artnaz: Can someone tell me how is life for Sony FE users regarding remote flashes? I have been using Nikon's CLS, Phottix Odin, Pixel King Pro (and a bit Canon RT), but I have no idea how it is for Sony...
I am seriously considering selling my beautiful Nikon gear and buying this Sony, but the flashes are very important for my portrait photography!
Sony does have a flash system, and at least on the SLT (DSLR style) bodies it supports wireless via optical with TTL and HSS.It's not the best flash system, far from it. And I know that without even using Canon or Nikon's before. But it is somewhat capable and does work, and is pretty easy (at least on the DSLRs / SLTs)The hotshoe on the body will take an ISO standard trigger. But the flashes will not fit in most cold shoe / stands due to the pins on the front of the connector they've added, you'd need specific stands / cold shoes for them.
Cipher: Canon and Nikon execs aren't going to be sleeping very well tonight.
Well, it sounds like it's advertised to deliver solid performance with the LE-EA3 and an SSM lens like the 70-400G. So it's shouldn't be that hard to find good telephoto glass and a adapter to make it work. Now if only I could track and focus on bats... Never mind, not interested. But since you seem stuck on tracking quick objects in low light, the only bat photos I've seen posted on DPR were from a guy with a M43 mirrorless. Guy that posted claimed that with a DSLR, you'll loose enough light on the mirror and prism in the OVF you'll never even see it.
ptox: What's the downside to the electronic shutter? -- I assume there is one, or why would they bother with a mechanical shutter as well?
@Wally626, At least on the Sony APS-C E mount camera I have (and can't imagine why it would be different), the aperture adjusts as you change the setting. It doesn't stop down via a spring as the picture is taken like a DSLR.
at $3200 a body, there's gotta be a lot of profit built into these. It's little brother is less than half that... If they sell as fast as the comments here indicate they might, Sony's likely to hold onto that money for a while before sharing the new sensor tech with third parties (i.e. Nikon). And when sales do slow down, there's probably a lot of room for competing "on price". Canon oughta be terrified of that idea.
cgarrard: It would be very interesting to re-visit the overall numbers when Mirrorless cameras can match or exceed the continuous AF performance of the big DSLR brands.
Sony adding pro support to the overall package has helped appeal as well. But they know, and need to work on, a greater lens line up for the system to stay in first position.
Its a heated race.
"And im wondering cplunk, could you link the data on that 90% of amateur's photos?"I just made it up.But go look at flickr, any other photo site, and look at the percentage of photos of buildings, monuments and landscapes as opposed to sports. Your 4 year old daughter will sit still longer in a couple years.And I'm not aware of a DSLR that can identify and focus on a face like a mirrorless (or Sony's SLT) can, without using live view (which is going to turn their AF tracking to awful, if not altogether off).
whumber: I'll go out on a limb and say the 66% boost in mirrorless sales had something to do with Sony practically giving away A6000 and A5100 bodies during the holiday season.
"generate 66% more income from mirrorless sales"Giving things away does not generate more income.
Fabio Amodeo: First point: mirrorless (or whatever they call them) are up. True, more in Asia, quite in Europe, not so much in the USA. But still true.Second point: mirrorless are earning money. True, maybe. The industry has gone from “with these numbers next year we'll go bankrupt” to “with these nunbers we might survive”.Third point: all mirrorless are unfinished work. What they still need is a huge advance in processing power/reading speed of the sensor. Let's talk when the work is finished (if the cameras will be able to disperse the heat involved).
"Let's talk when the work is finished"It's never "finished"... Even the technology for AF and metering in film cameras was constantly improving as digital cameras came along and disrupted that. Now that technology is still being used in DSLRs and is continuing to be improved on as mirrorless come along.Once the mirrorless become as good as today's DSLRs, they won't be finished, they will continue to make them better. Just as the DSLRs will continue to get better as long as customers are buying them.So, I guess we'll never talk. Probably better that way...
Robert Holloway: I've been a Canon SLR and DSLR user for 35 years. Look at my avatar. I've used an A7 and A6000 and am now selling my entire collection of L glass through 2015 and switching.
I'm not a Canon hater or a Sony fanboy.
Canon has a huge 12 months coming up as their innovation seems to be more driven to protect the status quo and their position within DSLR. I learned in my corporate life that if fear of cannibalization is your driving force, you simply open the door for others to do it for you.
The numbers from NPD are not inaccurate. NPD tracks all sectors and is not affiliated to any one company. I'd been scoffing at Sony for years as I strutted about with my Canon and 300/2.8L IS. It's now gone and I'm another data point in this market shift.
Over recent months I've read and watched countless videos and reviews and the world of mirrorless is a fresh and very exciting place to be.
Canon makes great cameras, but Blackberry also made great phones.
I do wonder why someone would run right out and switch because they found it to be "new and exciting".When I had my blackberry I kept seeing people with their new iphones, and they sounded neat, but hey, new and exciting wasn't enough to cut it for me. And then someone let me used their phone, and it gave me a map with directions (still not turn by turn nav back then, but better than anything my bb did) and a web browser that, while not easy and fast, generally just worked. I had my new iphone at the end of the week.Switching from Canon to Sony cause it's new and exciting? Sound's downright foolish to me, even as a happy Sony user (who started in digital there after realizing my 3 ancient MF Nikon lenses weren't a good reason to get a new Nikon DSLR, and really always kinda liked Minolta better).
justmeMN: Sony Rides A Wave Of Public Relations, as web sites repeat an Official Sony Press Release, while pretending that it's objective news.
I'm remembering Canon's "something new is coming" press release that DPR likewise posted as news several months ago...And that something new turned out to be, nothing. (new marketing campaign, that looked remarkably like the old one).But, ya, this time it's Sony, so it's blasphemy!!!!
