I'd say 95% would have guessed on a body .. - Cool (and good) choice!
Not that it changes much of the text, but kudos to Pentax for being consistent with APS-C as their only path.
Summi Luchs: Even if > 400 comments are much for a camera not available in North America and Europe I feel that I read too much bashing here. With the EOS-M Canon did half of the things wrong, but half right. Indeed I considered to buy into the EOS-M system before I went with m4/3. The EOS-M uses a proven sensor that satisfies most EOS DSLR users. Sony has slightly better sensors and higher end camera bodies, but most of its lenses are either mediocre or expensive. Canon managed to produce very good AND affordable lenses for the EOS-M. But only three. And here is where the good side of the story ends. I expected that Canon would quickly develop a more comprehensive lens lineup and a higher end body (with EVF and more controls). But time has shown they didn't. So they make a niche product from a potentially good concept.
Whereas most Canon lenses are non existent...( I kinda wish you open up the adapter door here ... :-) )
Donnie G: No surprises here. Canon is wisely selling the camera in Japan and Asia only, since those are the only places where mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras have had any kind of sales success. Unlike the competition, Canon doesn't have to bet the company's future on a camera form factor that has only proven to be commercially successful when they were sold by the millions as small, pocketable and cheap fixed lens P&S. Smartphones own that ground now, and so far, the idea of adding a larger sensor and interchangeable lenses to that point and shoot form factor hasn't paid off for any camera company. If the EOS M cameras ever turn a significant profit for the company, then there will be incentive for further development of that system. Until then, it just makes sense to stick with what works for the overwhelming majority of camera buyers on the planet, and that's Canon's highly profitable line of DSLRs. Business 101. :)
Well...Then I don't understand why the first model was introduced world wide. This sounds more like an afterthought to me, leaving out some facts.
Debankur Mukherjee: When will Nikon come out with such a camera.......??
I think caver3d sums it up. Why is it important that it says Nikon on the front, when there already are so many good options out there?
Shane Zeppelin: I do graphic design, take photos for our brochures, and edit them and I can say this little camera takes great photos. I mainly bought it because I got tired of hauling my T2i and its lenses around in a 12 lb. camera backpack. I wanted something lightweight I could take with me anywhere, and remain in the Canon ecosystem.
In a small 4.5”x5.5”x8.5” bag I can take this camera, 2 lenses, a Perfect Hood Eye viewfinder, a compact Manfrotto Pixi Mini tripod, a lens hood, 2 extra batteries, battery charger, additional SD cards, lens wipe, strap, and rain cover and it weighs less than 2 lbs.
For the street price I don’t think there is a better camera out there that takes better photos with the same versatility.
I think the M2 updates are notable, but I can agree that there is room for an M-Pro with built-in flash, view finder, and updated sensor.
I meant that if you looked outside is the Canon ecosystem, there's lots of options that many have chosen before the M.
Yes, if you want to stay in the Canon ecosystem, this is the choice. But it kinda limits the options, don't you think?
Jogger: If i were in the market for a manual focus FF camera, i would get the Sony A7r and adapt be able to adapt every FF lens ever made.
Although, the DF makes sense if you are MFing Nikon lenses without aperture rings... but, then again those are modern lenses designed for AF with poor MFing mechanisms.
so @just is right:"you'll soon find out as soon as you will start using your A7(r) with non-sony lenses" :)
@just ... What do you mean?
Leandros S: Test scene photos: All shot with different lenses and sometimes different apertures. At f7.1, I'd expect the Canon to be sharper than the Nikons at f5.6. We're not learning anything here - even the two Nikon samples are with different lenses! DPR trolling is getting to new heights.
I'd say many lenses are pushed to their limits with 24mp aps-c or 36mp ff. But not all.
True to an extent. But now, when sensors out resolve the lens why test at all? These tests had a different purpose when cameras had 6mp sensors.
What is the purpose of the tests? And 2nd, are these test the right way to address that purpose?
Paul Guba: Because we all know photography is about buying stuff. Thanks DPR for reminding us.
Member for ten years and just realized it's a gear forum ;-)
123Mike: The Sony A57 beats the lot of these.
