topstuff: For people looking to buy a camera for sport or action shooting, this camera looks excellent.
BUT, so does the Sony A77 Mk2. And the Sony is attractively priced as well as having the lenses most people are likely to need.
DPR really should give users a proper, informed opinion of both of these important cameras. DPR have not provided enough of a review of the A77Mk2 and I think they should do so asap.
Given that these two cameras occupy the same spot in the market, I think many people would find a proper comparison very helpful.
Come on DPR. Stop procrastinating. This comparison begs to be done asap.
Get on with it. :)
Thanks, yes I saw that. It seems the AF is very close but slightly favours Canon while the Sony has a better sensor and IQ. Fair enough. I don't think it takes into account the Sony firmware upgrade though.
For people looking to buy a camera for sport or action shooting, this camera looks excellent.
topstuff: Impressive AF capabilities. That is the unique benefit of this camera. But I think the appeal ends there.
I am surprised at how easily pleased the Canon faithful appear to be however.
The sensor performance of this camera is, at best, average. It is as if the 7D2 has been ready to launch for 3 years or so but Canon have only now gotten round to it.
Given the might of Canon, people should expect more. As long as they don't, then Canon will happily sell people want they want even if it is out of date.
In the short term it must be great for Canon. They get to sell lots of boxes with only incremental improvement and investment in updating the tech. And their faithful users don't seem to mind.
Dynamic range seems to be the weakness. They've fixed the banding problems that can afflict other Canon cameras, but others like the D750 with its additional DR, serve to show how far behind Canon have fallen.It is disappointing that they haven't invested in their sensors. On the other hand, who knows, maybe they have a range of next-generation sensors coming and this 7D2 is nothing more than a stop gap to shift some more boxes in the meantime?
Impressive AF capabilities. That is the unique benefit of this camera. But I think the appeal ends there.
Does it have a silent electronic shutter option like the A7S or does it still have the shaky, clattering shutter action of the old A7R?
topstuff: To me, it looks like something from the last decade.
I know its got killer AF and the BIF guys will love it, but to anyone who doesn't need the sports/BIF AF capability, its just a big heavy brick with average IQ, IMHO.
Turntables arent popular at all. About a million vinyl records sold in 2013 compared to billions of downloads. The turntable renaissance is a very small, niche thing - in camera terms, it is like a resurgence in using 10 / 8 glass plate cameras.
I know the camera is a big deal in APSC - but thats like saying everyone wants to be a winner in ice dancing. Its cool - but not many people care.
Unless you really need ultra fast AF and the crop factor to shoot BIF or sports, there really is no need for anyone to want this camera.
By all means buy one - but this puppy is going to come down in price a lot IMO.
After all, how many sports and BIF shooters are there? And once they've got a 7D2, who else would pick one over a FF alternative at a similar price?
So this has the IQ of a Nikon D750 in a much smaller package and a great EVF.
Whats not to like?
If Sony expand the lens range ( a fast 35mm prime please ) this would be perfect.
I wish my D810 had an EVF. Maybe the 2nd generation A7 is the answer.
I think the A7 was always worth waiting for the 2nd generation.
To me, it looks like something from the last decade.
What is about a Leica article that brings out the usual comments focused on the price?
And why doesn't this happen with other consumer goods - such as cars?
An Audi shares much of its components with a VW, yet people proudly spend the extra money for, essentially, the same product..
How many people complaining about Leica are at the same time making the opposite judgment about the car they drive?
It is not ironic that someone with an Audi A3 may complain about the price of a Leica? Surely, wouldn't they be smarter if they just bought a Golf?
Leica - Audi - whats the difference?
I think the person who buy this will also own a gold plated Kalashnikov.
Seems like the 7D2 is a worthy improvement over the old 7D.
I shared her dislike of the old 7D. A big, clattery, brick of a camera with too much noise ( of both kinds ). I never got on with them.
topstuff: This seems like a camera from another era.
Huge and heavy. Average image quality. Only saving grace is probably class leading AF. Now that is great if you are really into shooting sports or birds flying around, but for everyone else this camera seems a colossal waste of time and money.
I don't doubt we will see people wandering around Disney with these things.
Canon will sell plenty of these people who just want a big fancy camera. They'll pretend in their minds that they are just the same as the guys at sports events with the big white lenses, figuring if its good enough for them, its good enough for me.
