By no means am I a luddite, but having used several decent EVFs and OVFs, I can't understand why the photographers on here are so anxious to see the demise of the OVF. Is a mirror-box so large that you must do away with it? Peaking is cool, and WB preview is fine, but I would still rather actually see what the lens sees than have a representation of the image created for me. Reality is always better than virtual reality, especially when the light gets low. :-)
IcyVeins: This is a pretty unintersting lens, f/2.8 is almost never useful at such a wide angle, and the zoom range is very poor. The Sigma 8-16mm is the class of all wide angle lenses.
f2.8 is useful on any lens. Not everyone is a landscape photographer. Large aperture wides are great for low-light, street shooting , video. In fact, this is one of the most popular lenses for HDSLR video shooters, etc.
The Sigma lens is a slow, variable aperture lens. As such, I doubt it's the class of anything.
fberns: Good news.Among the mirrorless systems, I like MFT best because of the comparatively broad selection of lenses.Well... I see an affordable, light and good quality prime lens missing, why?I mean: just a plain normal 25mm with a max aperture of 1.8 or 2.0 for a price of 250 Euro or below. I'm sure that would sell very well...Come on, Tokina, come on, Tamron! :)
What wrong with the Panasonic 20 1.7. This is my most used lens on m43. The Olympus 45 1.8 is another excellent, fairly inexpensive prime that I really like.
This is great news. If they are taking requests, I've take something like the Tamron 17-50 2.8, and from Tokina, an 11-16 2.8, both with focal lengths and apertures adjusted for the m43 sensor. And a Tamron 90 macro would be great.
pvphoto: In recent time, except few minor exception maybe Nikon is just lugging behind Canon on all fields. and also behind Sony for sure. Nikon needed years to abandon 10-12MPix DSLR cameras and it happened also only because they have to keep tempo that Canon and Sony put with their 15-18 Mpix cameras. All Nikon innovation is something like: going from 6400 ISO to 12800 ISO, putting more AF points in AF sensor etc. and that kinds - nothing substantial and breakthrough.
Canon is making G1X on with 14.2 Mpix and 1,5 inch sensor, metal body and much more and sells this for 799 USD and Nikon is pretending that it is in its own world (I am NIKON) trying to sell V1with 1inch sensor - 10 Mpix (history for sure) and lens that is nothing impressive and size of Olympus for same focal rang in M4/3 for 800 USD.Probably they are not too serious but market is not place for jokes.Nikon should stop living in their own world.
Nikon "lugging (sic) behind Canon"? Have you looked a DXOMark recently. Nikon DSLRs like D3x, D3s, D700, D7000 are the absolute cream of the crop for IQ: High ISO, DR, Color Depth.
Likewise, Nikon lenses like the holy trinity - 14-24, 24-70, 70-200 are the absolute gold standard in modern SLR lenses. Canon makes great lenses, but there is no answer to these Nikkors from them or Sony. Lagging behind? Not even close.
(unknown member): In actual use the V1 is a very, very good camera. And the video is excellent. Even compared to the GH2 and the Canon 5Dmk2. It's in the same league. I find it easy to use, fast to focus, generally always on the mark for exposure and possessed of more than enough nice, sharp pixels. If you don't "get it" you probably haven't tried shooting one. It's like trying to explain the taste of chocolate to someone who's never had chocolate.
The camera can be set to increase contrast, sharpness and saturation in the Jpegs. It just takes the same practice to come to grips with settings as every other camera out there.
I agree with almost everything that you said, and think DPR missed the mark on this review. You can't compare mature systems like Panasonic that have fast primes, to the brand new N1 system. When the Nikon releases faster glass, indoor photos and shallower DOF will be just fine Try taking an indoor picture with a GF3, and kit lens. If your lucky, you'll get ISO 1600 (or 3200) on a GF3, with awful unsaturated color and brutal noise. N1 high ISO images retain their color well. N1 also has better DR range than most of the m43 cameras.
Video is quite good on the J1/V1 with nice manual exposure controls. But I have all three cameras, and it is NOT in the same league as GH2 and Canon 5D Mk II. Good video requires manual focus, which is difficult at best on the J1/V1. The codec is Nikon chose is OK, but AVCHD is superior.
