john Clinch: I don't suppose Fuji will mind too much. Surely in terms of actually sales the X100T must be the leader here. The x100 sort of defines the sector
There must a few people who are prepared to loose out on ergonomics and pay for wall size printing potential. But most people will surely not expect their carry around camera to need 42Mp or cost that much
It seems a bit like a car review magazine concluding that a Ferraro is faster than a 3 series BMW. It is, but most people will happily save cash and go for practicality
Androole, fair enough, but the OVF/EVF of the Fuji is quite a substantive functional benefit, imho!
Yes, noir, which is why the other competitions had a price differentiator. Nothing wrong with recommending, say, a sub $1,500 cam and an unlimited cam, vice two unlimited cams.
I was thinking more along the lines of a Mazda MX-5 compared to a Porsche Boxter.
Hard to reconcile this statement, "...but there's currently nothing to touch it [X100T] in terms of the size/price/image quality balance it offers and the style with which it does so, with the recommendation at the end.
Baypicker: Am I the only one that doesn't understand this 'Roundup' and top picks? Most of the Roundups here at DPReview seem to have their verdicts supported by the reviews. What happened here?The two top picks are FF, expensive, and seem to have some of the most egregious flaws but their image quality is 'outstanding' . The Sony is not reviewed favorably in so many areas , ergonomics, interface, wait times, and corner image softness to name but a few, and the Leica is three times the price of other cameras with banding, color breaking and poor subject tracking. I don't presently own any of these cameras. I have owned previous versions of some but have no brand loyalty and all I can say is that, just from the review here, I personally wouldn't touch the Sony. I'd love to try the Leica, and a couple of the others seem to be at least runner-up candidates.
Just what I was thinking. And the Fuji got the higher 81% overall rating than Leica's 80%.
D200_4me: I actually used to follow him on Google Plus and YouTube, but he and too many other photographers began to get on my nerves with the overly philosophical/deep thoughts ramblings about photography and what it means. I don't need to find myself in photography. I already know who I am. For me, photography is a nice relaxation and escape from my daily technical job. Same goes for my gardening hobby. These days, you see people on the social media and photography sharing sites posting photos with some deep/philosophical comments to go along with it...as if they just discovered the meaning of life in the photo they posted and we're all supposed to stop and have those deep, deep thoughts about it and be in awe of how enlightening it was. Really, people...stop trying to be a philosopher and stick to trying to make better photos. It's pretty simple.
Agree entirely. Kindly spare us from the pseudo intellectual claptrap.
Marcus Beard: I read the comments here with interest. I'm not a big fan of Trey's photography - but one has to admire how he has marketed what he does so successfully. Any yes - it is becoming a little tiresome to here repeated faux philosophy. I'd recommend seeing the truly amazing National Geographic photographers Proof videos though - a different league. https://youtu.be/6tVlMaBNkpg
Yes, I had a similar response. I enjoyed the vid and loved the photography but the rubbish philosophy about finding or creating oneself is a bit too cliche. Beauty is its own reward -- when we can capture it.
GRUBERND: although i see where this idea might be coming from,it is really pseudo-elitist nonsence.aka: post-post-modern. weird for the sake of weird.
and people will just take another shot with their phone and then swipe and tap and swipe and run into things just like everybody else who is not paying attention to their surroundings.
removing the screen on a digital camera neither makes you a better photographer nor a better person, it just shows that you dont have a clue about photography. at all.
I'd like the price lowered, actually.
Advent1sam: The best mirrorless for fast action is the Fuji xpro-2 according to mirrorlessonshttp://www.mirrorlessons.com/2016/04/06/fujifilm-100-400mm-review/You can also use the ovf much like a red-dot sighthttp://www.mirrorlessons.com/2016/03/30/fuji-x-pro2-ovf-birds-in-flight/Unlike the a6300 the fuji also supports uhs-ii sd has a deeper buffer and quicker refresh/write with the faster card, has better overall iq and is weather sealed, it also has a very nice native 100-400 lens for the system, unlike Sony.
One quibble, the A6300 is weather sealed, too.
Andrew Elliott: Another very nice production.
Were the focal lengths quoted on screen doubled for 35mm equivalence?
I’m surprised the lens model was not quoted with the info for each shot, too.I imagine this is what a lot of DP readers are interested in, also.Maybe in future productions, please?
all the best
Yes, lovely work and interesting topic.
A small quibble that there wasn't more about the camera, the challenges of shooting in low light, etc.
Perhaps a separate, accompanying slide show or discussion focusing more on the Pen-F would be possible?
