With smart phones getting better and better, growing numbers of people even using tablets for photography, this is a brave move.
The existing m4/3 guys can't make money. If they were not part of larger conglomerates they wouldn't exist now.
I wish this venture great success and good luck. They are going to need it. :)
I find it hard to conceal my contempt and disappointment for a camera company that has more resources than any other, to offer such a weak and cynical offering in mirrorless to its customers.
They are abusing their brand and cynically expecting people to buy something inferior by design, just because of who they are and the distribution they have at their disposal.
In many ways I'm pleased that the M is so unsuccessful. Hopefully it will force Canon to take the market more seriously, make a better effort, and so produce something much better for the marketplace.
Then we all benefit.
I can't believe I've just spent 4 minutes of my life watching that.
I think I need to get out more.
Devilsh: I cringe watching these photographers work without a viewfinder. It seems such a pain to work with the screen and hold the camera awkwardly out in front of you. Doesn't seem natural at all. No real information on how this thing handles in low light which is an area it might (should) excel? And of course, throw out your workflow tools like photoshop and lightroom when using its raw files. Give DP Review one and let them figure it out for us....
A lot of photographers NEVER use the viewfinder. Plenty of studio guys tether to a large EVF or laptop. Viewfinders are less important than they used to be.
Damning results from comparing sensor tech of Canon vs Sony. The smaller Sony sensor in the RX trounces the Canon when the going gets tough.
This is disappointing.
To be honest, I find Canon a massively perplexing company. Other than the 5D3 and 1DX, maybe the 6D, their cameras are really, really, underwhelming.
The public still buy them because they trust the brand and Canon have distribution sorted, with cameras easy to find anywhere. But many people can do much, much better.
Boss of Sony: Is this camera better than Canon 70d or Pentax K3? Can someone help me? I have no idea.
If you use the back screen of the camera a lot ( live view) then the Sony is much, much better because the autofocus is much faster - this is because the Sony does not have a mirror flapping around unlike the Canon and Pentax. This also means that autofocus on video is also much better.
theprehistorian: "rarely visually significant, image quality costs of keeping that mirror in the optical path"
I don't think it'd be too hard to spot the effect, you're talking about significantly higher ISOs to get the same shutter speed as an equivalent camera without the translucent mirror. Unless you really need all those frames per second - and do you REALLY? - it has all the appearance of a bad idea...
Precisely - even then people ignore that ISO1200 in one camera is NOT ISO1200 in another. It seems that the ISO lable is not the same between manufacturers.. All I know is that in real world use the SLT makes no discernible difference..
jkoch2: Dis hear po' guy lyke Sony, but tink da a65 iz mo' beddah bung fa buck.
Yes - jkoch2 makes more sense than many people on here.. :)
bshy: All features are good on paper; but what about IQ specially in low light high isoIt loses 1/3 to 1/4 of light because of its SLTIf Sony will do something their cameras will be almost perfect ad may b better than canon & nikon siblings
Honestly - don't worry about the SLT 'loss of light" question - it is massively over-hyped by armchair gear heads who don't have a clue. The old A77 was pretty noisy at higher ISO but it cleans up ok. The cheap little A58 is a newer camera - I got an A58 for holidays and fooling around because it is so cheap - but I've been really impressed by the IQ, even at 3200 ISO. So if the A77II is learning from the cheap little A58, then I don't think high ISO is going to be a problem. And the AF and live view advantages from the SLT are considerable.
Got to love the hypocrite haters on DPR.
If the people knocking Leica all wear Lorus or Casio copy watches, drive Hyundai's, only wear Walmart clothes, only eat non-branded food and genuinely have no desire for "aspirational brands" then they would have a point.
But I bet the average, 50 plus, white north American male on DPR is not like that. I bet the average guy here likes a premium brand car, likes a well cut suit, and well made clothes, enjoys a branded TV and home appliances. If these same people do not apply the same code to photo gear, that is their prerogative. But to knock Leica and the people who do value Leica gear, is hypocritical IMO.
JKP: Who is it for? Rather expensive, you can almost get a FF camera with the same money. The mirror in between lens and sensor eats light, so sensitivity will be poor even if compared to other APS-C cameras.
The auto focus system needs to be really remarkable to to justify 'Translucent mirror DSLR' light loss.
