Siobhan A: Don't blame DPR. Part of their job is to get everyone excited about new cameras....then get them to buy them on Amazon.
But this new Sony shows Sony doesn't care about a small affordable system anymore, and shows they are not willing to add the features that so many were asking for the past 18 months.
"I doubt anyone believes you when you say you don't want people to get excited about new cameras.Look at these "WOW!" "news" stories."
Said the man commenting on a gear head website. What do you want? "Oh look, another new camera, yawn" in their best Ben Stein/Ferris Bueller's teacher voice?
D135ima: Sony continues to compete with DSLRs. Its good... maybe. But many users want mirrorless cameras with compact optic. Dear Sony - Please do not forget to compete with APS-C mirrorless systems. People want more lenses like 35 2.8 and 28 2 and even much smaller
I guess because DSLRs are not the trendy "in" thing right now, so you have to get really, really close to the DSLR-like demands of the consumer without actually becoming one. Nobody is closer to that line than Sony right now.
Everlast66: Continuous shooting compared with similarly priced DSLR from today's Sony's presentation video:
Low light AF is usually the Achilles heel, but if tracking has improved I'd certainly welcome it. I'll believe caught up when I see it, which if not now is hopefully soon.
SidePod: oh wow .. how underwhelming ... but since its a Sony: "WOW!"
Maybe "wow" because did you ever just think that, just maybe, there wasn't anything to legitimately bitch about?
I want to take a different approach.
Who cares, Barney? If people go to Amazon to buy, fine. I don't care, doesn't bother me. People gotta eat, turn lights and heat on, pay the bills. Makes the world go round.
It's because the enthusiastic demand right now revolves around full frame (specifically FE), and Sony has to focus resources and capitalize on this moment (its moment, really) to make the most out of it, as its big competitors (Canon/Nikon) have been largely ill prepared to counter it. Don't worry, it'll all come around again soon enough. It always does.
Certain critics here want FF sensor performance in a smartphone sized camera body and an f2.8 fixed aperture zoom lens not much bigger or heavier than a cardboard toilet paper tube, or something is just WAY TOO BIG. Never mind these demands completely defy laws of physics and nobody else out there sells anything like that.
KrisAK: SonyAlphaRumors is officially dead.
They've always been speculative. People shouldn't expect a high degree of accuracy from a site that has "rumors" in the title. I get plenty of those in the forums.
joe_leads: The good thing: I can replace my wife's A6000 and she won't notice.
At least until the credit card bill arrives.
Jeadm: Did I get here too late and miss the Sony whiners and rootkit conspiracy theorists? Oh okay, good. I'd hate to have to talk about the new camera or anything.
Great. Want better? Then don't buy the kit lens if that matters to you. Pretty sure that's a Zeiss 16-70 f4 in the featured product shot anyway (not that I would recommend it).
Reminds me of the days when when no "self respecting photographer" would even use the kit lens, high ISO was shooting >400, and everybody was using dim OVFs. Now people bitch about touchscreens/GPS on cameras and audio CD rootkits from 10+ years ago.
Did I get here too late and miss the Sony whiners and rootkit conspiracy theorists? Oh okay, good. I'd hate to have to talk about the new camera or anything.
Put me down for white background with 1 pt light gray text. /SARCASM Because some web designer geniuses out there think that's a good idea these days. I always cringe when I read about redesigns, so please tread carefully.
I like the white on black FYI.
Headline: "DxOMark: EOS 5DS/R sensor is highest-ranked Canon sensor yet"
Technically 100% accurate. Also 200% diplomatic.
Lan: I still can't understand why they've launched this lens. There are a lot of 100mm 1:1 macro lenses out there already, and many of those are quite affordable too... Those competitors often include auto apertures, autofocus, and image stabilizers.
A 2:1 macro lens would have been interesting, but this is just perplexing.
I'll concede that the geared version might make some sense for macro videographers, but how many of those are there?!
Well you wouldn't want to be chasing a basketball game with it, but that's obvious as they have a different market in mind. Looks like these are running $550-600 in the U.S. Both Lan and fmian have good points. It seems hard to throw out all the benefits of AF/OS for not much more if much of your time isn't spent on the meticulous setup needed to use one of these. If you have the time and your shooting revolves around this type of lens, many of those advantages get mitigated.
I'll bet these are a joy to work with on EVFs like the Sony A and E/EF mounts.
