Nick Brundle - Photography: I own a 70D and won't be updating to an 80D.I firmly believe that working within limitations helps you become a better photographer.IT’S NOT THE CAMERA, IT’S THE PHOTOGRAPHER
@rallyfanYou're right to some extent but what you're stating is indeed dependent on very specific needs and usage. Otherwise, look to the 80D over the 70D if you need:- Significantly better low ISO DR- Slightly higher resolution- Much better buffer- Exposure Comp in M mode with Auto ISO (that's a big deal for my needs)- Anti-flicker mode- 100% VF coverage- Improved, motor-driven shutter, less shock- Much better minimum shutter speed implementation (no upper limit of 1/250)- Better auto ISO implementation- Way more flexibility to shape your jpeg output with strength, fineness, and threshold sliders in the sharpness menu (picture styles.) Say goodbye to fine detail-less Canon jpegs- Time lapse- Better auto WB- Headphones jack- Better AF (both VF and DPAF)... and the list goes on. Lot's of improvements, even if none is super revolutionary. But you're right, if you don't need and/or use these improvements, the previous xxD cameras may be sufficient for your needs/budget.
Gabebalazs: The jpeg engine, if similar to the 80D, can now be tweaked to display finer detail in the picture profiles than it did in the past. In the 80D there are 'Strength', 'Fineness', and 'Threshold' sliders (instead of just one do-it-all 'Sharpness' control), which makes it possible to create picture profiles that look significantly different from the standard Canon jpeg results from the last few years.I haven't gone through the 1DxII manual but I'd presume it has the same flexibility as the 80D.In my 80D I've created a User profile. Faithful, sharpness strength 6 (goes 1-7), Fineness 2 (1-5), Threshold 3 (1-5). Looks better, sharper than the 'Auto' profile, and with less halos.
That's great, this seems to be the new Canon standard then. I know the 7DII does not yet have it.
The jpeg engine, if similar to the 80D, can now be tweaked to display finer detail in the picture profiles than it did in the past. In the 80D there are 'Strength', 'Fineness', and 'Threshold' sliders (instead of just one do-it-all 'Sharpness' control), which makes it possible to create picture profiles that look significantly different from the standard Canon jpeg results from the last few years.I haven't gone through the 1DxII manual but I'd presume it has the same flexibility as the 80D.In my 80D I've created a User profile. Faithful, sharpness strength 6 (goes 1-7), Fineness 2 (1-5), Threshold 3 (1-5). Looks better, sharper than the 'Auto' profile, and with less halos.
Pedro Courelas: Boring camera... another one...
@PedroInteresting news, not Canon related though. Thanks for posting. Any personal experience with these lenses? (I can't tell since your gear list is empty.) Have you at least tested them? How do they perform? IF they're good, I may actually be interested in them. Oh yeah, forgot to mention to you I also own and use a Sony A7RII, I'm using it for certain areas of my photo business (mainly real estate photography). So you don't necessarily have to classify me as a "Canon fanboy". I'm a fan of anything that satisfies my photography needs and performs to my expectations. The A7RII has it's well-earned place in my arsenal and so does the 80D (and the 5DIII and 6D that I also own, and use those mostly for events and weddings.)
Not sure about Samyang's track record on AF FE lenses though, but obviously you seem to be enthusiastic about them and stand behind them. I'll guess we'll see how the pudding tastes...
snappypaul: i've recently read a review of the 80d on a site that only reviews canon cameras...reviewer notes that the 80d locks up completely when using third party lenses like tamron, sigma etc. he notes that the battery needs to be removed to restart the camera. any confirmation on this from dpreview?
CERTAIN 3rd party lenses in LIVE VIEW mode. Tamron has a list (5-6 lenses) that lock up the camera in Live View mode (stills or video). I tried the 80D with 4 3rd party lenses (2 Tamrons and 2 Sigmas) only the Tamron 150-600 freezes the camera, and only in Live View. I keep using it in normal OVF AF mode without problems. And even my old Tamron 17-50 2.8 non-VC works fine. So it's certain 3rd party lenses, and Tamron is already accepting lenses for firmware update free of charge (although shipping to Tamron is on the customer. Return shipping is free.)
Pedro, based on your posts it's getting pretty clear who takes the most boring title here :)I'd like to see your work though, I'm really looking for some true excitement.
108: Well yes, Canon might no be as sexy as Nikon or Sony , but then the cams look pretty reliable, colours and wb are good, the lens line up is clear , pretty logic at least for me , and skip the mediocre to go from good to excellent .