Metering, AF, color rendering, and DR are all first rate with the N1. This is not the case with many of the other cameras that DPR rated higher.
marike6: I actually think DPR got this one wrong. They kind of reviewed these cameras as Advanced P&S's, and even state in Good For sections, for "soccer moms". But then they clearly subtract quite a lot for lack of external, hard buttons as if the reviewers tried to use these cameras as DSLRs.
The Nikon 1 has a fairly brilliant sensor, with excellent color depth, and very good high ISO performance. That it doesn't equal the 16mp m43 sensors of the G3 and GX1 shouldn't even be mentioned as a minus. It took Panasonic 4 iterations to produce such a sensor. Why should the smaller, first generation Nikon 1 sensor be held to this standard? Brilliant video mode, great IQ and performance. The faster glass, and prime lenses be announced soon.
Next month we'll see DPR fall all over the new Canon G1X because it has a large sensor. I predict it will get a Gold Award. The slow focus, slow f2.8-5.8 fixed zoom lens won't matter or adversely effect the score at all.
@GuptaD42 I have a GH2 and a GF2 so your preaching to the choir. But I also have a J1 and IQ with this camera is outstanding. The J1 is competitive with the GH2 in terms of still IQ, especially regarding color and dynamic range, the achilles heal of nearly all m43 cameras.
Regarding price, Nikon has been running specials on the J1/V1 since the release date, bringing the price pretty much in line with other ILC offerings.
Jokica: OK, we have read the review. Now, we can all forget the Nikon 1 system.
The oracle has spoken, has it? Sorry, I can form my own opinions, but thanks.
I actually think DPR got this one wrong. They kind of reviewed these cameras as Advanced P&S's, and even state in Good For sections, for "soccer moms". But then they clearly subtract quite a lot for lack of external, hard buttons as if the reviewers tried to use these cameras as DSLRs.
regova: Arrogance kills,................. so sorry for the employees who have to deal with the bad economy.
It wasn't solely the economy that hurt Kodak. It was their inability to adapt to the digital age. In the early years of digital, Kodak made some very nice professional DSLRs with quality sensors. I haven't the slightest idea why they couldn't use some of their expertise in this area to update their business model. A cheesy Easy Share P&S was not the right move.
Francis Carver: Gee-whiz, thanks for (almost) nothing, Sir.
"DSLRs will always stay at the top' Yamaki told us - 'the benefit of a DSLR is of course the optical viewfinder."
Interesting. Of course:
1. DSLRs will probably go bye-bye in 8-10 years time.
2. You do not have to have a mirror in a camera for it to have an optical VF. Doesn't Mr. Yamaki know this, I wonder?
Re. the SD1 -- that is probably the most crazily priced DSLR body out there at the moment. What were they thinking, for cripe's sake?Also, how about putting some VIDEO FEATURES into your cameras, like everybody else is already doing for quite some time, Sigma?
I don't understand the contempt for the DSLR by some photographers. Do people really want to be stuck with a crappy EVF that get grainy in low-light just to save a few mm in size.
Using a good OVF like the large, bright finder on my 5D is a joy to use. I agree with Mr. Yamaki that many photographers will always desire such a finder. Not sure why people are wishing for or predicting the death of the DSLR. I have 3 mirror-less cameras and other than weight, they are not nearly as nice to use as my DSLR.
Interesting camera, but for this price there are better options.
If your into video, a Canon T3i will be significantly better because you can mount some excellent lenses, including Canon 10-22, Tokina 11-16, Tamron 17-50, EF 50 1.4, etc.
If photos are your thing, a Nikon D5100 with a DX 35 1.8, and a 55-200 VR for the long end, will outperform this camera by a lot.
If you just want a snapshot camera, an Olympus XZ-1 is much cheaper, smaller, has great IQ, and a much faster lens.
If Canon puts this same sensor in an ILC, that's a different story, as then you'll have the option of mounting faster glass.
D1N0: Seems to be a great lens and a good sensor. Too bad it has such a wide DOF.
