PerL: Why does the dynamic range in the 8 fps live view sample (boxing sequence) look so bad (blown out whites)? Does the quality go down in serial shooting or is it just a sample of general bad dynamic range in EVFs?
@Rchard ButlerThanks, that explains it.
One can see how the DR in the Live View changes the moment the sequence shooting starts.One question is who filmed it - DPReview or Sony?
Why does the dynamic range in the 8 fps live view sample (boxing sequence) look so bad (blown out whites)? Does the quality go down in serial shooting or is it just a sample of general bad dynamic range in EVFs?
The camera look nice for sure, but I cant avoid to feel that there is a little bit of unsound fetischism here.
A bad sign IMO. Increasing prices seems to be an attempt to counterbalance the impact of lacking demand on profits. But the result may be the opposite, lower sales, even less profit.If the market was booming, it would be different matter, but now it seems to be folding.And fans of other brands should not be happy about this … it is a sign for the whole camera business.
It reminds of the Nikon Df. Looks very nice, but seems overpriced. The retro concept is milked to much.
JohnHoppy: Pushing the boundaries of DSLR? - DSLR maybe, but photography has been travelling since 2009, CaNikon are on the CaNikon bus while photographers worldwide are getting on the mirrorless bus to see boundaries pushed. Nikon says, "WE ARE the future!" Does anyone believe that?
surlezi,The "slideshow effect" - that EVFs struggles to show a real time live view at the highest fps - occurs even in good light.
surlezi,You understand the context here? We are talking about sports and action cameras. You know that you need a fast shutter speed to stop action? If the light is enough for a fast shutter speed, you can see perfectly in an OVF.
They just showed what is common knowledge - that EVFs stutter, the "dreaded slideshow effect" when shooting at the fastest fps with EVFs, while the view in the OVF is perfectly stable and works at the speed of light. Remember, this is about professional cameras for action.
A77 has an EVF which is a drawback for cameras in this segment as Nikon clearly demonstrated and talked about in the presentation.
Sport and action which these cameras are designed for does not take place where the light is so low that you cant see in an OVF. In that kind of darkness you cant even handhold a shot.
Nikon knows. They showed a side by side comparison that showed the superiority of an OVF during an action sequence at the presentation of the cameras. As they said on an earlier occasion. "This is formula One - we cant have second best solutions".
The upgrade path from APS-C is not a myth in my view. Take a lens like 70-200 2.8. It is quite an investment and as a fast lens for sports or allround for portraits and low light shooting, and as a base for using teleconverters, it is very useful on both formats. 70-200 or 105-300 eqv.Or take an 85 1.8. On an APS-C it is close to the classical 135 mm (127 mm eqv) and on FF it is the classical 85 of course. Both very useful. Being in the same system with the same mount, often same batteries, chargers, flashes is also very convenient.
If you aim to make the best camera in this segment you need to use the currently best technology. And that is what Nikon does. Maybe mirrorless will catch up some day, although getting the electrical viewfinder to display the natural DR of the scene, or work at the speed of light seems to be difficult.
Frank_BR: Interestingly, the Nikon D500 has just been released, but in several important specifications it is surpassed by the Sony A77 II, which was launched nearly two years ago. For example:A77II x D500----------------1) 12fps x 10fps2) 24MP x 21MP3) Fully x Partially articulated LCD 4) Yes x No built-in flash5) 640g x 860g6) $1199 x $1997
Before someone raises the issues of build quality and reliability, remember that both cameras have magnesium bodies and are weather-sealed. There are no reports about serious problems of reliability for the A77II and nobody knows about the D500 reliability yet.
1. EVFs currently doesn't cut it on this level.2. The AF-C is likely to be much more advanced on the D500.3. The high ISO is likely to be much better.4. The buffer is much larger on the D500.
Fri13: Nikon really has dropped the ball. The have given strong signals about their incapability use latest technology to improve their users capabilities get the shot.
1) The EVF lag they mention is in good EVF negligent to even best reaction times. The only real "limitation" is the missing live view but with 10-15fps you don't really need one unless subject is moving from frame side to side like in mogul skiing, but then you can always use tracking and problem is solved totally. The OVF is huge limitation in low lit scenery or bright lit scenery and EVF wins, until you hit to -20C and EVF slows down!
2) The incapability call digital stabilization as is, instead they fool their customers to think that "electronic stabilization" is somewhat lossless. OIS and IBIS are electronical stabilization, but not digital ones.
3) D5 and D500 are not going to be updated for years, strong signal that mirrorless variant isn't coming. That means Nikon users need to wait 3-5 years to get better changes.
@Fri13For being an old top sports shooter (if that was what you are saying) you state some odd things, IMO at least. That the jerkiness of EVFs at top fps doesn't matter - why put up with it if you dont have to? The low DR of the EVF is also an issue. Why the fixation of EVFs in a camera of D5 calibre, when both AF and viewfinder performance is worse?Shooting with sight and rifle stock? A good photographer wants to see what he shoots. A 300 F4 om m43 is the same as a 600 F4? Have you seen how the pros works with subject isolation?Yes, you can get good shots with inferior gear, but why would a pro want to do that?
Nikon works with the best sports/action photographers in the world – those who covers the Olympics and similar events – when they develop these cameras. I think they know a thing or two about AF and viewfinder behavior.
One interesting thing at the presentation of the D5 and D500 is that they put some time in demonstrating (and showing with a comparison video) why an OVF is better than an EVF for this kind of cameras. (A video of the introduction was showed on Nikon Rumors).
curiousmike1300: Can I get excited about the AF module on this thing? Will we actually be able to achieve focus-accuracy parity with mirrorless... even if on just a few (one) focus points?
Get excited about anything you want... but the AF on this guy has tickled my fancy.
Judging from the press conference the AF system is an action shooting monster - it will probably be way above any mirrorless system - for things that moves.
tecnoworld: Thanks for your boldness in choosing such an underrated camera as your camera of the year.
NX1 is easily the best camera on the market with an ASPC (or smaller sensor). It's even better than most (all?) FF cameras for 4k video up to 800-1600 ISO and on par with the best FF in IQ for stills up to 1600 ISO. And it's as fast or faster (AF and burst) than 1dx and d4s.
The problem is that ppl simply ignore. Ignore the fact that it's so good. And if they read this, they laugh. Because they prefer to continue ignoring.
I read a shooters report of NX1 performance for sports.http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx1/samsung-nx1-field-test-part-i.htmEVF, timing and AF issues with mirrorless still makes DSLRs the best choice for action it seems.