Gary Dean Mercer Clark: I looked at the studio scene shots and the .jpeg and .raw images from the Sony A77 MK II look soft. Why is that? I've not seen any images shot raw out of my A77 mK II that look this soft and lousy. I find the quality of the images posted in the studio scene to be questionable. The quality should be better.
Fair enough. I was critical of the untimeliness of the review myself. They gave their explanation, a good one, for the delay (massive staff overhaul), but nonetheless still produced a 'better late than never' review. If they failed to review it entirely there would be different criticisms leveled (and they were already happening). Can't change the past, it's history now, and it's a no-win situation to be overly critical about it at this point.
When they posted their first set of (since abandoned) test shots they were done with the standard cheap 50 f1.8 DT. I had lamented why do they always go to that lens when Canon/Nikon competitors always got the more expensive, stepped up 50 f1.4. When they did the reshoot at least they tried two different lenses, the Zeiss and Sigma 50 f1.4 (the standard old Sony 50 f1.4 is notoriously soft). So credit where it is due.
That's kind of the photographic equivalent of the loaded question "have you stopped beating your wife?"... You're expecting the answer to be either "B" or "C", and if it's not you won't be satisfied. Is it entirely possible there are Zeiss 50's out there that are tack sharp corner to corner? Absolutely. But you ask as if you've never heard of lens variation. I've had lenses that were dogs and never lived up to their hype, and lenses that were every bit as good as advertised. It happens.
@tesch, more here on lens issues:
There doesn't seem to be any argument on this point, they were upfront about this issue from the beginning, so either you haven't read through all the comments or just decided to argue something nobody else is.
cheetah43: What a hideous piece of a camera! Apart from that, with all the round bodywork how does it stay secure being held? Sony, Sony!
"The right hand grip feels 'just right' and gives easy access to the most important controls on the camera..."
"...ergonomically speaking its well-designed, with a nice grip and logically place controls..."
"The a77 II's grip is just the right size, giving it a secure feel in your hand..."
And all on the same page too, for nice and easy reference: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-slt-a77ii/3
Please tell me that your comment wasn't based on two dimensional webpage pictures, and that you actually held it for yourself before sharing that informed opinion.
TxDad25: We've been using the SLT A57 since early 2013. We use it primarily to take photos of my son's basketball games. While we're generally happy, it does have some minor issues. That said, I'm pretty heavily invested into a-type lenses.
I'm ready (I think) to move to something more current. I'm curious if it makes sense to upgrade to something like the A77II, or to divest myself of the a mounts and move on to mirrorless. If I should upgrade in the DSLR space, is the A77II a significant enough improvement on the A57 to justify the cost? I've also considered jumping to Nikon, though I'm not sure if I'd gain anything there.
All thoughts or opinions are appreciated.
I made the exact same move (A57 to A77II). I am a big fan of the A57, it's an excellent performer that's well balanced model between your typical entry level and something more advanced, and I would have bought it again if I had to do it all over. The A77II is definitely a more advanced camera that, as long as you're comfortable familiarizing yourself with the many different modes and options, you'll appreciate the upgrade and find it worthwhile. It's easily the best value on the market for DSLRs right now, fighting in a weight class cameras that are almost double in price. Mirrorless like the A6000 are impressive but can get expensive fast when you're talking E-mount native lens solutions, particularly versus comparable A-mount lenses. I suggest you go to DPR's Sony SLR/SLT A-mount Talk forum http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1037 and post your question there (and what other gear accompanies your A57) for a more detailed analysis.
Davey1978: The reviewer did a lot of things completely wrong.
For example, he shot a non-moving focus target in AF-C Lock-on AF mode. First of all, doesn't everyone know to shoot non-moving targets in AF-S? Secondly, the algorithm for Lock-on AF is specifically looking for motion so this is going to confuse the camera. Additionally, his AF Track Duration should have been dialed back to "1" since the subject was not moving, and who knows where he left it.
Furthermore, the cyclist riding towards him should have been shot using AF Area: "Zone" with AF Track Duration set to "1" or "2" -- this mode is specifically designed to prioritize depth tracking for on-coming motion. Great for cars, cyclists, runners, etc.
The basketball game should have been shot in Continuous Priority 12 FPS in AF Area "Wide" or "Lock-on AF: Expand Flexible Spot" with AF Track Duration set to "2" or "3". He also should have turned Smile/Face Detection "Off" to avoid confusing the sensor and set AF Priority to "AF".
@Alan_S, DPR's Dan Bracaglia alludes to their Track Duration settings in this comment elsewhere http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-slt-a77ii?comment=5103275947 . Rishi also speaks to it a little bit down in the same thread.