But for anyone who doesn't shoot sports or birds, this camera is a huge let down simply because it seems from another generation. Cameras like the Samsung NX1 show what technology is bringing down the line with next-gen sensors, 4K stills etc etc. Canon have chosen to deny their customers this stuff. I think that is a shame.
...Oh.... and he finds it simply amazing how people are so emotionally invested into inanimate consumer electronic equipment that will be obsolete in a few years time. :)
Hes a private guy who thinks Canon is holding itself back and wants to see them hit something out of the park for once. He gets bored watching the market leader offer nothing more than "just good enough" products when they have the financial means to advance photography considerably, but choose not to.
He runs a publishing firm and sees the output from pro shooters using all the gear imaginable. He can lay his hands on any gear he wants. He went into publishing because he was only an average photographer. And he learned the hard way shooting film with a Nikon FM2 and lurking in a darkroom.
He gets bored easily and shoots personal photos for himself and no-one else. He has no desire to be defined by the gear he chooses and cares nothing about brands.
He doesn't usually speak in the third person.. ;)
Totally understand that it is Canon and Nikon that monopolise the lens range. If you need specialised lenses, thats where you have to go. It just bugs me that Canon seem to be abusing that position - knowing full well that they have a captive market, even if they don't put too much effort into improving their cameras. The 7D2 is nothing more than an incremental improvement over the very old 7D. It seems a cynical exercise is giving us "just enough" to remain loyal. Canon could offer a lot more than this but they choose not to. Thats all I'm saying. :)
If you guys could look through something other than your Canon-tinted lenses, you would see that BIG things are happening in the world. Samsung have next-generation side lit sensors of APSC size with the potential for new levels of high ISO performance, Nikon are offering embarrassingly superior sensor performance in terms of dynamic range, M4/3 sensors are now as good as Canons APSC etc etc. 4K tech can allow you to simply take stills from a moving image at decent resolution. It is all very exciting stuff.
Canon is the market leader. The IBM. The General Motors. The one with the resources and the deep pockets. And they aren't adapting. I am disappointed that Canon aren't giving us better gear than this. I am disappointed that of all the game changing stuff that is happening, Canon are not involved.
They have the means to really blow us away with amazing improvements and they are choosing not to.
This seems like a camera from another era.
This is what happens when they let western marketing people take over. I bet this was conceived and created in California.
It is something Ehrlich Bachmann would have said.
All we need now is for Canon to say that they "can make the world a better place".
Scorehound: For those people who are trashing this camera, I have to wonder why. From my experience with the original 7D, at least from my perspective this camera takes the good points of the 7D and makes an already great camera better. Built in Intervalometer, 65 cross type AF points, Dual Digic 6 processors, 10fps shooting, Dual card slots, and the list goes on.
Why is it that when Canon releases a camera people on here complain about what it doesn't have, then when Canon gives them what they want they whine about something else? This camera is going to be very popular, especially among those who have experienced the 7D and have drooled over the thought of an upgrade to it. I for one am one of those people. And for $1800, what the hell is the problem?
I think that is true to an extent. But the risk of this approach is that when something truly disruptive comes along, you don't ( or cannot ) respond to it and pretty soon you are dead.
Apple may lead the smartphone market - but they disrupted the market first. They also killled off the compact camera market. Apple also disrupted things with an invention many people didn't even think there was a market for - the iPad.
I see no evidence anywhere that Canon is the kind of company that will disrupt the market. Sooner or later, something will come along and change everything. I bet it wont be Canon that does it.
Adrian Harris: I have been asking for a high quality Sony A mount lens in this zoom rage for years. Sickening that they now bring a zoom out and it is only for E mount.A mount is obviously shortly to be very dead.
You should go for the Sigma 24-105 and not worry that it doesn't reach 135mm. Just crop if you have to. It really is an excellent, excellent lens. Being a little short in reach really isn't a big deal.
topstuff: I am sure that this will be an excellent camera for the sports photographer - truly it seems perfect for them.
But how many people really need a dedicated sports shooter? I would guess that plenty of people will buy this camera even if they won't use the sports abilities. That seems rather a waste.
Taking the AF and sports use aside, the rest of the camera is rather conservative IMO.
If you aren't shooting sports, I dare say the other APSC camera launch today ( the Samsung NX1) is bristling with new features and new sensor tech that for me ( I don't shoot sports ) seems much more interesting.
More evolution from Canon, while others innovate.
Inside 3 years people will be shooting video on Mirrorless and grabbing stills as they need them. Tech like this will be out of date inside 5 years. This is a great camera for your needs right now but it is little more than a stop gap.