Pedro Robbie: I just don't understand the comments about the "color" qualities of images produced by different manufacturers' cameras. I would assume almost any color "style" or adjustments can be produced with standard post-processing techniques, especially with Raw files. Would anyone seriously considering this camera not be post-processing?
"you dont want color that is inaccurate."
So. You produce a photograph and some guy in a white coat says the color is wrong. He shows you how your picture 'should' look and YOU thank him!!??
I give up.
trunksye: If you read enough comments about Sony's images, you would see many complaining about the flatness of them. To contrast this, if you read enough about Fuji's and Olympus's, you would see the word magic everywhere. F & O really produce great and interesting photos.
Sony, please add some touch of magic to your processing with your later firmware updates. You don't have to be a tech guy only.
So Olympus (perfect name!) 'tunes' the module and "...people love the outcome." Hmm... Doesn't sound like a group I'd like to be part of. They all get the same results and are happy with that? I prefer to do my own tuning.Of course, if you are unable to do it yourself... then let someone else decide for you.
Get Gandalf to do it.
Magic? Sounds like some kind of medieval mind cloaking glamour spell. Is Gandalf locked and chained in a cell and every hour a 1000 gb flash drive is slapped into his cold lifeless hands... as he is commanded by a quiet, yet self assured voice to:
"Make. My. Pictures. Better."
Magic. Sounds mighty suspicious to me.;-)
Mike FL: Sony 7 is NO longer a "Weather sealed camera" due to LIGHT LEAK issue.
Hmmm... if anyone wants to get rid of their A7r because of this issue. Please, think of me. I don't know what I'll do with it (can it still take pictures? No matter). Rest assured, it will be in a caring, loving home. :)
bluevellet: I love the irony that the A7 review was full of people complaining the Sony camera should not have been compared to the likes of the D610 (comparison didn't favor Sony much) and now people complain here the D610 scores much better than the Sony camera.
I guess the cameras are comparable after all!
Hmmm... but you did say:"In my my opinion, the real test is really with the operator and not the camera."
Maaku: $2300 and no charger?
On Amazon you can get a charger and two batteries for $27.
twfsir: The Sony a7R has some nice features for my purposes. I was looking for a lighter small camera than my Leica, but I wanted to be able to take decent photographs. I feel the Sony has that ability except sony needs to develope more lenses in the near future. The three lenses they currenty have are not fast enough, and I would like to see some wider angle lenses. I have used some of my Leica lenses on the Sony, and they do work well, but it sort of defeats the purpose, because it adds weight and size, and you can no longer use the auto focusing.
The reason I am writing is that I hope I can get someother owners to put pressure on Sony to develope those lenses.
"The three lenses they currenty have are not fast enough, "
The Sony FE 55mm F1.8 ZA is fast.
waxwaine: With this new firmware Sony´s cameras will heel itself from light leaks and awful construction? or maybe automatically transfer a 20% of it price to my bank account?
When my camera doesn't work, or doesn't last. I'll buy a new one.As will you.
(/sarcasm on) Yes. Because the construction of a camera invariably affects the quality of the image. (/sarcasm off)
photohounds: Nice, but the lenses are BAZOOKAS ..
Yes. When I saw the FE 35mm F2.8 I cried "By Odin's beard! That's BIG!!".It was a shock.
Charles Bowers: Not for street shooting or any fast moving situation. Focusing is horrid to non-existent if you want to capture the moment. After spending two weeks street shooting for the most part - all things considered you need to be on a tripod or to have lots of time to focus first. So forget capturing a "moment" that is fleeting. There are still many features that are just plain wrongly done or not thought thru from the standpoint of real world usage. I've had the NEX 5 and NEX 7. The a7 is better from many standpoints but still lacks the focusing capability of even a low end DSLR. Very disappointed. Sony just can't get this line of cameras up to professional standards yet. Too bad. Would love to see them really make a full-frame mirrorless light weight camera be worth the money. But then their lens choices are just weird. What is the world are they thinking. I don't want to put a 2 pound lens on this camera. That totally defeats the go lighter mantra.
Went street shooting with a group last night with the kit lens. It was fantastic. Yep, with the kit lens! I did not use a tripod. Focusing was dead easy (if you know what you're doing).If the kit lens can perform as well it did at night, then I have no worries at all about what the FE 35mm can do.
You don't want to put a "2 pound lens on this camera"? Then don't.
fuji P: It would be good if DPR could evaluate some Fuji lenses with the DXO graphic information - PLEASE.