Atazoth: Your review was helpful...however, I am annoyed by almost every camera review I read by anybody. They almost always gloss over camera build quality. That is extremely important to determining quality and value. This camera (unlike just about any mirrorless camera) is designed to be used every day. The weather sealing, magnesium body and I assume internal components such as shutter construction etc are (or should be) more durable than average cameras that cost less. It is not all about features and image quality. The Nikon D5500 has a great image sensor but if a working professional tried to use it, it probably wouldn't last long. That's is the main reason for the D810 and the D5. Not features! Tell me about the shutter mechanism and internal component build!
I think similarly about build quality. I note the X-Pro 2 and the Leica Q got the same rating from DPR on build quality. I'm a bit suspicious of that. A bit of elaboration on that point would have been useful. Esp. so, because most of us cannot touch these cameras in the metal before purchasing.
bluevellet: sony: best selling mirrorless camera of all time... so let's not support it with any kind of new accessories and lens and other stuff that makes an interchangeable lens camera... an interchangeable lens camera. Still want to use something else than the kit zoom? Here, have some overpriced, oversized FF lenses.
Try the voigtlander primes. Good for the money. I really like focus peaking, you may as well.
Retzius: Those look nice. Its interesting that although these are lenses for 'mirrorless' cameras they look pretty much the same size as dslr lenses. The purported size and weight saving seems nonexistent.
I don't disagree with any of that, Anders. Just making the point that after all this time we finally have Sony lenses that we can compare directly and that size/weight advantage for mirrorless looks moot. BTW, I'll trade you that 200g for 3x the battery life. Horses for courses....
Yes, actually, they look bigger than the equivalent Canikon. That cheering you hear in the background is Canikon using this vid to market their own products. Size weight advantage to mirrorless? Doesn't look like it on FF, apples to apples comparison. Check this out:http://camerasize.com/compact/#312.286,624.515,ha,t
SmilerGrogan: Seeing this video made me feel so sorry for the women who have to pose In the booths and have their pictures taken all day by sweaty middle aged douchebags. They should outlaw that practice.
It's better than 90% of the jobs in the service economy. Beats McDonalds...
I didn't have much luck with gadget. Hard to stop it, at least on my computer. Not worth the effort, imho.
Malikknows: Wow, I just purchased a new A6000 last week for an upcoming trip. Had to laugh (and cry on the inside a bit) when I saw Sony just released its replacement. Usually I go for the newest/bestest just to have it last longer in the end. In any event, after reading this article, I don't feel too bad. Video not important, IBIS neither, to me. That ruggedized body, though, will be missed.
All in all, will Sony sell both versions side by side as they've done with the RX100 series? Wouldn't surprise me as the price of the A6300 seems a bit steep for the level of improvement offered, imho.
$1000 for the body is a 100% increase. Not trivial, and it changes this camera's potential market. $500 for such a capable A6000 always seemed an extraordinary bargain. $1000? Not so much. YMMV.
Wow, I just purchased a new A6000 last week for an upcoming trip. Had to laugh (and cry on the inside a bit) when I saw Sony just released its replacement. Usually I go for the newest/bestest just to have it last longer in the end. In any event, after reading this article, I don't feel too bad. Video not important, IBIS neither, to me. That ruggedized body, though, will be missed.
Kudos to DPR for taking the opportunity of the Pen F to discuss aesthetics and camera design. I value good design and aesthetics and will pay for it.
papa natas: ok, let's see about "BEST"SONY a6000: puny screen pixel count for it's price and hoopla.NIKON D5500: so, but so poor video quality.FUJI X-T10: I no LONGER look at FUJI as a serious camera manufacturer ever since that horror story about FUJI laughing at customers who were trapped with their X-10 model "ORBS"Camera manufacturers stopped being COMPETITIVE about 10 years ago.All they offer & sell now is NOVELTY and LIMITED over priced progress.PHOTOGRAPHY is a religion.Camera manufacturers are the sects.
I'd like the time I spent reading your post back.
nicoboston: Surprisingly [or not], there's nothing about the build quality and the durability of these cameras. They are supposed to be "pocketable", so we should be able to take them everywhere without special precautions. I have purchased 2 "G" Canon in the past: G2 in 2001, G10 in 2008. 14 (!!!) and 7 years later, respectively, both cameras work perfectly and have only minor scratches.
In contrast, my X30 went back to Fujifilm for repair twice and has now a loose hot shoe :-(
I do not have a Sony, but I know that RX100s have quite notorious reliability and durability issues. They have certainly brilliant studio performance, however I do not live in a studio.
Sadly, reliability and durability are not even discussed in your roundup.
This an excellent point. Also a good value for money discussion would be good.