RichRMA: It looks thoroughly competent...and utterly boring. If you line-up each Canon DSLR (they don't make much else) from cheap to expensive, aside from size, can you tell them apart?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm actually applauding Canon's consistency in design and ergonomics. We don't need change for the sake of change, e.g. Microsoft Windows. For every other new version you need to re-learn where things are, how things operate, even with functions that were perfect as they were in the former versions.
JMDean: 84%? That’s a little high IMO. This camera should rank down in the mid 70’s. Image Quality seems a little high on your scale. The only thing good about this camera is its build quality and performance. You couple in the poor image quality and the Value should go way down. I purchased this camera and after shooting around 2000 images I can honestly say this is the worse Canon I have ever bought as far as image quality. That includes the Rebels I own. The quality of the images are so bad for the price range, that this will be the first camera I have ever returned. I hope Canon does better on its next release because this one sure left a bad taste in my mouth. All the poor reviews about image quality are pretty spot on.
...continuedIf a sports/wildlife shooter has a tight budget and needs a fast, rugged body, he may skip great D810, or 5D3 or even the 1DX. For one reason or another, these will most likely be crossed off his list. He wants to find the best possible solution to get the shot within his budget. Sure, the D810 IQ is awesome, BUT can he get away with 5 fps? Not likely. So I believe that as a 'whole system', the 7DII offers a lot at a very attractive price, while still providing a very good APS-C IQ in the ISO range where most of the target audience will use it. Again, there is no perfect camera. How could there be? A million photographers have a million and 1 different needs :) Everything is a compromise. Even the new D750 has some limitations (1/4000 SS plus the lack of outside cross-type AF points.) So it's a compromise, that's why everybody has to completely understand how he can get the best system that suits his needs even if the components of this system may not be perfect.
... continuedWhat good is the great IQ of a D7100 if you run out of buffer when the receiver makes the catch? Or can't track as well as a 70D (see MichaelTheMentor's Youtube comparision after shooting about 1000 images). The bottom line is you need the whole system to perform well and reliably to get the shots. What shot? Canon created this camera for wildlife and sports shooters. So features that many people - shooters of other genres - may find gimmicky or unnecessary, might actually be of great importance of sports of wildlife shooters, e.g. fluorescent flicker filtering, super advanced AF, 10 fps. The 7DII is no different than most cameras out there. Just like cars for instance, most cameras are actually oriented towards a certain group of photographers. The 7DII is no difference, it's actually a prime example of this "orientation". continued...
I do not have a 7DII, but I do have a 70D, (plus 5D3, 5D classic, T4i, and had another 10 Canon bodies in the past.)The 7DII's IQ is a probably a tiny bit above the 70D, which I find good. I shoot mostly wildlife and some architecture with my 70D (while I shoot weddings, portraits, events, etc. with my FF cameras.) Even though the 7DII sensor is a bit behind some of the APS-C competition, it is so mostly at low ISOs, where the vast majority of the 7DII's target audience shoots very little. Sports, action, and wildlife photographers mostly shoot at higher ISO's where the other APS-C sensor don't have a huge advantage; they still do in tests, no doubt, but from a practical perspective it's pretty much a wash (at say ISO 1600). The thing is IQ - in the real world where the 7DII shoots - is a combination of several factors, the whole system contributes to IQ. FPS, AF, ergonomics, lens used, even weather proofing plays a role whether you can get the shot or not. continued...
Neil Schofield: Looks like a very good camera, however for the reviewer to state that the 5D lll AF system is behind the times
I don't think so
It's interesting that when the Canon 6D came out, everyone really liked (and still likes) its image quality, but many called it "crippled" for the 1/4000s shutter speed (using fast primes on bright days). They also knocked it for not having cross-type sensors off center, negatively affecting low light AF with points closer to the edges. Well, while I do consider the D750 a very good camera, it seems to have similar problems. Once you shoot in portrait orientation, you have a bunch of non-cross type AF points on your subjects face. I was also surprised that the 5DIII beat the D750 in low light AF. And the 5D3 is not even the best Canon at that. My 6D focused in even lower light than my 5D3. So I'm puzzled how a -3 EV rated AF was beaten by a -2 rated Canon, so that's interesting.For the record, I never felt crippled with the 1/4000 SS when I had the 6D. But I bet there may be a few people who called the 6D crippled for that but now all of a sudden ignore this "issue" with the D750.
AllOtherNamesTaken: Pretty crazy that the 5DM3 is still priced anywhere near $3,000. You'd have to be out of your mind to pay that in this environment unless you absolutely needed one for a job or something.
Regarding the 5D3 still being around $3000, there are enough 5D3 deals out there for less than $2500. B&H had a deal recently for 5D3 + Pro 100 printer for about $2450 after rebate. Sell the printer for $150 and you have a new 5D3, from one of the best retailers out there, for $2300.
munro harrap: Well, its results, posted here, do not inspire, but that is a personal thing with me. A long time ago I got rid of a 40D I had bought new, not because it did not work, it worked fine, or due to its resolution, which was fine, but due to the sad fact that compared to my 1Ds, the results were flat, processed and boring. They did not look real. They did not convince, and looking at the samples posted here, nothing has improved at all.