@zigi_SYou're right! I've never really thought about those style associations, but it's so true :)
User8796835794: Finally the canon DR is on par with other cameras from 2012
I wonder then how far back in time we'd have to go to compare the dynamic range of the new $6,500 D5 :)Or when will be the year when Nikon eventually catches up with Canon in Live View/Video AF? :)
Really, this whole camera industry competition reminds me of car and truck commercials I see on TV every day. Manufacturers bragging about their particular model beating the competition in one specific area such as "trunk space", or "best torque", or "class leading interior room", or "best fuel economy". And what about the other parameters? Ones that this particular car or truck lags behind the competition, unadvertised specs that may actually be lagging the competition due to this car/truck being class-leading in another area (e.g. best HP + torque but weak fuel economy) Same with the Nikon D5. Class leading noise handling but poor low ISO DR. Fans won't talk about these weak point while non-fans will bring it up every time. There should be a more balanced approach to this whole topic.
I didn't know we need to turn to cameras to seek ultimate excitement. I could list a bunch of things that are more exciting than a new camera, ...and I love getting new gear. The camera is a device, it does a job, I never thought one was boring and another one was super exciting. But it's just me.
Aroart: This would be an awesome camera if it came out 5 yrs ago and If Sony and Nikon did not blow it away...
@armandinoI totally see your point. It wasn't an easy decision, don't get me wrong. But like Yake says different strokes for different folks. I've been doing the Europe trip for 18 years now, probably 25-30 trips behind me (grew up in Hungary and still visit family there.) So by now I know exactly what type of shooting I do in Hungary; what the priority is, what my plans are with the photos, etc. And based on that the 80D is the best for this trip for me. I do love the IQ of my A7RII when shooting birds but it's a much less refined, slower, more clunky experience for various reasons compared to the 80D. Again, my travel birding lens is a Canon-mount Tamron 150-600. Besides birds, the vast majority of my pictures in Hungary will be casual shots of family/friends, cook-outs, sightseeing with family that won't allow tripod or meticulous setup for perfect pictures, just run-and-gun, casual. Last but not least, I'd have to take a ton of Sony batteries (about 5 np-fw50s to outlast 1 LP6n)
Jaythomasni: Its surprising they stuck to the years old body design. Whatever changed under the hood , it looks almost like 60D.. plasticky feel. Even with flash they could round off and make it look more like their FF cameras. Which has a quality look and feel.. cost cutting.. may be
I for one welcome the lighter weight. I wonder how much more abuse a 40D or 50D could take over an 80D? And if your camera if subjected to abuse that breaks an 80D, you're probably already using a 1D series (or arrange for a case).I've learned not to associate weight with strength. I know it's subjective, but I'm not alone when I say that the 80D (and the 70D before that) feels great in the hand. It's actually more comfortable for me than the 50D was, and lighter too. My hands and wrist suffer enough abuse when shooting a 15 hour wedding with my 5DIII, 600RT flash + bracket. I'm glad the 80D is just the right combination of size, weight and still feels secure in my hand.
I don't think it's cost cutting. For new technologies sometimes you can't even use a metal body (GPS, Wifi, NFC).
But again, it's subjective. I've had about 12-14 different Canon bodies, I use(d) them often for fun, work, hikes, birding. No matter if they were magnesium or polycarbonate, none of them broke.
Yes, many may be better off. To some extent subjective factors will play a part in the decision making process.By "pleasant, ergonomically least challenging shooting experience" I meant how inconvenient a small Sony body feels in my hand. I am borderline OK with my A7RII, I mostly use it for the real estate photography part of my business with the LCD pointing up while holding the A7rII close to my stomach. It works in those situations well. But for some reason it doesn't feel balanced for half a day of tourist-type shooting. An A6000 is even smaller. If carrying that small was a priority, I'd just use my RX100, a bit smaller with no bulky lens on it :) (However, my wife has already reserved it for the trip). Also, doing birding with a tiny Sony mirrorless body + Metabones adapter + 150-600mm is not the best combination ergonomically, and AF, even on my advanced A7RII, is lacking compared to any of my Canon bodies (the big lens I'm taking is Canon mount. No FE mount 600mm lens)
DongaMogudu: It is also sharper than rest of them. All Canons (70D,80D,7D2) looks same when compared with D500. Nikon is easily 1/2 stop better than Canons at high ISO. Canon did not make any progress in terms of high ISO between 70d, 80d and 7D2.I think, Canon is always going to do catch up job with respect to Nikon and Sony with slightly less sensor size.
While I think the D500 looks great and truly class leading, saying "always" is a bold statement :)Just think about what the situation was 10 year ago...
