marike6: The D7200 has class leading IQ, (20 points higher sensor quality score the Canon 70D on one of DPR's partners, DxOMark), improved the buffer size, improved AF down to -3EV, WIFI and gets a WORSE review and award than the Canon 70D and Nikon D7100? Lol.
And please cut the "bulky" silliness as a Con. It's a prosumer DSLR appropriately sized to handle well in the field with fast glass and zooms. Sigh.
Lastly, DPR had no right to delete my previous post, this is a free country and I'm giving my opinion which is echoed throughout this page.
@Rishi "You're right: it is a free country. Which has nothing to do with our website."
With that "like it or lump it" attitude, good luck with your website, web store and with staying relevant.
The fact is a prosumer DSLR is not a mirrorless camera. A prosumer DSLR is not a pro level video camera. The constant comparisons and emphasis on features and design choices that are mostly insignificant to the majority of DSLR enthusiasts does not reflect the wants and needs of your readers who happen to be DSLR shooters.
@Rishi Sanyal The fact is I made an observation in as polite terms as possible that this review and conclusion has a number of glaring inconsistencies (i.e., the D7200 is an improved version of the D7100, contains perhaps the best APS-C sensor ever made, WIFI, and received a lower rating than the D7100 and 70D, a camera that doesn't have anywhere near class leading IQ). And clearly one of the reviewers took offense and deleted my comment, even though my main points about the review score and questionable obsessing over marginally important features like LiveView AF and body size on a prosumer DSLR still camera, were echoed in many comments below. If long time readers are not allowed to analyze, criticize, and request explanations for inconsistencies across reviews, why have a comment section at all? Is the sole purpose of the comments for praise?
The D7200 has class leading IQ, (20 points higher sensor quality score the Canon 70D on one of DPR's partners, DxOMark), improved the buffer size, improved AF down to -3EV, WIFI and gets a WORSE review and award than the Canon 70D and Nikon D7100? Lol.
Guidenet: Personally, I think DPR puts way too much emphasis on Liveview and movies. This is mostly a still camera forum. I know some shoot video, but I'm not sure it's something to emphasize in cameras past a certain level. I know, Liveview is generally not very important at the higher level models. When many use Liveview it's on a tripod and/or macro work when you're looking for accuracy, not speed. For any action, it's eye-level. This is not targeted at beginners.
Maybe DPR would do well to look at their own polls. Since 2/3rd of the voters consider manual controls and interchangeable lenses the most important interest, maybe those type things should get 2/3rd of the emphasis. Since WiFi and Touch Screen have almost zero interest, maybe they and similar items shouldn't get much. Small size is a distant 3rd place. I think some might get caught up with a jaded view of what they believe is innovative without paying attention to what we want in a camera.
Agree completely. It's like they don't read their own forums. Too much Live View emphasis and too little on IQ. DxOMark has the D7200 a full 19 points better (87 to 68) than the Canon 70D in sensor rating, with the D7200 trouncing the 70D in DR, color depth and high ISO, and the 70D received a Gold Award 83%. It's laughable how an APS-C class leader with superb AF down to -3 EV can be given the mediocre Silver Award largely because of a marginally important still feature like LiveView AF.
The Fuji XT1 - terrible video, last generation 16 megapixel sensor and IQ issues like smoothing of detail and it got a Gold Award 84%. There is no consistency.
Lastly, the word "bulky" does not belong in the Cons list in a prosumer DSLR review. No way. No serious adult photographer wants to use a tiny DSLR body with typically large, fast glass. Please stop with the "bulky" nonsense. Since the D7000, the then class leader, DPR has been getting it wrong with Silver Awards.
ambercool: Why is everyone expecting so much from their cameras? If you want the perfect camera, just wait 10-12 more years and the curve will be much closer than we are now. I still have my first 5MP DSLR, and I was so excited when I got that. So every camera I've gotten after that is much appreciated.
