450D, 18-200IS kit.
Yay! to intelligent photography. Why did it take so long? A red letter day to the Canon faithful.
Windy2013: Great Info. Thank you. I have been a Nikon user for many years & just recently bought a Canon 5D Mark II for it's full frame advantage and color rendition over the Nikon's. ( My older Nikon DSLRs are great.) I shoot Interior Design (RAW of course) I'm finding a magenta hue to the rooms, especially in the neutral painted ones, and am trying to get a handle on this awesome camera. Your explanations of the Picture Styles greatly helped. The color of the items in the room need to be dead on as the paint on the walls, so I need to get it somewhat close before adjusting in PS or Canon's software. I've tried WB, even the Kelvin. I'm using color corrected lights. What's your suggestion for Picture Style? I need to get a recipe that will work. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated as I have not used it long enough to really know it yet. What about the graph in the color tone?
My apologies for the late reply. I didn't know you left a question until now.
Neutral and Autumn Hues should eliminate any magenta overtones over some colours. Neutral needs +1 Saturation to match the saturation 0 of Standard. Autumn Hues needs -1 Saturation to match.
baobob: The new studio scene brings definite improvement. I guess it can be further improved. IMHO in it's present stage, it lacks elements that can check fo very fine details such as the banknote and the feathers in the previous model. OTOH it brings new elements that was lacking beforeI hope after readers have expressed their opinions, the studio scene could be upgraded according to remarks and suggestionsThx for this comments spaceRobert
Select the PhaseOne and have a look at the woven textile threads in the mottled blue fabric. You won't see the textile threads with any other camera.
audiobomber: This comparator is brilliant, best of its ilk on the net, by far.
Why were WB and exposure corrected for some cameras? I think the jpeg images should be taken at default settings, with no adjustments. That would be useful for people who don't know or care what all the buttons are for. Raw shows the rest of us what we need to know.
Note, ISO 12800 for the K500 is missing. Please add the K-5 IIs.
I actually prefer that Jpegs have WB and exposure are corrected. It makes comparing colour palettes of different manufacturers much easier and consistent.
Raws are processed through third party software so you're not really getting the manufacturers colours.
Pythagoras: why didn't you put a real white person in there instead of four people all with dark hair and dark eyes and olive or darker-colored skin? what about us poor pale bastards?
Who'd want to photograph them? :D
JGonzo: It would be nice if there was an option to show the comparison windows to the right of the overall window - most of us use a wide format screen (16x9) on our computers. Scrolling up and down to access the cursor is a major pain when changing the viewing area - maybe your web site page can be rearranged when using this great tool !!! Thanks
Yeah, choose the full screen mode.
dszc: Thank you, dpReview, for all you do and for trying to deal with this issue.But your current effort is very disappointing. I understand the difficulties and intent, but this is not a good solution. With a lack of 3-D curved objects, it is very difficult to see how the cameras do in attempting to draw subtle tonal gradations. Also, another critical element is how they do handling real skin tones, including the very difficult yellows and magentas in some skin - does it make it blotchy or does it render it smoothly. There are many other issues too.For my purposes, the Imaging Resources test target does a much better job.
You want to volunteer some of your REAL skin? Just make sure it doesn't age with time.
peevee1: Dear DPR,
you have missed the opportunity to make the test much more useful for more people, by testing what most people ACTUALLY use - the kit lenses!
Then all the people who don't use kit lenses will complain. There are plenty of other sites like slrgear.com that test the whole gamut of lenses for you. Here we want to see how the sensor performs with a decent lens.
I love the 4 portrait shots in the new test scene. You can really see the slight skin tone differences between camera brands.
sbuz: I've tried a number of picture styles (including my own) circulating around the internet for my 550D, and I found your Autumn Hues extra green to be the best. I've chosen it consistently from a range of test shots with different picture styles. Thanks for posting!
Can we revert to the previous system of displaying images where you could click twice to view at 100%?
The current system doesn't allow viewing at 100% unless I open a new tab to view their gallery and click on the corresponding image. It's such a hassle when someone on the forum asks if you think their photos are soft.
For example: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3283120
Can we replace the photo of the old man in the upper right corner? His skin tone looks Burgandy Red and unnatural. We need a photo with true to life skin tones so that the skin tone renderings can be judged more accurately.
I've just been viewing the Studio Shot Comparison of the 650D here on DPR and it is strangely soft at ISO1600 in Raw and the noise looks quite smeared. All the other ISOs look much sharper, including those above 1600.
Are you sure there was no NR applied accidentally to the ISO1600 Raw?
Pat: I'm getting more accustomed to the new site -- now that I know what options to use BUT the increased contrast of the white text/black background still hurts my eyes (such as on this very page).
When the new design appeared, the default was the expanded view for forum posts and the color was blue with no change in title color for previously read posts. The type size of titles in the expanded view also was too large. By selecting the yellow color scheme, and the compact forum view, both these problems went away.
I do like the rating of posts very much as it should discourage trollish behavior. Won't eradicate it completely, but I think there will be less inflammatory posts.
I also like the new grid lines in the compact forum view as they more easily delineate one post from another.
So all in all, I think they did a good job. But please, can you reduce the contrast in certain sections? The dropout type treatment is now too stark.
I actually like the white text on black background that we have here in the news comments more than black text on white background. It gives the page a more upmarket look.
I think if we change the subject banner of each forum post to white text on a grey background it will create a more pleasant contrast.
Seeing as many people have commented that the brightness of the new forum hurts their eyes, I would suggest changing the subject banner for each post to white text on a dark grey banner, the same colour scheme used for the tabs for News, Reviews, Buying guides etc.
This would probably make the forum more similar to the previous one.The current black text on white banner looks a bit daggy.
PhilPreston3072: What happened to the User-Created Articles in each Camera forum?I haven't thoroughly read all the comments so my apologies if this question has already been answered.
Actually, I just saw in the News item that it is going to be added at a later stage. Cool!
What happened to the User-Created Articles in each Camera forum?I haven't thoroughly read all the comments so my apologies if this question has already been answered.
Y0GI: Excellent article, Phil! Very informative with lots of good examples.
007peter: Amazing guide. Great Jobs
Thanks Peter. I've got to credit you for recommending Autumn Hues. If it wasn't for you I wouldn't have known how beautiful Autumn Hues looks.
This is very unusual for Canon to introduce a new lens without IS (apart from Fish eyes and tilt shifts). IS is one of their big marketing features.
I suspect the improved 24-70L has been rushed out without IS to satisfy the growing commercial DSLR cinematographer market, where optical corrections in Post aren't practical, and IS isn't as critical.
For the rest of us, we should demand that Canon release an IS version soon as no modern standard lens should be without it. Canon will lose customers if they take too long to release an IS version.