I'm a photographer and I make my income from photography (not sure if I like the "professional" photographer title, hence the description.)I'm lucky to have a nice arsenal of bodies and lenses (5DIII, 6D, 80D, Sony A7RII and about 12 lenses including many top Ls, as well as Metabones IV for my A7RII which works well with my Canon glass). Is my A7RII better in most ways than my 80D? Yes. IQ is phenomenal, features galore, 4K video, etc., really a spec and IQ powerhouse. Which camera do I grab for general use when I know I'll need stills, quick casual videos, perhaps some bird shots, and overall a pleasant, ergonomically least challenging shooting experience? The 80D.Which camera am I taking on 3-week May trip to Europe where I'll need a relatively wide zoom range walk-around lens (18-135 IS STM), a relatively light but long birding lens (Tamron 150-600mm VC), a feather light fast lens (50mm 1.8 STM) AND reliable and hassle-free video to capture my 15-month old son? The 80D again.
surlezi: Seems like a good mid-range camera.
Here in the US the 80D was available through an authorized retailer for $850 when bundled with the Pro-100 printer (after rebate) for days. And if you sell the printer even for $100, it makes it $750. Plus Ebay bucks, cash back programs, etc. That makes it a great deal.I know that most consumers in the world are paying considerably more for the 80D, but for the huge US market this was an opportunity to get it for less than the cost of a new 70D.
LO Rivera: What a disappointment in terms of DR. You get a 2 stop+ advantage in any other other existing 35mm sensor Nikon cameras. In terms of APS-C, the D7200 isn't quite a 2 stop advantage but more like a 1.7 stops. It still kicks the D5's A$$ BIG TIME!It is about as good as the Canon cameras. Yes this includes the 5DS R, 6D and 5D Mark III as well as the 80D.
Actually, the 80D looks about a half a stop better.
RichRMA: It looks thoroughly competent...and utterly boring. If you line-up each Canon DSLR (they don't make much else) from cheap to expensive, aside from size, can you tell them apart?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm actually applauding Canon's consistency in design and ergonomics. We don't need change for the sake of change, e.g. Microsoft Windows. For every other new version you need to re-learn where things are, how things operate, even with functions that were perfect as they were in the former versions.
JMDean: 84%? That’s a little high IMO. This camera should rank down in the mid 70’s. Image Quality seems a little high on your scale. The only thing good about this camera is its build quality and performance. You couple in the poor image quality and the Value should go way down. I purchased this camera and after shooting around 2000 images I can honestly say this is the worse Canon I have ever bought as far as image quality. That includes the Rebels I own. The quality of the images are so bad for the price range, that this will be the first camera I have ever returned. I hope Canon does better on its next release because this one sure left a bad taste in my mouth. All the poor reviews about image quality are pretty spot on.
...continuedIf a sports/wildlife shooter has a tight budget and needs a fast, rugged body, he may skip great D810, or 5D3 or even the 1DX. For one reason or another, these will most likely be crossed off his list. He wants to find the best possible solution to get the shot within his budget. Sure, the D810 IQ is awesome, BUT can he get away with 5 fps? Not likely. So I believe that as a 'whole system', the 7DII offers a lot at a very attractive price, while still providing a very good APS-C IQ in the ISO range where most of the target audience will use it. Again, there is no perfect camera. How could there be? A million photographers have a million and 1 different needs :) Everything is a compromise. Even the new D750 has some limitations (1/4000 SS plus the lack of outside cross-type AF points.) So it's a compromise, that's why everybody has to completely understand how he can get the best system that suits his needs even if the components of this system may not be perfect.
... continuedWhat good is the great IQ of a D7100 if you run out of buffer when the receiver makes the catch? Or can't track as well as a 70D (see MichaelTheMentor's Youtube comparision after shooting about 1000 images). The bottom line is you need the whole system to perform well and reliably to get the shots. What shot? Canon created this camera for wildlife and sports shooters. So features that many people - shooters of other genres - may find gimmicky or unnecessary, might actually be of great importance of sports of wildlife shooters, e.g. fluorescent flicker filtering, super advanced AF, 10 fps. The 7DII is no different than most cameras out there. Just like cars for instance, most cameras are actually oriented towards a certain group of photographers. The 7DII is no difference, it's actually a prime example of this "orientation". continued...
I do not have a 7DII, but I do have a 70D, (plus 5D3, 5D classic, T4i, and had another 10 Canon bodies in the past.)The 7DII's IQ is a probably a tiny bit above the 70D, which I find good. I shoot mostly wildlife and some architecture with my 70D (while I shoot weddings, portraits, events, etc. with my FF cameras.) Even though the 7DII sensor is a bit behind some of the APS-C competition, it is so mostly at low ISOs, where the vast majority of the 7DII's target audience shoots very little. Sports, action, and wildlife photographers mostly shoot at higher ISO's where the other APS-C sensor don't have a huge advantage; they still do in tests, no doubt, but from a practical perspective it's pretty much a wash (at say ISO 1600). The thing is IQ - in the real world where the 7DII shoots - is a combination of several factors, the whole system contributes to IQ. FPS, AF, ergonomics, lens used, even weather proofing plays a role whether you can get the shot or not. continued...