Meh. How many people shoot pro sports?
I don't. Never will.
That's not to denigrate those who do, but it's a niche.
This is an interesting analysis but not really relevent to the majority of shooters unless they ultimately buy gear for bragging rights.
Most interesting new thing from Canon for years.
I'd almost given up on them. Great lenses but behind the curve DSLRs.
These, on the other hand, look terrific. Well done.
What a desirable camera.
I must say that I suspect the IQ from this will be simply spectacular.
Somehow, with a fixed lens and a leaf shutter optimised for that lens alone; no AA filter, zeiss designed glass and that huge sensor; I think this will perhaps have among the finest IQ of any FF camera. And it is small and portable.
Well done Sony.
Beckler8: What's the reason again for this NOT having interchangeable lenses?
This is ignorant. Some people WILL care that the shutter is inside the lens, because it is a LEAF shutter - with the all advantages tis brings, to those people who seek them.
There is therefore a perfectly good reason for this camera to exist.
I know I want one really quite badly.
These lenses just show how useless Canikon are I not providing the option of proper focusing screens. These lenses are barely usable with critical focus being so tricky. And LV on DSLR is rubbish so that's not an answer either.
What are Canon playing at ?
A professional marketing person would tell you that this PR smells a bit desperate. Canion have served the 5DS/R to a rather luke-warm response. Sony are getting all the attention.
Someone somewhere wanted to get some press, so they offer us vapour ware.
Let's see some new mainstream cams please. Something innovative.
The market would rather see innovation in the mainstream than at the fringes.
A 120mp DSLR is about as much use as a space shuttle to most consumers.
The status anxiety evident on these boards is fascinating.
A Leica test and all the haters and trolls appear. It is really weird.
It is a camera; an inaminate consumer item. It is expensive. Get over it.
FWIW, I think it is clear that for the discerning, very critical niche the Leica is aimed at , this camera is no doubt very, very , very good.
Lets just accept that for 99.9% of people on DPR, the Leica is not for them.
I have no intention of buying an F22 fast jet either. But I can recognise the engineering that went into it. It is the same here.
It is not just that the camera is a complicated and daunting thing for new users, it is also the fact IMO that the existing user base likes it that way.
The camera market is guilty of catering for the same market - essentially male, essentially North American. These people are getting older and while their money is attractive, this is not a sustainable business.
The existing market somehow thinks that a huge black camera with a 3 foot long white lens somehow is a good thing. They pursue the idea that they need this kit for image quality - when in reality most of them seldom print and often only view the images on iPad. The actual number of people who NEED full frame and massive lenses is tiny - but the manufacturers are chasing this market anyway...
The kids are totally turned off. They dont care.
I see no evidence yet to persuade me that in 20 years it will be nothing but a niche, specialist activity.
The biggest camera maker is Apple. Thats not going to change.
Canon is such a deeply frustrating company.
They have the most resources, deep pockets, fantastic distribution and a great brand.
And they peddle rubbish like this. Too expensive, too crippled, no EVF.
If we are witnessing the Number 1 start a steady decline , then frankly they deserve it.
Canon are Lazy and arrogant.
I think people are so easily suckered into always wanting "bigger, better, faster, more !!".
Sometimes sufficiency is perfect.
The simple truth is that for many of the keyboard warriors on DPR banging on about full frame, the 16mp sensor on the Oly is perfectly good enough.
I bet a lot of you only look at pictures on an iPad anyway... in which case, pixel peeping over FF is a ridiculous waste of time and money.
Take a look at Robin Wong's web blog, and I would wager that many people would be perfectly happy with the IQ he gets from the Oly 16mp cameras....
MustyMarie: The real test: Just saw a F1 broadcast, many cams seen - zero A7RII's, all users using a VF, can a fast pan be done easily via EVF or LCD?
But the real test will be at the next Olympics and other Huge major sports events, will it/they still be Canon/Nikon events (massive #'s at the Olympics) or will there be oodles of A7RII's and Zony lens users ??
What will professionals resort to, cam or more complete lens systems or ?
PS: Prophecy- Sony had better start a massive Zony lens lending program for qualified pros at the huge events to succeed.
The last thing Sony should do is waste billions on huge lenses and the sports market. The only people who want that are a few hundred sports shooters globally and retired - middle aged North Americans. It is a shrinking market.
All Sony are doing is developing leading edge Tech. That is enough. Their sensors can and will pop up in all sorts of cameras and phones. As the market changes, Sony tech will be there.
The kids in the crowd at sports stadiums dont care / arent impressed by the sports shooters and their canon bazookas. They just snap on their iPhones. This is why camera sales are falling.
Absolute Rubbish ! I don't give a damn if sports photographers shoot Sony or Canon. I don't shoot professional sports.
