andy1331: I think DPReview is a bit too regaled/pampered/spoiled (*) from the products that Sony came up with during the last years and had very very high expectation. Because if you just review the facts and compare with comparable competition it should have eailiry a gold reward. For example I tested (and finally bought) this a77II and also tested a EOS 70D. The a77II was far better in almost every aspect (or at least similar) but he 70D gets a higher score from dpreview. I think that the expectation were a bit to high. It's not that ultimate miracle wapon that beats a 4DS or 1DX for 15% of the price but compared to other 1000 € APS-C bodies out there it is very very exicting.I love it !
To clarify, the A-mount future has been "uncertain" since 1985, way back when no self respecting photographer would be caught dead shooting autofocus. But having heard this for 30 years now, it's really nothing new.
Jeadm: I switched on "compare mode" to see how it fares against the Canon 70D, a camera in a similar price range to the Sony A77II (body only Canon 70D is $1000, Sony $900). Lo and behold, they don't compare. DPR categorizes the 70D as "Mid Range...DSLR", the A77II as "Semi-professional...DSLR".
So when you see 80% Silver Award, just remember they're scoring it against cameras way above its price class and fighting weight. The 7DII body only is $1700, a body they compare to the A77II. I suspect if they taged it as a "Mid Range" body, it would have scored higher and really cleaned up that category. Still, kudos for classifying the A77II in the category it deserves to be in, and not just looking at price tags to establish that.
That said, I'm not sure what to make of DPR's classifications, particularly when they put full frame and APS-C cameras in the same category. Comparisons are certainly interesting, but on this one big detail alone (sensor size) you simply can't compare them.
Well to clarify they score cameras against one another on the basis of comparison between other cameras in the same category. So an 83% scored 70D isn't "1% less" compared to the 84% scored 7DmkII because that's not how DPR calculates score (they're considered different categories of beast).
The only reasons I sought out the comparison in the first place is because the 70D is similarly priced to an A77II (certainly more so than the 7DmkII), and because I've also shot Canon for many years (and still own/shoot Canon gear).
Having shot both Canon and Sony extensively, I speak with confidence of my knowledge on the two platforms, and the pros/cons of each. Like most smart people who use the tools of their trade, I make decisions based strictly on whatever works best for my particular style and skills. Branding has little bearing on that. If any particular brand wanted to sit on their laurels and stop innovating, I could choose to live with it and ride on reputation alone. Or not.
mpgxsvcd: I understand why this camera didn't get the Gold award. It isn't quite the camera that the NX1 is. However, isn't it great that a camera with so many great features with this price point is not considered to be exceptional?
The cameras of today are very good compared to what our options were just a few short years ago.
deep7, Dyxum lists about 18 "current" constant f2.8 (or faster) zooms for A-mount, over 50 if you count older/discontinued models. This is just zooms mind you, not counting primes.
craig66: I don't understand this in the list of Cons:
"No way to quickly check focus in image review, since only center of image is magnified"
You can move the magnified region around with the joystick and zoom in/out with the rear wheel. I don't see what else it could do.
(continued) Using an OVF you were used to chimping and (hopefully quickly) making adjustments on the fly, post shot. EVF/LCD live view all-the-time disrupts that workflow. Is there still post shot review? Of course, if you want to, but this time it often occurs much later. But for OVF users who have never really experienced the benefits of using a modern EVF/LCD real time live view to set up ALL their shots, as your confidence in the system grows you'll find you rely much less on the post shot review. In turn, this gives you more time to focus on just making the next shot. For that alone, from a versatility and usability standpoint, I can't see myself ever going back to the OVF.
I think that's valid. Going directly to a/the focus point on review to check focus (post-shot) is absolutely sensible, and should at least be an option to tick on/off (wouldn't be much help on focus recompose).
That said, I think K E Hoffman hit the nail on the head. With these EVF type cameras. for me anyway, all the chimping happens prior to the shot. This is so much true that image review on my cameras are always off by default. Check & magnify can be easily done while composing it for critical focus. No time for that and need to get the shot? As long as I'm reasonably confident I'm on the right focus point, firing a short burst (+/- 3 shots) is usually more than adequate to guarantee focus on those shots you need to rush. In fact, more often than not I end up with an ideal choice of every burst shot, all perfectly focused. Shooting with an EVF/LCD full time, in order to capitalize on all the benefits of the new tools, fundamentally (but positively) changes your technique.
