Frank C.: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/7
100 ISO +6EV compare Nikon vs Canon
Nikon kills ANYTHING Canon
shame....Canon's got some pretty good glass
I guess it'll eventually be used on the A7R II
Canon to become Sony premier's lens supplier!
Nobody is obsessed with underexposing by 6 stops. Nobody is suggesting you'd deliberately (or even accidentally) underexpose the whole scene by 6 stops. The 6 stops test is a good way of showing how much shadow pulling latitude a camera has. It may be that in order to capture the highlights you may need to underexpose another part of the image by 6 stops, but it will more likely be the case that you'll have underexposed part of the image by 3 or 4 stops. The 6 stops test will still give you a good guide as to how well those areas (not the whole image) can be recovered when processing the RAW in your chosen software.
Marty4650: Holy cow!
Not even a Silver Award!
Heads will roll in Seattle!
Anybody else singing that in the voice of Karen O?
Just me then...
brumd: OK, I am not in the market for this camera. After recently purchasing a Nikon Df, I don't have enough internal organs left to afford this one. But, I do understand why many people are so excited about it, and it is going to be very interesting to follow the next years how Sony's At system is going to mature.
But, am I the only one with this idea?
Just because camera developments in Canikons have steadied down a bit, it makes it a bit easier to spend a few thousand on a camera body, in the knowledge that at least for the next few years you'll be shooting with a device that delivers top IQ.
With these stormy developments of Sony, I am less likely to spend the sum of cash, just because I have the idea that in a year from now the model is seriously outclassed by the next 'achieving-the-impossible' camera.
I don't see it like that at all. The manufacturer failing to bring out a better camera doesn't make mine any better, and Sony will still be bringing out better cameras, just not on my upgrade path.
Although now... I guess they are on my upgrade path!
It's not actually that small is it? That's the problem I see. The shot at the top makes it look the size of a USB stick, but it isn't. This camera sounds like a great idea if it would be "always on me" or at least able to be carried in the same pocket as the iPhone itself, but that's not the case. If I'm going to have to make the decision to take the camera out with me, and free up a pocket for it, I may as well take the RX100 with its zoom lens and flash.
Bren Dyer: Sony seem to be an innovative company that continually bring out new products that dont quite fit the norm. I am a dedicated Nikon user but get a serious hardware hard on when I see the stuff Sony come out with. The A7 series is actually bloody good and I have been tempted on more than one account to jump ship. The biggest question for me is will it work well with my lenses especially the 70-200 2.8...The low light capabilities of these cameras MUST point it in the right direction for at the very least a second camera in a wedding shoot, if not the leading role...
Yes, a very serious hardware hard on!
I'm just here to applaud the use of the term "hardware hard on". Well done, well done indeed.
#6 is like a visual representation of what Sony just did.
EthanP99: Just cancelled my a7rii order for this.
Thematic: wow, even SLOG making it in as well? Gotta hand it to Sony that they do far less "saving features for the high end" compared to their competitors when releasing new models.
Agreed, I was meaning stills.
Looking at the launch price - this is pretty high end.
My next Canon body could be a Sony.
So, do we have any evidence/guesses as to how WELL Canon EF lenses will autofocus on this (speed/accuracy) and do we know what the sharpness penalty looks like from the Metabones adaptor yet? Pretty interested to know this so any input appreciated.
peterstuckings: I'm very interested to see image #4 has a ton of dust spots in the sky over the subject's head, plus one big spot on the left of the frame. Before the trolls get their claws out, I'm not having a go - I'm just curious why these spots were not cleaned up when these images surely have had a lot of post-processing done, and in this particular image the subject's outline has clearly been enhanced. Do some photogs simply not see dust spots? ...
I'll risk it. For me #4 does not reach the high standard of the other images. It's poorly processed and neither the subject matter nor the composition stand out for me.
EskeRahn: Suggestion for slogan"For when what you are recording is so boring and uninteresting that it needs to be speeded up 30 times"/S ;)
I like it, but it's true of most videos I see on social media. The only way I'm watching a video of a mate riding a motorbike in Bangkok is if it lasts less than 10 seconds.
Lanski: Thanks for the dynamic range test. For me, this and the studio test images previously released have been very valuable in planning my future "gear route". One thing that I keep wondering when I see cameras capable of so much shadow pulling (I'm referring to the D810 more than the 5Ds here) is this: Is there any other factor than noise that I should consider in this test? I can see that some cameras can pull around 5 stops without shadow noise becoming too bad and this sounds great to me as it means I could leave the grads at home and capture all sorts of new compositions, but would I lose out in other ways? Tonal graduation would be my first guess as a potential downside (compared to using the grads), but I don't know if this would be a significant issue or even an issue at all. Can you help here?
I'm not an expert on how an image file is made, but I read somewhere that there are essentially fewer tones available in the shadows - I guess maybe 2 in the deepest shadow and 2^14 in the brightest part before clipping, and hence extreme pulling could result in posterisation, regardless of noise. I have no idea if this is correct or not, or if it would be noticeable in most cases. If it were though, it'd be another difference between this technique and using a grad. Am I barking up the wrong tree here or does that make sense?
armandino: As many Canon users I can join the frustration of Canon holding back on their sensor architecture. I trust they have a good reason for this, yet I am too... frustrated.That said, when looking at things realistically, you might be envious if your car has only 150HP when everyone around is driving a 300HP car, but does it really matter if the speed limit is 130km/h?Sure I will miss out now and then the opportunity of an adventurous overtake, but it will get me to places just fine.For most practical applications and especially for the type of applications this camera is designed for I do not think it is a big deal having a iso-variant sensor. Realistically pushing 2 stops is all I need and this camera gets me there comfortably.
I guess this is more for those who either haven't bought the car yet, or are considering switching brands for their next car, though it's easier to switch cars than camera bodies!
dszc: Rishi, very nice DR demonstration photo!Also, your new technical articles such as this one are fantastic and a huge help in helping me to evaluate which new equipment to buy and how to use it. Your tests and articles save me a ton of time, as otherwise I'd have to do all this stuff myself.I've always enjoyed DPReview, but you guys are definitely taking it to new heights!Kudos and thanks!
Agreed. DR can sometimes be a controversial topic, but an honest analysis can be a lot of use to many people that don't always comment, like me!
Thanks for the dynamic range test. For me, this and the studio test images previously released have been very valuable in planning my future "gear route". One thing that I keep wondering when I see cameras capable of so much shadow pulling (I'm referring to the D810 more than the 5Ds here) is this: Is there any other factor than noise that I should consider in this test? I can see that some cameras can pull around 5 stops without shadow noise becoming too bad and this sounds great to me as it means I could leave the grads at home and capture all sorts of new compositions, but would I lose out in other ways? Tonal graduation would be my first guess as a potential downside (compared to using the grads), but I don't know if this would be a significant issue or even an issue at all. Can you help here?
It seems that it will have the best DR among EOS camera!!
I haven't seen this sort of reaction since Adobe launched Creative Cloud, but Adobe weren't asking for $2.5k up front. I know nothing about this product so won't comment on it, but the reaction can't be a good sign. Angry forum posters may not concern someone trying to sell a small monthly subscription fee, but a $2.5k camera... that's going to a much more specific market.
dave: They did an amazing job on the sensor. The dynamic range equals the much bigger pixels of the 5D III. This would make a fantastic 22mp asp-c dslr. Of course that would cut into FF sales, so it won't happen soon.
DR equal to the 5DIII is hardly impressive. The 5DIII offers similar DR to the past 5 years' worth of Canon APSC cameras.