If someone bases their buying decisions on if someone with a 4 ft long white lens uses the same brand, they are uninformed fools.
topstuff: I really have only two things to contribute to this debate - as a non-A7 user, a non-fanboy of any brand, not only in cameras but in anything. Brand loyalty baffles me. I simply dont understand it.
Anyway, here are my two points:
Firstly, The A7R2 seems to be a very impressive thing. It moves the game on in many ways, not only in terms of its features but also its engineering: BSI sensors and 5axis stabilisation for example. No other camera anywhere has ever packed so much new stuff into it.
Secondly, judging by the arguments, tribal hostility and bickering on this forum, a vocal minority of DPR members appear to be completely mad.
You know who you are. This is a camera. Not the meaning of life. Stop being such jerks.
So what? It goes with the territory. You make a choice, you stand by the consequences.
I shoot Nikon and Canon. For a very long time now, I've been a convert to EVF and wish that either of them would get their act together and go mirrorless FF.
Anyways, this does not alter the very tribal nature of these forums. Like the bloods and the crips. Even this thread is packed with haters and points scorers and childish comments.
Its a bit weird when all we are talking about is inanimate consumer electronics.
Besides, our Nikon system still shoots fine whatever Sony get up to.
I really have only two things to contribute to this debate - as a non-A7 user, a non-fanboy of any brand, not only in cameras but in anything. Brand loyalty baffles me. I simply dont understand it.
Cipher: There sure is a lot of denial going on. I'd rank this break through the same as when Olympus came out with the E-M5. Nikon and Canon better get serious with their mirrorless plans if they have any. The mirrorless camp has far more interesting releases that anything from DSLR camp in a while. The last time I was excited about a new DSLR product was when the 36MP D800 was announced. Since then it's been pretty incremental updates from Nikon and Canon. A month ago I pulled out my D800 from storage and, to me, it felt like a dinosaur. Sure it has great ergonomics, but having it around my neck I felt like a rap singer with a giant gold necklace. Now if Sony would only do something about the price of the A7R II....
What utter nonsense.
I don't own an A7 but anyone can see that this camera packs more state of the art tech in it than any camera on the market.
It's worth what Sony are asking.
Once again the brand warriors on all sides are missing the point.
Of course Canon won all the awards.
The 7D2 and 5DSR were launched in the last 12 months.
Nikons D810 is older, so it does not qualify.
I think the company that should feel hard done by is Samsung. The NX1 is light years ahead of practically everything technically, until the Sony A7R2 came along.
If you think about it, in the DSLR sector probably the only other DSLR launched recently of note was the Pentax K3II. The Nikon 7200 could have competed with the 7D2 I guess, but thats all.
If Sigma bring out a 24-70 2.8 ART lens with VR soon they will sweep up, if they price it aggressively and the quality is there. This Nikon looks great but super expensive. Maybe it will be discounted. But there is an opportunity for Sigma I would think..
This lens and the 5DSR sensor really need to be in a mirror less camera with decent PDAF and a better live view experience.
This bodes well for the Sony A7RII - but highlights how suddenly the DSLR has technical shortcomings that are starting to bite.
Having to use live view to optimise focus - something DSLR's do not do well - shows how things are changing.
Come on Canon. Give us a mirror less solution.
HowaboutRAW: Well I guess it’s good to be reminded that helicopters get a lot of use in war zones and have a lot to do with supporting the fight–but why those warzones exist in 2015 is a problem.
Then it’s a well enough composed image, but Hollywood has used things very similar again and again.
It’s also an image newspapers use to portray the action of battle, or escape from danger, since it is a transport helicopter.
(It’s possible an Air National Guard helicopter is involved fighting a forest fire here. But it sure looks like a warzone. And I can’t really think of a war that the US has any business being involved in in 2015.)
It is a British Royal Navy Merlin helicopter. Maybe the smoke was there at an air display - sometimes they have explosions and stuff to thrill the crowds.
left eye: Reminds me of good ol' Kodak film stock, wonderful sumptuous warm colours, possibly the least digital output I've seen here in 'real-world' samples.
I don't even mind the grain! The fact the detail isn't sharpened to a pixel level gives the results an organic look, should enlarge very well indeed.
...and I always used to automatically turn away from Canon! I'm sure the Sony A7r II will trump this in terms of tight detail and lower noise, but there's something here that really does take me back to how photos used to look - and I wished they still did!
The lenses also seem to be bearing up to the MP jump, the 16-35mm producing stunners here
+ of course ACR doing a great job :-)
I've been impressed by the Pentax K-3 II pixel-shift results, which are delivering jpegs and RAWs better than the 5DS and the A7r, but this Canon / 'Kodak colour' and grain structure has me intrigued.
That makes no sense at all.
Great creative work is shot on Sony sensors all around us , all the time.
They are just better sensors.
The lenses are another story