I switched on "compare mode" to see how it fares against the Canon 70D, a camera in a similar price range to the Sony A77II (body only Canon 70D is $1000, Sony $900). Lo and behold, they don't compare. DPR categorizes the 70D as "Mid Range...DSLR", the A77II as "Semi-professional...DSLR".
Nikolai Vassiliev: Fine review, but where is usual Performance page with buffer fill speed and other important things?
My observation, entirely unscientific as it is: Having shot the A77II RAW+JPEG for a few months, and having not yet reached a buffer full scenario, perhaps it gets (a bit unfairly) overlooked, simply because it was never a problem. We can tend to take for granted those things that don't impede us.
refillable: Two possibilities. Either that DPR hates A-Mount for some strange reason (which is unlikely), or (if all the things said in the review are objectively true) this is a very good explanation for the abandoning of A-Mount by Sony. The D7200 is much better in many ways based on this review.
@lhkjacky, your observation is right on and gets overlooked by the traditional DSLR crowd that has never tried to use such a beast, at least for an amount of time necessary to make a fair and honest comparison. I would add the ability to pre-chimp and critically check focus and exposure before the shot as part of the normal shooting routine. It isn't just a simple pivot from OVF to EVF, it actually changes the way you shoot in some very positive ways.
Among the questions that would be nice to have answered in the review:
Does it read and copy SDXC card properly? Does it read and copy exFAT formatted cards properly?What card formats does it support?
Some Sony ILCs with cards >=64GB require these card specs, and several standalone devices made in recent years aren't up to the job.
Kaso: "It finds itself in the same class as the Canon EOS 7D Mark II, Pentax K-3, and Sony SLT-A77 II DSLRs as well as the Fujifilm X-T1, Olympus OM-D E-M5 II, Samsung NX1, and Sony Alpha 7 II mirrorless cameras."
The Sony Alpha 7 II is a full-frame mirrorless camera. How can it be in the same class as the Nikon D7200? Maybe you should have added the Nikon D610, the Nikon D750 and the Sony Alpha 6000 to the "class" to make it more interesting and... crowded?
Oops. Mea culpa.
Only thing I can think of is that when you're at the top of the APS-C class, if you're looking at DSLR alternatives and something mirrorless you're either going m43 or full frame, and the A7 II is more of an upgrade and a bridge closer to the D7200 price wise. But if mirrorless is a contender, then why not the Sony A6000 as well? I think if nothing else, it's clear DPR thinks many are going to buy or migrate to the smaller mirrorless bodies.
Well, you quoted it properly, but you (and apparently others) read it wrong. "Sony SLT-A77 II DSLR"... not A7 II, completely different cameras. A77 II is Sony's current top of the line APS-C DSLR.
Serious Sam: Now can we have our 7D2 VS A77ii performance test??
People who easily dismiss the new EVF technology I honestly think have their perceptions set in from back in 2003 when they first saw EVFs in a "semi-serious" camera and (rightfully) sneered. These are great now, and getting better every time, bearing no resemblance at all to ones you're accustomed to seeing. When you shoot one, it's jarring and uncomfortable at first because there's so much feedback and data you're just not used to, pre shot. You really have to stick with it for a week or so to see what you've been missing. It changes your flow but not in a bad way, gives you more tools in your hand for perfecting that next shot, that's a whole separate thread in itself. It's a beautiful, liberating, growing experience coming from OVF. This is coming from someone who loved my OVF and thought I'd never like an EVF, either.
Whenever people ask me "doesn't the EVF suck?", I tell them not only does it not suck, it's actually great. This isn't your Dad's EVF; but your OVF might be!
I'm guessing Canon's aim is to sell lots of cameras. The small body targets those who want a 'real' SLR but wish it wasn't so big, as well as gives the option to the curious to try something smaller and more NEX/m43-like without losing the whole lens investment in the process. This is a demographic they haven't gone after yet so there's potentially money to be made. Absent any sensor or feature evolution it's probably the best they can do for now.