YES IT IS possible to mount a Fuji X lens on Sony E camera.
Please stop giving out wrong information.
Max Savin: In the age of excellent high ISO performance the need for fast lenses is diminished. As a landscape photographer 90% of my pictures are shot at f8-11, ISO 2-400 at 250-320sec. Light wt., small size, excellent construction and above all superb files are what it's about. And did I mention that I can use my large collection of Leica-M mount, Canon and Nikon lenses on this body? You can sit at home and compare resolution charts all day, and complain about the price while I am out shooting pictures today with A7 and A7r, 35 and 55.
Totally agree. I've wanted to argue with several posts but in the end it comes down to: "Hey! I can put that lens on MY camera and see for myself!"
The freedom to choose. Bliss.
mediman30: Its bigger brother the 55mm is an absolute gem and ranked 2nd as best lens ever tested on DXO and I'm very pleased to know that Sony sticks to the same idea with its little brother.
To potential UK buyers of these 2 lenses, if you want to save some cash I bought mine on Ebay through a seller in Japan called matsuiyastore. I saved almost £300 on the 55 FE lens. The lens plus shipping fees (£573) and UK customs duties (£19) in total £592. Super fast delivery too! ;)
Thanks for that mediman30.
TN Args: Came out at the right time, just as I was changing my main system for something more compact, and I nearly went for it.
Then I realized what a mistake it would be because, by the time you assemble a system, it's not compact or light at all. It's actually a mirage caused by too many photos of just the body and the new 35mm.
The various operational criticisms that followed were just the icing on the cake of non-purchase.
You're right. It would be a mistake to purchase a mirage.
Max Savin: I just came back from shoot with my A7r with a Leica 21mm Super Elmar lens. Yesterday I was fooling around with a Canon 70-200 F4 L IS/Metabones 3. Today a Nikon 105 f2.5 AI. Spectacular! I note that every negative comment comes from someone who does not own one, will never own one and haven't even seen or held one. By the way, the shutter noise on this camera is way less than the noise from my 1DSmk3 or D800. And best of all so is the weight. Picture quality superb! So stop whinning
This is what I love reading about! I recently bought the A7 and was looking at a lens to buy (happened to be a Nikon). But what about the adaptor? And yep, Metabones seems to be the main choice. But not only am I learning about Sony, but other camera manufacturers too. That's a win, win!
The possibilities are virtually endless and very exciting.
Arn: All of the exposure modes (P/S/A) are broken with Auto ISO and even program shift doesn't work. When for example dialing a larger aperture, the camera will only increase shutter speed, it will not reduce ISO.
Shutter speed priority sticks to f/4, even with the 55/18!
Aperture priority will raise the ISO all the way to the maximum before lowering shutter speed under 1/60 with any lens or focal length!
Sony needs to fix this ASAP with a firmware update! I have this working perfectly with every other camera (even my compact cameras RX100 and Canon S95 can do this perfectly right, not to mention all my DSLRs). I don't expect to see this sort of cock ups on a camera of this level. AutoISO is one of the very best features of modern digital cameras, but somehow Sony was able to mess it up here, even though they get it right for compacts.
Only had my A7 a few days.
I've put it on auto ISO and shutter priority, and yes, it does start of on f4. But a bit of moving around (eg. out my window, my book case) and it DOES change.
Yes. Aperture priority when raised to the max produces a lower shutter speed. Doesn't really bother me. Switch to manual.
Not sure if it needs a 'fix' imo.
Still playing with it though. Having fun!
Heaven is for real: JPEG review should be tested this way http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3612932
Much appreciated. Thank you.
rjohnson8: The comments so far have been hilarious. Just had to register to throw in my 2c.
Seriously, you lot are the definition of what ken Rockwell calls measurebators
People here are talking about how they are going to dump all their gear because there are phone cameras with higher resolution? It's pathetic. Even if you have half the gear you claim you have, you are the same people who run a mile when anyone asks to see your portfolio.
How about all you armchair experts get off your fat ass*s and actually take some photos rather than bitching about numbers? Yes I know all about the importance of equipment when it comes to commercial photography blah blah but you would get a hell of a lot more work if you put half the energy that you spend on bitching about canon/Nikon into learning how to take a more creative shot. That's why there are kids with 3Mp camera phones who can smoke you.
Well, I just registered to this site to agree with rjohnson8.