Timur Born: The lions shot strikes me as quite wide angle, is it not? How fracking close did the photographer have to get for that shot? Two of the lions are *looking at him*!
The horizon is tilted because of the lower left lion, that is quite nicely aligned, by the way. Either he'd have to cut him off in post or shoot more of nothing in the lower right. Or maybe there was some disturbing object in the lower right that he wanted cut out while keeping the left lion in. Or maybe the whole damn pack noticed him and got up, so he decided to call it a day and save his life?
Who knows... but lions on a rocky beach look pretty wildlife to me. At least I don't see any fences or zoo signs there.
I think he used a drone, which may also explain his troubles with the horizon. I don't think it's a beach though, but it's hard to tell in this infrared image.
shauravraj: Its amazing how people can get unreasonably critical. I am a beginner with no knowledge of photography at all. The grand prize winning picture is informative interesting and only two things jumped out at me "lions on a single rock" and "light rays coming through the cloud." Why are people so concerned about horizon ... what's happening in the cloud, etc. distractions when the main message of the picture is clear.Here is why some people are so critical of the picture:1. Because people are putting on the critical lens that can only see the weakness and not appreciate what is good.2. Because people are driven by conventional knowledge that says "horizon should be straight". And we conceive that the horizon should be precisely straight.3. Because people are unable to produce quality picture despite their "senior photographer" status.I think we should elevate above our subjective interpretations and appreciate the work and focus on creative criticism. I apologize if I offended anyone
I think we need to keep an eye on the context here.
This is the discussion section under the Wildlife Photographer of the Year WINNING photos. The Lions shot was the grand title winner. I'm not aware of anyone saying that it is a poor image, merely that it seems a little flawed for a shot that has won so big a prize.
In answer to your points:1) These images were submitted to a competition. Competition judging is a critical process, otherwise they'd all be winners. The posts below are simply disagreeing with the result of this critical process.2) If you think the image is better without the straight horizon, that's fine. It's just that others disagree and think it detracts from the image. I don't think they disagree due to not being able to see past "conventional" beliefs though, I think that's their genuine opinion. 3) The picture stands or falls on its own merit.
I'd be thrilled to have taken that lions shot, I just wouldn't expect it to win WPotY.
InTheMist: Someone will come along and criticize.
When they do, look at their gallery first.
Today's rational fallacy is Ad Hominem:
shutterbud: This is a beautifully-made camera with wonderful AF, good ergonomics and a sensor waay behind the times- an APS-C flagship from the biggest gun struggling to compete with u4/3 in IQ? Come on! The fact is, many photographers do NOT shoot BIF or F1 cars and for them, this camera is too compromised, despite the loveliness. The benefits from Canon's back-catalogue of parts do nothing to improve many shots. I like the idea of this camera and IQ is 'good enough', but I would never spend so much money on something so big that I know will give me inferior IQ in most circumstances to a Nikon D5300. A GH4, XT1 or A7 offer far more benefits to more photographers than this "Second Flagship". I've said it before and I'll say it again. It is a real shame Canon didn't use a Sony sensor. If they had used the D7000 sensor, this would be King of the Crop. Sadly, it merely confirms what many have suspected for a long time. Canon tech is not improving. This is bizarre
To give my view on the point that Matt and Shutterbud disagree on, I think the problem is that as well as being a horse for a certain course, this is also Canon's flagship APSC camera. Some users expect Canon to provide a great APSC body with great IQ, and they expect to pay for it. They want it to be good for BIF and sports, but also as good as the Nikons/Sonys/m43s etc when shooting landscapes. Given the price, this may not be too much to ask.
Terapixel: I'm just a still shooter, so that 85% is way lower when video is not taken into account, below 84%. So for just still shooters Fuji X-T1/ Samsung NX-1 is more interesting (not talking about Bokeh).
This is why if you're thinking of buying the camera it's best to read the whole review and play with the test scenes. A score will always be subjective.
Earthlight: Imagine if Canon came out with a 36 mp sensor ...by stitching two of their venerable 18 mp APS-C sensors together. That would show them! :)
Someone from Canon just wrote that down and got himself a promotion...
Although these are definitely high quality photos, they aren't quite the standard I was expecting for WPOTY.