As a photographer I do not need to waste frames in the futile hope that the machine takes better pictures than I do, I do not need the dreadful video quality you get from DSLRs these days either.
So since this thing costs as much as a D750, and double a D7100 (whose results are much better, much), what exactly are Canon doing? This is LOT of money for not a lot of QUALITY.
You can buy a mint secondhand 1D MkIV for the same money, or TWO 70D bodies, or a 6D brand new with 24105f4 thingy. Or a D610 with a 2485thingy.I bet no reviewer here has bought one!!
So the bottom line is no links? Again, this is without any intention to offend, I'm just curious where I could pick up a mint shape 1DIV for the same amount as a new 7DII. (Note: a couple days ago I had a chance to buy a 7DII, brand new via Ebay for $1550 after $100 Ebay Bucks (Ebay's cash back program).
Any links you could post for cheap but mint 1DIV located in the US in the $1700 range? I'm still interested to see them. Unfortunately, 100-200K on the shutter is far from being mint, I'm not interested in seeing those though.
Just out of curiosity, where can I buy a mint 1DIV for $1,799? (or better yet, around $1650-ish, since I've already seen 7DII deals for that price.)
name here: DPreview: I find it hard to agree with your raw noise conclusions.
60D samples on the bottom of page 15 look cleaner to me at ISO 1600 and upward. You do say 70D is smoother between 1600-6400. If my monitor is not failing me, I don't quite see that. In particular, the blue patch is a lot more noisy on 70D than on 60D... and, even green and gray patches are noisier on 70D. There's also less detail on the face. Not sure why your graphs don't show that.
Unfortunately, the original "classic" image quality comparison page (with the actual original studio scene) is not available any more. But while it was, it was visible that the 70D was better than the 60D at noise handling in the scene. I looked at that until my eyes bled before buying the 70D. I'm actually disappointed that it was removed in favor of the new IQ studio scene.
I also owned a 60D for a while and now the 70D since September. Even in RAW the 70D is a little better (jpeg is lot better), especially when you resize 20mp to 18mp to have the same output size for both.
What's also going for the 70D, but rarely gets mentioned, is the character of the shadow noise. It's totally different from Canon's 18mp crop sensor (and I had 5 different bodies with that sensor for years, still own a 7D). It is less blotchy and is almost free of the ugly white/black specks that usually show up in the 18mp sensor at higher ISOs. It's much easier to clean up in post.
So that's my opinion.
Boky: Photos at all ISO settings, raw or jpeg, look worse than Nikon D7100. And with regard to Canon AF servo when taking standard photos, I KNOW canon can still NOT provide consistent and accurate focus with anything but a single lens paired with body.
This camera to get DPreview praises is borderline criminal.
70D jpeg actually looks better, not just to me but anyone I talked to. In RAW the 7100 is better by a bit.As for the AI Servo shots... with all due respect, where the heck did you get your info??? Check out Michael the Mentor's video on Youtube performing thorough AI Servo tests (shooting over 1500 images), where the 70D clearly beats the D7100 in tracking moving subjects. The keeper rate is not even close. And let's not even mention the difference in buffer capacity.Here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOM4r1gxsbs
Amazing, one of the most interesting action nature shots I've seen.
Thanks! It's taking off.
My photo finished 14th place, and I'm extremely and proud of it. I totally understand that it may not be the winner in this huge pool of great photos but some people awarding it with 0.5 or 1 star??? Come on! Deliberately voting 1 star on someone else's image so his (or a friend's image) can finish higher is totally unacceptable and unethical.
Goami (and a few others in the top 10) may not have broken any rules here but just because his photo got an unreal number of 5 star votes it doesn't mean that they are the real winners (congrats #5, Tree in the Sunset!)
A few years ago the Hungarian governement tried to name a new bridge in Budapest via internet voting. People in the US heard about it in the news and thought it'd be funny if the bridge was named Steven Colbert Bridge. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed in Hungary and despite the all votes the bridge was eventually named after a famous Hungarian historic figure.
Anyway, I thank everybody who looked at my photo and liked it.
Thank you guys for the support. Yes, I am also shocked at the 1 and 1.5 star votes (while seeing dozens of 5 star votes on the top 4 photos). I bet you money some of these 1 star votes came from people who voted 5 stars on the photos finishing 1-4th place. This voting process was ridiculous. I am originally from Hungary and I did not tell anyone from my country that I had entered a competition. I wanted people from DPreview to vote on my photo.
This is almost reminiscent of the scandal when a new bridge in Budapest was to be named after whoever the internet voters choose. It was in the news in the US and people thought it'd be funny if it was named Steven Colbert Bridge. Fortunately, the government chose a famous Hungarian instead...
I am extremely happy with my 14th place and never thought I'd make it this high in the ranking out of 3000 photos, and there are a lot of super great photos here.
thank you again for the compliments.