@ambercool The NR and stepping apply to enough images to be worrisome and the overall sense of disappointment in these samples is palpable. No matter how you slice it, if early images from a highly anticipated camera do not at least equal a 5 year old GF2 or even smaller sensor cameras like the RX100, Nikon 1 or X30, people who have preordered this camera will object, and rightly so.
So objecting to NR obscuring fine detail or demosaicing artifacts like aliasing found in sample images in 2014 is called "expecting too much from your camera"? Really? Sounds like you are blaming people for expecting at least GF2 or EPL1 quality which so far we have not seen.
Do the mushy greens and heavy NR come standard? :-)
But seriously, it's all well and good to make another APS-C camera but with DSLR styling, but unless the RAW conversion issues with Lightroom are sorted (which they really aren't as of yet), it's going to be tough for RAW shooters to get excited about this body.
Doing command line RAW processing with dcraw or investing in yet another converter like Capture One is not all that appealing. Nor is shooting 8-bit JPEGs.
marike6: Locking exposure dials a la the Nikon Df? Any amount of money that DPR loves this camera and the dials from day one. :-)
Part of what makes the X cameras at least interesting is the rangefinder design, the whole poor man's Leica thing.
What is the point copying a DSLR body styling? It's has no bright Pentaprism so why the pseudo pentaprism housing?
This is a head scratcher move from Fujifilm that is for sure. No FF, just an X camera dressed up as a DSLR. Has anybody asked why?
> Do you really spend all your time shooting with your left hand on the top plate, not supporting the lens as it should be?
No but I do shoot 90% of the time tripod mounted, and shooting hand held, there is no problem at all supporting the camera with my right hand.
Besides, the Fujifilm XT-1 has the ISO dial in the EXACT same location on the left. I'm guessing this fact won't make it into a future XT1 review as a Con. :-)
But the XT1 has locking dials because Fujifilm, like Nikon, understands that photographers need to know that dials won't be inadvertently moved between exposures.
jtan163: The beginning of the end for DSLRs.
> I think Marike6 may be yabookie's wife...
Don't know who you or Yabookie is, but I do know that I already have a wife. And I also know that none of these pricey mirrorless niche cameras are a threat to DSLRs at all.
> What will bring the end of DSLR is cost
This X-T1 is going to cost near $1200, so you are talking near $2000 with the 18-55 f/2.8 or 35 f/1.4. Not exactly a frugal purchase.
Considering you can get a D610 FF for that near that price or a K-3 / D7100 for considerably less I don't see anything here that is going to change DSLR users over to the X system.
And the fact that none of the mirrorless vendors have any mindshare whatsoever with professionals, I can't imagine why anyone would assume these ILCs will mean anything at all for DSLR sales, which are still absolutely creaming mirrorless camera sales.
> don't image that's true for Samsung. Or Leica.
Samsung's camera division is close to last place in mirrorless camera sales, and Leica makes rangefinders, not mirrorless cameras (besides, Leica has but a tiny percentage of the camera market).
> We criticised it for the fact that the ISO and exposure compensation dials require a change of grip
You guys seem to be the ONLY ones who had difficulty with the changing ISO on the Df. This video shows it to be quite easy to unlock and rotate the ISO without altering your grip. Push with thumb, spin with forefinger.
You guys did a subpar effort with your Nikon Df Preview and Review. You were negative and unprofessional from day one with "the Nikon Df is silly" nonsense. And now that you are going to most assuredly characterize this new Fujifilm wannabe DSLR as some game changing retro done right camera when it has the exact same locking dials and maximum 1/4000 shutter as the Nikon Df that you criticized even before you reviewed it?
I have an X-E1 and the EV Comp dial gets inadvertently moved all the time. Like the original X100, the dial is poorly implemented. But you knew that already.
From this camera?
We keep hearing about the "end of DSLRs", but DSLRs seem to be the ONLY large sensor cameras that are selling in any numbers at all.