To save a bit of time: 1) No, I don't think I could do better.2) No, I didn't enter.
maxnimo: From the samples I conclude that the camera has a lot of noise under ISO 800, and the photographer is a bit too addicted to wide angle lenses.
I have a picture of Michael Jackson in a cinema that I've been saving for this moment...
Donnie G: Over 1,000 comments and counting. Alright whiners, keep those clicks ah-coming. You're selling more cameras for Canon with your constant moaning and groaning than the company ever could by itself because controversy sells products too. Don't take my word for it, just ask Apple. Ha ha ha, LOL. Brilliant campaign Canon! :)
Controversy sometimes sells products. Ridicule never does.
YESSS!!! A marketing campaign! I've been dying for them to release one of those so that I can use it to finally replace my 7D. It's been a long wait Canon, but you came through.
They've put the 70D sensor in the 5DIV...
cgarrard: Funny all the comments about the image quality. The greatness of this camera hasn't been nor will it be its amazing sensor quality. It's about the form factor surrounding the chip, and its lens, etc. Maybe Sony's 20mp 1" chip would have been a better choice for all of you complaining? Or even better, maybe Panasonic should have gone back to a 1 1/6.5" size chip instead and called it the LX9.
You seem to have answered your own question there cgarrard, people appear to be disappointed as (from these test shots alone), it appears to be outperformed by smaller and cheaper cameras. This isn't rocket science. Nobody (else) is worried about whether or not the quality is "acceptable", they're just not going to waste money on it if indeed it does turn out to be poorer quality than something smaller and cheaper.
I understand that he has to defend his brand, but I'd feel better about Canon if he'd been a bit more honest about their current sensor offering.
Canon do a lot of things well. They have a great lens lineup, not to mention getting first pick of the 3rd party lenses. Their products are normally well thought out and work as expected. They don't spray oil over their sensors or vibrate too much when you press the shutter. They have a number of things going for them in the autofocus department. Even their financial performance could be seen as a positive when investing in a system.
Their sensors however, are not their strong point.
This is fine, you can't have it all. As long as they're working on it, the system still looks like a good bet. But if I was to take Mr Maeda at his word however, I'd start to worry that I'd be stuck with a sub par DR system for some time.
Honesty can sometimes be the best policy.
I don't want to be a ____ about this but it's a little disappointing that as soon as it's a woman holding the camera we start getting comments specifically relating to her hands (at least one has since been deleted). Surely we're better than that?
milesfinch: If this camera came with a full frame sensor, would that make the unhappies happy?
I think that's a fair point, but there are two things going on here:1) The Canon 7D line is meant for action, not necessarily the highest possible technical IQ. This spec looks perfect from this point of view.2) People who do want the IQ (includes me!) got their hopes up that some impressive sensor tech could debut here, perhaps because the original 7D had a nice leap forward in sensor tech at the time. To see what looks like the 70D sensor is a disappointment just because it really feels about time we got something better. It's fine if it comes in the 5Div or whatever is next, but we don't know if this will happen.
Essentially some people here are talking about this camera as an example of Canon's (potential lack of) sensor development, and some as the action shooter it's designed to be. Maybe there isn't that much disagreement after all!
No, I think one of the main complaints here is that the sensor looks unlikely to perform better than its current APS-C (and potentially MF) competition.
PVCdroid: "Wishes have been granted in a big way"? DPReview could at least be honest about this camera. I'd be furious if Canon were my preferred brand.
Karl - I was referring to the Canon Rumours comment. I agree about how absurd it was for the 7DII, but Canon Rumours predicted it for quite a while. Make enough guesses and some will turn out correct.
Only because they kept changing their predictions. I don't see a revolutionary multi layer sensor on it.
My friend phrased it this way: "It's the sensor of the 70D, with the autofocus of the 1DX and the buttons of the 5DIII".
JoeAmateur: After re-reading all the comments, I have come to a conclusion: the 7D Mk II is one of the worst cameras ever made for people who read about cameras, ever. On behalf of all actual Canon shooters, I apologize for the lack of serious readability this new model provides; it's not nearly as cool as other cameras I've read about.
Sadly, I will be just using it instead of reading about it.
You haven't used it. You have read about it. You've also now typed about it and used it as a tool to mock opinions that you disagree with. It's turning out to be a pretty versatile camera.