1shot: Yea, now I can buy a camera that crashes and freezes at the most inopportune times and just generally sucks.
Dumb Nikon sheep!
Lets hope not. I guess this version of android will be optimized for use in the camera. On the bright side, at least there will be tonnes of photo-manipulation apps on Google Play. I could forgive the very occasional freezing for the flexibility that android offers.
Nmphoto: A good photographer can take a good photo with anything. All you people who think you need the best gear, get ready to hang your heads in shame.
I am compelled to agree with Nmphoto actually. Regardless of the gear you use, understanding their limitations is the first step to knowing what you can achieve with your equipment. I think Nmphoto was being general when he said you could take good pictures with 'anything'.
Photo_AK: Setting the same score to two competative cameras?
DPR, do you know what the term CREDIBILITY means?
Google it ...
@ZAntonMaybe DPreview is trying to be politically correct here. This Canon vs. Nikon issue, with both Canon and Nikon users at each other's throats, could get pretty messy. I guess DPreview is trying to bring 'balance to the force'. Cameras, like cars, are just tools, with some bells and whistles ;)
I've been following DPreview for years, but only joined recently, and this is the first time I noticed much commotion about the scoring. I prefer to go straight to the image samples page, download a couple of full-sized samples, and examine them personally.
Just for humor's sake, a KIA with a Mercedes engine won't make many drivers very excited =)
rusty_shooter: wow I'm just totally surprise by how many folks shoot in JPEG mode and not RAW. personally I would never shot in JPEG with a camera of this caliber. mainly because I want maximum control over my images. but you know that just me, from what I see from the review I better start gathering up some cash, haha. I've been waiting for this camera for a long time and I'm glad I built up an L collection.
I have to agree with Kane. The Jpeg engines of most cameras these day do a fantastically wonderful job if you get most of the work done (composition etc) before you release the shutter. I shoot 99% of the time in Jpeg mode and only occasionally in Raw when I need to get the best results, in terms of dynamic range, for example. As much as I would like to think that laziness is the cause for some (or most? please enlighten me) people to choose Jpeg over Raw, I think shooting 100% of the time in Raw makes little economic sense IF you are in the business of constantly moving around and taking pictures. I would also like to point out that shooting in Jpeg could mean spending less time in front of the computer, and more time out in the field, taking real pictures.
The scoring is subjective. What the 5D MIII lacks when compared with the D800, it makes up for it in other areas. The same is true for the D800.
wkay: P/S type compostions, could take this with any camera. Looks like someone walked around town randomly waving the camera. Like most DP sample images, it seems noone can figure out how to get any colors besides brown and gray in their images. When do we get a decent A-B comparison with %D2
Don't you think that kind of statement is a bit uncalled-for? I'd feel insulted if it was me taking the photos. There are plenty of other websites to compare sample images by the way. Thanks Barney for the pictures. Great work.
I didn't think think the ISO was that bad. In fact, it seems that at ISO6400, the images are still very usable. Despite my D7000's so-called 'high ISO' performance, I seldom find it necessary to shoot above ISO 2000. So in the case of the picture above, you could use a stabilized lens and handhold at 1/40 seconds, using ISO 3200 instead. I suppose it is not the way to 'freeze' action, but I would choose the D800's dynamic range over a lot of other things. Canon did a good job this time round, but is it the highlights having a tendency to blow out or is it just me?
the M3's Jpeg does seem to be slightly 'smudgy'. Heavy-handed noise reduction? I'm not sure. Shooting in raw would probably the best way to get the best image quality from Canon's sensor, but not everyone wants to shoot raw. I'm not a Canon user, and I would like to ask; does Canon's default sharpening seem a bit on the strong side? On the other hand, Nikon's jpegs tend to be a bit on the softer side.
GiovanniFoto: i am so amazed at how a 36mp can look this good at 3200iso.. i did notice that the 24-70mm lens looked the best.. i was not happy with the 16-35mm.. you can tell the 24-70 really mates the d800. beautiful pictures ! i got mine on preorder with B&H but i doubt ill be seeing one any time soon. i was thinking of buying a d700 to hold me over but these photos are making me sick lol honestly after looking at this pictures.. u just wanna smash any other camera on the ground and step on it lol
hard to believe the ISO is 3200. I cannot even imagine shooting with that ISO in the D7000. I normally shoot at ISO 2000. If I need to shoot anything higher than ISO2000, I just don't shoot, haha.
copajaus: After looking at those shots,the advantages (And disadvantages...) of a high pixel count are obvious.For me cropping is the most important point and the possibilities with 36mp are pretty good.Not sure in low light though, but that's predictable.Let's keep in mind that those pictures are taken without really knowing the camera well, meaning potentially every shot could be a lot better.I think the D800 is well priced if we evaluate its capabilities. On the other end, the Canon EOS-5D mk3 is $500 to expensive... and I am a Canon man.Both are great camera but let's not forget that the photographer vision is the most important thing... not the photographic gears.To conclude, "Bravo" to Nikon and Canon for moving the SLR technology 1 step further in the right direction.
Well said copajaus. I cringe when people say they buy 'new gear' to take better pictures. After looking at their photos, I think they are just wasting their money. You are absolutely right about the 'photographer vision'. I think all these senseless ramblings about which brand is better is just to justify the investment they have made with their systems. It's a sort of 'self-assurance' thing. Both Canon and Nikon are excellent brands and both are equally good. The choice of one over the other is based on personal preference. For me, I prefer Nikons for how they position the mode dials as well as the position of the ISO and metering buttons. That's just me. :)
draculavn: high resolution brings big but low quality photos. That's D800 will do
I didn't think the D800 fared that bad. I studied the full-resolution samples and I was totally stunned. I was a bit skeptical about the camera when the 5D MkIII's high ISO samples were released, but then I realized that the image quality at high ISO (plus high pixel density, perhaps?) depends on the lighting quality. I own a D7000 (my first DSLR) and I am very happy with the low-light and high ISO image quality, but the D800, despite the pixel density and pixel size being only slightly larger than the D7000, performs remarkably well. Thumbs up to Canon as well for their 5D MIII. The more intense the competition between the two, the better the cameras will be. For me, I'm sticking with Nikon =)
Biowizard: To me the D800 genuinely does enter into former "Medium Format" territory. Seriously amazing detail in that shot!
I agree with you Brian. I cannot understand why there are some people who get so critical of the high resolution coming at the expense of noise levels. I own a D7000 and I can conclude that the D800, despite having pixels that are only slightly larger than the D7000, fares of significantly better. More pixels means a wider latitude for doing post processing. =)
Gasman66: The samples are no better, and no worse than I would expect. But don't get me wrong - this is one superb camera. I have been a Canon user for 30 years and this is a Nikon that would make me switch allegiance - were it not for my array of EF lenses (which I believe is better than Nikon's, both individually and as a range). The D800 is not badly priced in my view, ergonomically looks excellent (another Nikon forte) and they've also acknowledged that built in flash is occasionally useful for those of us who venture outside the studio.
All kudos to Nikon for this one - I think it trumps the 5D MkIII.
I don't think Canon lenses are any better than Nikon ones. I shoot both Canon and Nikon and it is hard to tell the difference. Comparing Nikon to Canon would be like comparing apples to, well, apples. I think at the end of the day it depends a lot on the subtleties. For me personally, I prefer Nikon's menu layout and shutter/aperture dial locations. To be overly critical of either brand would be missing the whole point. People take pictures, not cameras.