Randy Veeman: Good for Sony, but there was little competition in mirrorless this past year (nothing earth shattering). As someone said Sony has 11% of the ILC market. IIRC they had close to 8% sometime after buying Minolta. Sales or Revenue maybe higher than unit sales. I am not a big Canikon fan, but when they get serious about mirrorless, photographers will flock to them because of their history and system support. I also believe that Samsung has a strong history of bringing down Sony in electronics markets. Maybe they are not serious now, but if they do get serious, we will see the same results as the smartphone and TV markets.
From all I've seen Samsung seems to have done a brilliant job of bringing a great new camera to the market for a newcomer. But cameras aren't all electronic, optics is a major part.While Sony is far from a legend with long established expertise, they are closely partnered with one (Zeiss). And they do have some experience of there own with the camcorders, likely retained some from the deal with Minolta and are likely more capable of stealing (hiring away) engineers from other manufactures being Japanese.
The AF tracking performance on many of the high end DSLRs today is beyond what most amateurs need. Especially if they are focused on static objects. Which is probably 90% of the photographs taken by amateurs.And the mirrorless technology has long been able to meet that demand for a while now, getting better with every new camera, probably better at it than DSLRs now without the needs for micro adjustments, while they continue to improve on tracking.
ProfHankD: Ok, this is silly, or sad, or innovatively artsy, depending on how you think about it. However, the photos at the WWW site show the cell phone in the vertical orientation with every photo in the horizontal orientation. Beyond that, you'd think there would at least be something like a remote trigger built-into the hand, but no such thing is mentioned.
In sum, the idea actually has potential as a joke, art, etc., but this isn't a well-thought-out thing.... I predict we'll see a cheap, more functional, copy from China on eBay within a few months. ;-)
Even when the Chinese copy it and start trying to sell them for $10 a copy, I doubt those will sell.
Because who really wants to wander around on their vacation carrying a fake arm?
steelhead3: Bragging that these are able to use the 4d tracking of the crop sensor 77II is a joke. Where is the 99II? We all know it is coming, throw us a bone Sony and keep the A mount alive, so people will have confidence to buy these overpriced lenses.
Most of the people who believe Amount is dead and spend there time trying to convince everyone else would still believe in this no matter what Sony released, just update there "A77m2 is the last" rant to the A99m2.It seems to have taken an almost religious fervor with some, who are apparently true believers with an unshakable faith and need to save the happy Amount users from themselves.BTW, anyone see any good sales on liquidation of existing 16-35f2.8Z inventory yet? The old one's good enough for my old A99, which is good enough for me!!!
JahRastafari: Camera of the year is of course the magnificent Canon EOS 7D Mark II. With a whopping 84% review score, achieved despite a mediocre image quality from the year 2012.
Their marketing department possibly already has the "camera of the year" posters drawn up ready to print and send out to all the camera stores.Just in case it matters to someone, they'll be happy to take that money.
Peiasdf: OMG, the Olympus forum is going to mobilize like it did last year and secure all the top spots.
EDIT: hmm, not much stuff from Oly on the list. A dull year for Oly when competitors came out strong. A7S, A7 II, a6000, X-T1, NX-1, GM5. Next year there is the replacement for EM-5 so that will be exciting.
They've run enough Sony's to create "spoilers" and split up the votes on them. The A6000 and A5100 in one category and the A77II, A7II and A7S in another.
nudibranches: Idea is you will love the camera so much you will stump up $20,000 (or god knows how much) to buy it at the end of the month... :)
If that's the idea, why bother with the whole contest idea.Just have a "demo day" road trip.
spzphoto: Is there any information if the Mitros + will have any kind of cross brand compatibility?To be more specific, I would like to know if a Mitros+ for Sony can trigger a Mitros+ for Canon in manual mode or (even better) in TTL.
I already own a Mitros+ for Canon and I am thinking of getting a Sony a6000 as well. So if there is some sort of compatibility it would make my choice easier.
Sony's hot shoe can support a standard device.BUT, the foot on the flash is definitely not going to mount on anything else. And to support TTL on these units, I can't see how they could to that without adding the extra tab on the front of the "foot" to contact with the extra pins on the shoe. So, I'd think it's a safe bet that these flashes won't even physically mount properly on anything but a Sony MI shoe.And, will likely have issues mounting even in most cold shoes on light stands.
aris14: Ι hate proprietary flash shoes...
There is an industry standard define by International Organization of Standards (ISO 518). This is apparently not publicly distributed for free, but common belief is that it defines the size of the shoe and only a single pin electrical contact in the middle, with a ground on the sides. All this supports is physical mounting, and sync.Sony's multi-interface shoe fully support that standard.Nikon and Cannon, and just about everyone else also supports that. But all have added onto it for various reasons, power saving, TTL and HSS to name a few. But, I don't believe any of these features beyond sync is supported between any manufactures.The "foot" is an whole different story, and Sony does use a proprietary foot on flashes. They will not fit on any other manufactures shoe without taking a grinder to it. And I'm quite sure that foot is used on these new Phottix units, they would have to use it to support TTL.
The Sony MI shoe does support the "standard". It is of the correct dimensions, ignoring the extra pins in the front that do not interfere. And, it has the pin in the middle and the ground on the edge to fire any "standard" device.Of course, those extra pins in the front are what allows it to support TTL, GPS, WIFI, etc. (HSS?) which are all proprietary on any shoe.
Maverick_: This is when Bullsh*t hits reality. Granted consumers are idi*ts, but they aren't that dumb!
There are smart consumers and dumb consumers.
Guess which ones have enough money to afford one of those cameras they were "designing"?