The SLT really does not make a difference in real world use. I have used lots of SLTs. I have used Canon 5D3's and 70d, m4/3 etc etc. It really doesn't make a difference. Suggesting it "easts light" and "sensitivity is poor" are comments from people who repeat stuff from their armchairs but have no actual experience to relate.
I DO know that Sony's tend to nail the exposure rather better than Nikons. I DO know that the "always on" live view is in a completely different class than Canon or Nikon. I DO know that if you like to use the rear LCD a lot ( tripod work, video etc ) than SLT offers many, many advantages that make it all well worth it.
The Sony SLT cameras COULD be killer hybrid still and video cameras, if they only had a decent Codec that produced better IQ. The A99 should have been awesome but somehow the codec lets it down. I hope they have improved things here.
With built in IBIS, great handling, lovely viewfinder and nice big sensor, this camera could easily Whip the Panny GH4 as a hybrid. But Panny have great codec and lovely video quality that Sony has not been able to match.
I hope they get closer this time with the A77 II.
The A77 was always a decent camera. Handling really is lovely.
This seems a genuine improvement if the sensor is better.
The SLT really does not make a noticeable difference to IQ in real world use, it really doesn't, while the excellent AF and "always on" live view makes cameras like the Canon 70D (itself the best of traditional DSLR) seems clunky and hopeless.
I really enjoyed my time with the A77. I will take a look at the A77 II.
Really, really, puzzling how people interested in a supposedly creative subject like photography, place no value at all on aesthetics or the satisfaction of the interaction with the tools they use.
This Leica is by all accounts a very pleasing and satisfying thing to use -from the feel of the body to the better-than-ever-before use of a touch screen. This alone is justification enough for its existence.
If some people fail to see that there is satisfaction to be gained in the user experience of something like this, compared to interacting with a lump of black plastic, then that is their problem.
Zvonimir Tosic: Last time I saw something of this level of attention to detail and quality for a modern consumer market product was the Pentax HD DA 20-40 lens issued last December.
Let's not dismiss thisnew attempt. They could have continued to make M system lenses and cameras for the rest of this century, but they still wanted to create something new more people could appreciate. (Not all love manual focusing rangefinder experience) Yet that some camera manufacturer today is willing to invest in and deliver such a level of thought, detail and craftsmanship to a camera system and its parts, should be welcome by all enthusiasts. Just for the fact it is there.
Sony, Fuji or Olympus do not go this far in attention to detail, refinement and quality. They never will. That is why their products are cheaper. That is not bad in itself, but it will bad for all of us if we have never had a chance to see a feat like this, if it were economically unviable to be made by anybody left in this sorry business.
Most car makers do the same. Even the prestige ones
Amazing the inverted snobbery in play here. I simply cannot understand why people give Leica ( and their owners ) such a hard time for simply being a "premium brand".
Drive an Audi and most of the mechanics are shared with a VW. A new Bentley has much in common with a VW.
Anyone with a "prestige" car criticising a Leica is rather missing the point IMO.
Or does everyone on DP review reject "premium cars" and drive Korean? I bet they don't.
What a deeply desirable camera. Well done Pentax.
I'm sure someone will be along on DPR to compare it with M4/3 and complain about its size or something..
beavertown: Nikon would have just covered it up and be caught by the Chinese government.
Olympus is a much responsible company.
Olympus is many things, and certainly a maker of very good cameras, but I would not call them a responsible company given their very dodgy recent history. Some time ( and a further shake up of management ) is going to be needed to put that chapter behind them..
Great cameras though. :)
People comparing a $6000 camera for pros with a $1500 mirrorless. Welcome to the world of gear heads.
Meanwhile, in the real world, dozens of cameras of interest to hobby photographers remain unreviewed.
Fact is that for most people a review of a D4S is about as useful as a review of the Space Shuttle for a compact car purchaser. It's a waste of time.
While so many cameras remain untested , DPR has lost the plot.
I think the 1 Series is dealt an unfair hand by the media to some extent, DPR included.
Take the Nikon 1 AW for example. Now this is a FANTASTIC camera - offering great IQ in a camera that you can take underwater for goodness sake ! And it is not expensive for something that you take skiing, snorkelling, on the beach, and submerge into water and dust with no ill effects.
DPR didn't test it. It failed to register on the radar of most people, partially because of poor marketing.
But truly waterproof cameras with great IQ make perfect travel cams. More people should buy them IMO.