lot of "nattering nabobs of negativism."
A historic quote of the words of a pol, SA, convicted of bribe-mongering. However, he definitely deterred anyone from wishing ill health to his boss, RN.
munro harrap: Why there is no 4K in the 50MP 5DaaaAAHH!
Four reasons: 1) 4k+FF sensor = too much heat, 2) 50MP hard to reconcile with 4k video, without lots of cropping, sub-sampling, or skipping, 3) a 4k-oriented 5D would entail compromises distasteful to still-oriented Canon veterans, 4) C300 protection.
WACONimages: At last Canon offers something out of the box. And see all those comments here on dpreview. Bashing a product no one seen for real, no one touched or had the chance to use.
Give it break. I'm sure there is a market for and soon many website will show reviews from video customers and will tell if it up to do the job.
Just don't understand bashing products you never used or saw in real life.
The price invites more than a bash. It begs a dope slap. No way to ask $2.5k for something your competitors already offer for under $1.0k. The only people with a "chance to use" a device like this are either the ones Canon lends, and which they will likely never buy; or the perennial GAS crowd that "buys" and then soon returns to become a "refurbished" used model. Another rule of thumb: the early promotional videos, done by professionals, usually flatter any camera.
The $2.5K XC10 looks like Canon's eccentric answer to the $1.0k Sony RX10 and the Panasonic $0.8k FZ1000. All use the same 1" sensor. The 2.5x asking price is not realistic. For that money, one could by an APS-c NX1 or m4/3 GH4 with a decent lens and internal 4k too.
In all cases, it appears that IS in 4k is limited to 3-axis. The rotational stabilization is apparently too processor-intensive or prone to banding for 4k. The Sony AX33 has a great BOSS stabilizer, but also only 3-axis.
mugupo: Wait till Sony A7000 which just around the corner, it will likely put this camera to shame. with EVF and better video function.
"Just around the corner"? Sez hoo? The November rumors alleged an unveiling at CES in January. Sony evidently took fright at the NX1 and needs to convalesce a year or so to think up what to do.
No auroras or glaciers visible where I live, just light pollution and slush. A macro shot of a dirty snowball with a glow-stick, maybe? Or "March Thaw: Diner Parking Lot with Neon Signs."
The next time it rains cats and dogs, I'll try taking a picture.
#1 worry: motion blur might make animal lovers complain they can't tell the canines from the felines: "Bunch of fur balls. Looks Photo-shopped."
#2 worry: the photogs will sneer and say that I used the wrong camera, failed to control sky back-lighting, or that their blurred waterfall pictures look better.
Lauterbrunnen farmers complained when BASE, wing suit, paraglider, and other aerial dare-devils began leaving corpses on their properties, scaring the cows. A disproportionate share of Alpine cows die in falls, so maybe their is an in-bred anxiety. There must also be a bovine wisdom or resignation that one cannot cheat death for long: today clover, tomorrow chopped sirloin.
Hubertus Bigend: If dpreview wants to start basing results of camera reviews on cameras' video capabilities, they ought to open a new 'dvreview' site and do it there. For people interested in 'digital photography', not videography, results significantly influenced by video capabilities destroy all comparability.
Then again, 'overall scores' have never been too meaningful, anyway...
DPR is very explicit that the A7S is video-centric. The review and scores don't mislead anyone. However, by any standard, the low noise high ISO sensor is an outstanding distinction that merits a high score. People have to stop looking at a high score as a threat against some (probably dated) camera they bought. To say that video adds nothing to a camera is like saying that a camera or toch screen add nothing to a phone or that a "flying machine" adds nothing to a navy, or that drones degrade the soul of an air force. Yes, video is more challenging than still photography, but not a detraction.
zodiacfml: Awesome review. I thought the review is too late but the technical information provided are plenty and high quality. Good thing you gave this much effort for the very intriguing 12MP FF Sony sensor.
Regarding DR, I believe it has something to do with the noise in the electronics or lossy RAW compression of Sony limiting the DR of the A7s similar to its brothers. A7r had it better because of the image size reduced to 12MP which increases SNR.
Sony, put this sensor in a $1,000 body then we have a new "Rebel".
If penny-wise Canon projected no profits in a <$1k FF camera, it would probably not serve Sony either. Will Canon (or anyone else) emulate Sony's A7s in a $3k body? No signs of that either, yet.