Robert Holloway: If we look at the bigger picture for the moment. Sony is clearly making a play ay the high end and has delivered what seems like an excellent camera. My understanding is that Sony took this decision for processing speed reasons versus "we can't do it".
So what baffles me is that this issue has been on the table since the launch day of the a7rii and it's gathering momentum. Even if people like me couldn't se it's effect.
So why the silence from Sony. I cannot imaging it's beyond them to deliver a firmware change that would enable us to have yet another menu sessions and choose full Raw and slightly slower speeds versus lossy RAW.
Going back to the first point, if Sony really wants to replace Canikon, then these are the things they need to deal with and quickly.
Sony isn't silent.They have several times stated "We are aware of the concerns from users and we are looking into it." For me that is as strong as its gets without promising anything.If I have to bet a dollar, my money goes on having real raw as a option via firmware upgrade.
Is the Sony jpegs based on the compressed raw data, or does it start from real raw? I.e can we see remains of these artefacts in the end resulting jpeg files?
Biowizard: Sony has always loved compression - look at the investment it put into MiniDisc all those years ago, when the rest of us were trying to get our hands on uncompressed recording solutions.
Performing any kind of lossy compression at the point of original capture is bone-headed beyond belief: once lost, the data can never be recovered.
Poor move, Sony.
One main reason is that you can zoom in images.
If you print a A4 sized image and print it for looking at (not for showing artefacts), I'd say you will find more songs that sounds degraded using mp3 than images affected visually degraded but the compression.
But maybe you need to buy speakers that atlest costs half of what this camera does. And stop listening over ipads.
But I still think that for this kind of money, the choice should be in the hands of the photographer.
Viva Santo Nino: 95% GOLD or PLATINUM award. Impressive camera!
Moving the LCD away allows for better cooling of the sensor.
Rick Knepper: I'll be impressed when Sony puts a shutter on each pixel.
42 MP of 17% grey ...
ozturert: I see very small differences between A7RII, A7R and 5DSr up to ISO6400. My monitor is HP Z27i, am I missing something or do they really have similar image quality? I was expecting A7RII to be considerably better than Canon.
At low ISO, the Canon should be more detailed.
ventur: I miss the old days... when everybody bashed Sony for the lack of lenses...
now I have more full frame lenses for my A7 (a 2 year old system) than EOS-M and Nikon 1 (4 years old?) all together
Sorry about that, I didn't notice the reference to A7RIIl in the last section.
Besides the normal bashing, I still wonder why Canon does this at this point.Time goes and cameras gets old fast.
Are they trying to establish their MLC in US?Why not in February then?
Or is this a grab for the christmas sales, come in with a ratherhigh MSRP, and offer an amazing 50% discount at christmas, relying on the brand?And honestly, most people, even here, cannot tell if a picture was taken by camera A or B.
Or even worse, there is a stock left that needs to be moved?
... but all adapters work on a6000 as well ...They use the SAME mount.
And if you don't want to shell out for adapters, the Randy's original post have some explanation to do...
@Randy, I guess you mean with adapter. Well in that case, the gap is even bigger to Sonys advantage! :/
"CANON U.S.A. WELCOMES THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THE EOS FAMILY "
That isn't really correct, is it?
RichRMA: No one owes Canon or Nikon ANY favours for their lame, late-to-the-table mirrorless efforts. I would buy Sony, Olympus, Fuji or Panasonic before either of their offerings.
That is true I guess.But no one still owes them anything, and there are better options out there. I don't see how people would say " ***** lacks lenses, so I'll buy an M3 instead..."
ttran88: Doesn't this EOS M4 have the "dreadful" Sony colors?
Nope, dark areas will stay pitch black no matter what you do. Not at all like Sony that can turn into any color when you lift them.
Joe Ogiba: Bee with Samsung NX1 and 1.40 FW ( DIS on) with 15mm F2.8 Sigma at macro 5.9" range handheld :https://vimeo.com/137062435
4K UHD screenshot :https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5823/20834737181_e01338502e_o.png
Ouch.May I suggest one thing?Don't be a smart ass for two posts if you cant take it when the favor is returned. Show some dignity and play the game, ok?If that is settled, shall we continue?
"Are you even familiar with what you are trying to suggest?"That tells me that you have more input in this then you let us all know, so please bring it forward and we can talk about like adults.
I assume we agree that Final Cut addresses rotational shake? If not please say so.
I assume we agree that the Canon VIXIA addresses rotational shake? If not please say so.
Do you mean that this cannot be done in camera?
Sorry about the hour lost.
A quick google for "rotational camera shake" gave this
Please also try:http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=rotational+camera+shake
Hope it helps!Cheers!
Focal length doesn't affect rotational blur.
Digimat: Hmm what is it with this purple "vignetting" present in the iso100 shot when pushed? thats so even it is not just read noise. fault of the raw converter or of the camera?
Is differences in the lamps right of the Finnegan sign also a result of that , or is it the result of something else?
Hawaii-geek: Sony badly needs a Nikon like "My Menu" ...
and , add another line (so it's at least 3 rows) in the Fn pop up Menu.
So, I "never" have to go into the menus.
Sony also needs a Nikon like Alpha Numeric tag on each menu item. like A1, B3 etcand have those Tags "Exactly" the same in ALL Sony cameras.
So, when someone says C3 "everyone" knows exactly what menu item they are talking about. :)
This is EXACTLY why reviews should be taken with a grain of salt.Hand someone a camera of 'their' brand, and then a different brand. - And watch how the unaware bias shows up in the reviews.
Most common comments are on the line of:- Confusing menu system. (doesn't look like mine ...)- Nice features never tested or valued in the review (because 'their' brand doesn't have it, so its not used.) (Who need IBIS?) - Lack of features are pointed rigorously pointed out. ( I can't work as I'm used to...)- Doesn't work with my flash trigger...- Liveview sucks and cannot be used, so I didn't try it. (Because my cameras liveview-AF sux)
... and the list goes on ...