A camera with a sensor this size won't have "wide DOF". These samples, except for the statue of the aviator, don't really show off the shallow DOF capabilities of this camera, but it should do quite well in that area. Don't know if this is the rumored mirror-less from Canon, but certainly an ILC with this sensor would be interesting. Knowing that Canon likes to play things kind of safe, I'm not sure we'll see an ILC and new lens line to go with it. I hope I'm wrong though.
mpgxsvcd: Great they made an exclusive camera even more exclusive. I actually think that making a "black" camera is a more useful thing than making a fixed prime lens camera.
I never understood what the apeal of this camera was in the first place. Atleast it looks good in black now.
A beautiful metal camera with excellent IQ: What not to understand?
mpgxsvcd: So how does the “power zoom” work for these lenses if there is no power zoom switch? I guess the GH3 will have a zoom lever like a compact camera that controls the electronic zoom?
If you watch a lot of well done, professional caliber videos, say on Vimeo, you almost never see anyone zoom WHILE filming. Nothing screams amateur more than the old camcorder zoom-in shot. So I am hoping Panasonic doesn't waste time implementing a "power-zoom" switch on the GH3. 1080/60p, uncompressed HDMI out like the D4, yes. Power-zoom rocker, please no.
Jens_G: Meh. That 12-35/2.8 is basically equivalent to the Nex kit lens. It has the same physical aperture as a f/3.5 on APS.
@Matthew Miller I was responding to those who are incorrectly saying the new 12-35 2.8 is like the NEX kit lens in terms of aperture. It is not.
f.3.5 only in APS-C in terms of depth-of-field. It's still as bright as any f2.8 lens.
Patrick Murphy-Racey: Just give me an M mount and I'll be happy...
Fuji Pro1X139.5 (W) x 81.8 (H) x 42.6 (D) mm5.5 (W) x 3.2 (H) x 1.7 (D) in
NEX-711.99 x 6.69 x 4.28 cm4.72 x 2.63 x 1.69"
That's gargantuan? In what alternate reality can a 5 x 3 x 1.5 inch body be considered large?
Re: M-Mount lenses: I guess you didn't see the test at Steve Huff's website where M-Mount wides performed so horribly on the NEX-7.
How could you possibly know that the NEX 7 is "better in every respect"? If this new Fuji has the IQ of an X100, it will be awesome image maker. Fuji has been making outstanding optics for years for large and medium format cameras. These new lenses should be better in every way than Sony's incredibly huge, mediocre glass. Sony has exactly one decent lens: the CZ 24 1.8 which is $1000 USD. So it doesn't have hipster appeal or native lenses. And until Sony starts actually shipping more than a few NEX-7s, all it has is vaporware.
Stanny1: I'm not impressed. Let's see. I buy an expensive prime lens. Then I get the wide-angle converter. Now I have a 22mm? Wow. I put the Sony WA converter ($90.00) on my NEX-3 with 16mm lens ($499) and get 18mm. Sounds like a sensor size mistake. Remember, Panasonic was early into the hybrid game.Sony learned from Panasonic and Olympus as pioneers. Let's hope Canon learns from Nikon's mistake on sensor size with their hybrid. Or Olympus may go BK like Kodak. Today's camera's are more into electronics than lenses anymore. Traditional camera companies like Canon and Nikon have to play catch-up now. It's similar to how Mercedes and BMW have had to play catch-up to Lexus in the electronics dept.
@Stanny1 wrote: "Let's hope Canon learns from Nikon's mistake on sensor size with their hybrid."
What mistake was that.? My Nikon 1 sensor performs great, much better than my GF2, and up there with my GH2. In fact the Nikon 1 sensor is holding it own, or out performing most of the larger m43 sensor available. Mistake? Also, the N1 is a huge seller, with great IQ. So the only mistake is when people dogmatically and absolutely equate sensor size with image quality.
Nikon and Canon playing catch up? That's funny, considering that they are the only two companies that make professional SLRs, and make the best cameras and lenses outside of independents like Zeiss and Leica. My goodness, the things I read on the boards.
mycle: i am waiting so long for a conversion lens for my 20mm pancake or a new prime 40 or 45mm, but nothing. any informations of panasonic releases for 2012...?
Why not just buy the Olympus 45 1.8? It's really superb. Small, lightweight, cheap, sharp, really good bokeh, and pretty much silent AF. If there ever was a no-brainer in a lens, the Oly 45 is it. Nice compliment to the 20 1.7.