Could this also be Canon way of their new sensors?
AlanG: Steve Ballmer edition.
Lol you got me :-D
crashpc: This is really sad and pathetic. I don´t even wish any problems to Nikon as competition. It is good competition, I am still looking for what they do as potential customer, but this is obviously not good way.
SergioSpain: 1) No, I don´t need to do updates to work safely 2) This happens because the system is open. It has nothing to do with functionality itself. Different situation, different aspect. When you open the box and plug it to power, it simply works like charm. Usually even when you bild your own from not really 100% compatible and tested parts. Still works great.
Am I not clear? Are you really asking? Yes! It might be small miracle, but one pays for it and expects it works. Other companies can do that, while it seems that Nikon´s daily bread is quirky stuff as others mentioned. Millions of computers and tablets are working out of box for fraction of money, so, what´s the problem?
This is really sad and pathetic. I don´t even wish any problems to Nikon as competition. It is good competition, I am still looking for what they do as potential customer, but this is obviously not good way.
brownie314: wow - exciting times for Canon. Another DOA product. Good work.
Yes I see. But it really isn´t duty of manufacturer to make you aware. Driving licences for life ran out of stock. I think that those cams only can be bad choice. Not really steal or rip off if you know what you´re doing. I still believe you about get what you pay for. MRSP might be too high, but street prices two months later will be okay. It´s cheep stuff and some people never have enaugh of it. You still get much greater controls, zoom and maybe features (okay, my two year old mobile phone has 10FPS burst mode), so I don´t understand this hate. It´s what it is. You have the responsibility to make good choice.
How about Sony Cyber..... :-)
How surprising is that when there is almost the same sensor mounted? Didn´t they buy it for zoom capabilities? Why then?
NDT0001: Man, whats canon doing releasing this stuff? Why don't they focus their efforts on producing products people want. In case no ones noticed they are getting creamed in the stills field by Fujifilm and Olympus , and creamed in the DSLR video field by Panasonic GH4, and Sigma now showing them how its done in high quality primes. Im very close to dumping my whole 5Dmk3 kit and 6 lenses for the above mentioned brands.
The same as EOS M, isn´t it? :-) They go from bottom. I hope we´ll see many more announcements coming from Canon.
abortabort: I don't get it. The SX400 is 'only' 30x with a tiny sensor. When you can get a much smaller 'pocketable' camera with more or less the same small sensor and zoom range, why would people buy this? I mean for the market that buys a super zoom like this, holiday snappers, would they really want a big chunker like this? Lens isn't faster, nor longer... Seems 'cheap' is the only thing potentially going for it, but then it is so cut price in so many other areas as well.
As this is MRSP, those cams will be cheaper. That´s the point. Also not everybody is happy with tiny body.
They do focus on products people want. They are market leaders so nobody wants their products? Eh, broken logic to say... They are so creamed that, oh well, I´d repeat myself. If they got really creamed in some aspect (GH4) it is not for the same price of other product capabilities and qualities. One niche feature is not going to move pretty anybody. That way they do good.
Sam808: Inexpensive superzoom = Outdated technology in new outfit = waste of money!
I think they still make some minor money with these cams. And even if they lost a little bit, if you are a leader, you must make that sacrifice and assure yourself, that customers will not run for other companies superzoom solution at all costs!
Wonder why do you all cry about cheap, entry level models. If this is cheapest superzoom Canon can do, I´m kinda happy. SX60 HS must be way better! :-)What I believe is that Canon is going to restructurate all their cams in new lines. Low end is good start.
Retzius: So I could buy the Pentax 645z with the same sensor and the whole camera for a third less than the cost of just this sensor-back?
OK Hassy... Whats next, your gonna put fancy wood on a Sony and charge 10x as much for it?
Didn´t they actually do that?
With all respect of (IN MY OPINION :-) ) better Nikon output for general use, I´m surprised how well 5D III holds its own, and how good it still is at low light. It still looks that Canon sensors noise cleans out easier, and also has better character. Hope they make some progress for their new lines, and that high megapixel count sensor will make it to APS-C, otherwise I´ll have to save some mony for Nikon :-)
Gerlesion: Great article. I was wondering how to exactly measure the image quality improvement of full frame over APS-C. Now I get it. The easiest way is to look at ISO equivalence. ISO 1600 on APS-C will have image quality similar to ISO 800 on full frame. So the difference is not so much, unless shooting in low light. But if that so, how come the DXO sharpness score is much lower for APS-C compared to Full Frame.
As already mentioned, You took only ISO speed in consideration. There is more to it. Resolution and stuff. So if you could get really equal image, you´d end up with more than one stop advantage. There is more to it. With FF and ISO speed set to 50, you are stops under APS-C sensor capabilities. What happens in real life is that in some cases you can offset these advantages with smaller system, and sometimes you can´t. If you bother first situation, go with smaller, if you use your cam in second kind of situation, go FF or bigger all the way...
crashpc: M mount still dead?No way, M3 is coming!
Well, you don't always need it to be small. It's versatile. It would be worse to not have this choice. Some use the M body on L lenses....
iullian: As much as interresting and captivating the colors are, as boring and dull are the backrounds. Change the location to the edge of a lake/sea or forest/mountains and capture the same forground with colorfull backround and the result should be spectacular. The harsh sun would ruin that, too.
Agree. There is still missing something, because this now is really as stoopid as splash, but I believe there is some potential in it.
Joachim Gerstl: No thank you for posting these. Now I know it makes no sense to produce low resolution sensors like 12MP on full frame anymore.
Indeed. But at least there is practical proof, that lower pixel amount at given area still means less noise at high ISO, while many people say otherwise, so If 24 is enaugh for you, be happy with 24 and don´t go for 36 because of noise performance.... 12, well, it really is not much these days...
M mount still dead?No way, M3 is coming!