C'mon plastek.Both you and I know that there is no mount that can use more lenses than the e-mount. Yes, I'm including all the lenses made available by adapters. The mount is open and the flange distance is the shortest available, and I think all available lenses should be taken into consideration when looking at the offer.
No, It is mostly because we've gotten used to1. EVF with all its Pro's (And accepting the Con's.)2. Having great AF in live view. Or as a Canon shooter wrote somewhere here "Well, you don't shoot sports with live view anyway" But, in fact, some of us do :) In the same way, going from Canon to Sony is hard:Users are bothered by the light loss & High ISO performance, but see little value in the upsides of the system. And vice versa of course. I'd have a hard time using a camera where liveview is only for product shoots on a tripod.Or video mode basically without AF (and accepting that with "Well most Pro's shoot using MF anyway".) -Guess what, they shoot using EVF as well! :D
UnderDriven: Can someone from DPReview explain why the Sony A7R & A7 are shot at f5.6, the Nikon D7100 is shot at f5.6, and the Sony A57 is shot at f8? Assuming the test shots are all taken from the same location (which I assume since you are using different focal lengths for FF and APS-C cameras), you are not generating equivalent DOF values for the different cameras. Why not?
I think we can be sure that the images are a composite is several , using focus stacking.
Eleson: This article, Barneys, Shawns on the A7...I just love them! Saying so much more than a test image where everyone and their brother tries to find arguments for their pet peve. Thanks!
To lift it a notch or two, add a second opinion to for instance the a7 write up, preferably from someone with a totally different view. And allow it to be views and opinions!
@caver, I think it's tricky to mix an objective review and one persons opinion as they are apples and oranges. Maybe if there was room for 3-5 lines from each reviewer involved in the test.
marike6: Another camera choice for "Gear of the Year" based mostly on convenience for walking around?
This new DPR theme of staff exaggerating DSLR size and the amount of effort it takes to shoot a DSLR is getting a bit old.
When you consider all the great cameras released this past year to have an untested, unreviewed camera that is Pentax Q tiny, and really TOO SMALL for even average sized hands is truly puzzling. Add the fact that it has no eye level viewfinder or the possibility to add one, makes this "Best of the Year" choice suspect at best.
If convenience for walking around and size/weight have become the new criterion for judging "the best of the best" cameras on DPR, I'll be inclined to seek out other review sites more focused on actual photography and less focused on ease of use and portability.
Thanks marike for informing us (and the dpr writers) that the writers opinions are wrong.
Can't you instead tell us all what they should like? Then we can all adapt and live happily ever after.
This article, Barneys, Shawns on the A7...I just love them! Saying so much more than a test image where everyone and their brother tries to find arguments for their pet peve. Thanks!
calking: I didn't know anyone in France had a gun.
@Josh Would you also agree that most weapons in US are purchased with the intent to be used at people? (or protecting your home as it is more nicely put.)
Samuel Dilworth: Nikon should compete with Sigma by improving the choice, quality, and prices of its lenses, not by breaking compatibility with third-party lenses at every opportunity.
That should be perfectly doable, since a Nikon user will gravitate to Nikon lenses unless the third-party ones are much more attractive.
So I read this below-the-belt move by Nikon as admission that it isn’t too confident in beating back Sigma with good marketing and engineering. Disappointing.
Well, it is a choice. Sony choosed to open e-mount spec, and that in turn allowed for a plethoria of adapters.So clearly Nikon and and Sony both have shown examples in the opposite ends of the scale. And yes, I'm sure that we can find examples from both of the opposite behaviour.
I don't know, does Nikon allow for downgrades of firmware?
allegretto: Don't know it this has been noted, but;
1) Please note that the RX-1 also has two wheels and an Exp Comp dial on top. I'm not sure why folks continue to ignore this. If you don't agree, pleas go back and look at the camera. Your photo makes it difficult to see
2) After you put that large adapter thingy on, much of the size an weight advantage evaporates it seems... Worse it puts the y-axis center of rotation out kind of far as well, increasing the polar moment. Not good ergonomics unless you feel it balances better. Not sure how it could, but I've never felt it, you folks have...
What is the alternative for shooting 24 or 36 MP with your precious L lenses? I'd say it is the most compact choice out there.
Is just a matter of how you look at it.
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