All of the mirrorless vendors are in deep trouble financially and there is nothing about a niche camera from Fujifilm that will change this fact at all.
Locking exposure dials a la the Nikon Df? Any amount of money that DPR loves this camera and the dials from day one. :-)
Richard Murdey: You almost feel sorry for Nikon. Almost.
Why, because of this an APS-C mirrorless? A different body style with the same X-Pro1 / X-E1 internals?
So instead of making a FF, Fujifilm is dressing up an X-Pro1 to look like a DSLR. Trust me, it's not Nikon that needs your pity.
If these are the "best of 2013" it's clearly not been a banner year for cameras.
With the EM-1 you get free shutter shock and one of the smallest sensors for any crop sensor camera. The X100s took the excellent X100 and saddled it with X-Trans RAW conversion issues, and the K-3 is an excellent APS-C camera at a time when most advanced amateurs and professionals are shooting FF.
These polls give DPR another tool for advertiser banners like "DPR Reader's Poll Best of 2103" that we see in magazines and e-commerce sites. So in a sense they symbolize the growing commercialization of this website. Content like this is ultimately tied to Gear Shop which is fine if that's the direction they want to go, but kind of a turn off for readers.
Mirrorless Crusader: Obvioiusly no coincidence that there isn't a single Canikon product that could even win its own category. Of course it doesn't help that Canikon has no idea how to do mirrorless, though it's not long they ever had a ghost of a chance to win that category no matter what they did, considering the E-M1 and A7R,
All Canikon is doing is selling cameras, while the rest of the mirrorless vendors decide how they can even stay in business.
As far as these silly polls, truth be told the D7100 blows the socks of any of the crop sensor mirrorless cameras for IQ, AF performance and video, and the modest entry level FF D610 is flat out a better camera than the A7.
These polls exist as click bait for DPR, but truth be told there was no better camera than the D800 last year and this year...ho hum, Nikon added another camera to DxOMark's Top 10 with the Df, the best performing low-light camera ever made and Canon has brought HDSLR video up to the next level with the 70D. Meanwhile, mirrorless vendors keep trying to think of more ways to make cameras smaller, less ergonomic with zero consideration about flash systems, reasonably priced lenses, super telephotos, or anything that professional or advanced amateurs need.
Coliban: Hm, i wonder why no one of these images are really sharp. I can´t see the the portraits are sharp, even in the original size and even in the pallet transporter i can´t find a really sharp zone. Shutter speed is sufficing. Is it the aperture which can´t provide this sharpness at 1.2 or maybe it is the light which is irritating the AF?
The focal point is on her nose, mouth, the eye nearest to the camera. There may be other focal points, but that's where the photographer locked focus. At f/1.2, DOF is pretty shallow that close.
But for a random snap, this image looks lovely. Nice bokeh, skin tones and it goes without saying, nice model.
Carlos Loff: Nikon - Sop the trash, launch the best cameras you can produce
Then buy a K-3 so we don't have to listen to any more whining. :-)
The D610 has much better IQ than the K-3 and the D7100 is a better all around camera if you shoot video. No moire/aliasing issues that plague nearly every DSLR except the 5D Mk III and extraordinarily good low-light ability. Lens lineup between Pentax and Nikon? I've used both systems for years. There is no comparison.
Carlos Loff: Is this the best Nikon has to show in Las Vegas ??? Trash, trash, trash - Maybe next year we have a D5375, lol - One week from now, if the D400 is not announced - I swear for the most sacred saints - I buy the Pentax K-3
Buy a D7100, D610 or D800 like the rest of us. I can't imagine why none of those bodies would suit you, but if they don't buy a K-3. Nobody cares (no offense).
Just be prepared to buy into an extremely pricey K-mount, lots of holes in the lineup, often FF prices for APS-C lenses, and lots of screw driver AF lenses badly in need of an update with zero commitment and financial resources from Ricoh to do so.