Osa25: So exiting the two largest markets in Europe...but not its "not official" that they are winding down the biz? Hmmm
Obviously Samsung will remain in the smartphone camera business, but clearly this is the wrong time to be ENTERING the DSLR market. Should have been obvious to them.
Samsung NX is not a DSLR but a mirrorless product line. It was launched in 2010, when the ILC market was growing rapidly.
RonHendriks: Not having a DC motor and not being wheaterseald is a designflaw I don't understand.
That's some wild conclusion you're trying to reach. Despite evidence to the contrary screaming in your face. But lately, you have a pretty negative view about Pentax, I wonder why.
Get real; Pentax/Ricoh made the decision to not add weather sealing (and redesign the barrel) for this particular lens. They also made the decision to weather seal many other products.
No, it's not a design flaw. Yes, it's a design choice.
What kind of choice would it be? After all, they could have just put a DC motor (it's cheap, one can buy them on e-bay for $1) and 50 cents rubber sealing. Right?
Wrong. The lens barrel and mechanics would have to be reworked; both for an internal focus motor (be certain that Pentax didn't provision space for an internal focus motor when they designed the FA 645 35mm) and for weather sealing (which requires special construction in addition to those seals). This adds to R&D costs.
Not only that, but tooling required to make the D FA645 35mm would also have to be different (otherwise they'll make the old parts which wouldn't fit ;-)), further adding to the costs.
The design, thus, was between making a completely new but more expensive lens, and an inexpensive (for medium format) yet good wide angle. Just because it's a medium format doesn't mean it has to be $5000.
RichRMA: Side issue, the 645. Since this isn't a sports camera, is there any reason for Pentax to keep the mirror?
Without the mirror it would be quite difficult to see something in the optical viewfinder.
mmarian: It appears to be a great lens based on the specs. But quite honestly I never fully understood the so called MF hype because tyey are not MF. The MF term comes from past times. The MF term described the size of image on 120mm size roll film. All cameras which were using that film were called MEDIUM FORMAT cameras. The size of the MF was either 6cmx4.5cm or precisely 56x42.5mm ( such as Mamyi 645) or 6cmx6cm (Hasselblad ) which was 56x56mm or 6cmx7cm which was 56x68mm (Mamyia 67). These days however for some obscure reason anything larger than 35mm FF sensor is called MF. Why, I do not understand. The only sensor I know which trully represents the smallest of what used to be a genuine MF is the PhaseOne 80MP back with sensor size only slightly smaler than 56x42.5mm. Everything else is just a bit of BS and marketing jargon and it has nothing to do with true MF as we knew it. Anyway, this new lens just prompted me to have a bit of a winge but that is not to take anything from the fact that this should be a great lens even for the times when we might actually see a true MF size sensors and cameras for afordable prices.
How would you call it, then? It's a format which is larger than the small format and smaller than the large format.
If anything, what's wrong is calling the small format "full frame" ;-)
babola: Ergonomics taken a back seat this time?
Also, just how big does one's prism housing has to be...
For me, Nikon interface is weird and made for 3-handed people. YMMV.
I see no problem with the ergonomics; after all, it's a Pentax.And the prism housing have to cover a FF pentaprism, metering system, matte screen information display system and a GPS. Even so, it probably looks larger because the camera itself is quite compact (not much larger than a K-3, it seems)
TerraCheo: First of all, excuse my English because it is not my first language.
That "crop" mode could be a way to reduce the total MP to less amount, by half or so, in order to increase dynamic range, reduce noise, deal better with some lenses... through a new technology which do not use the 100% of the pixels from the whole sensor.
Nobody, as long as I know, was thinking about it unlike looking for the way to increase resolution.
But then, it would not be called 'crop' - as 'cropping' implies reducing the surface used.
vroger1: I dunno- with the predicted decline of the DSLR in favour of Mirrorless, is this a good move? Surely not in the long term.
Pentax Imaging Systems under Hoya was unable to do much; the one opportunity they took - and they were right to do it - was the 645D. But the next best opportunity - the one they weren't allowed to take - was going FF with the K-mount. Even now, the best opportunity for growth is strengthening their K-mount; not to throw everything away, starting from scratch.
Because a dedicated user base is most difficult to rebuild, once lost; OTOH there's no guarantee that a FF MILC system, unsupported by anything (e.g. APS-C user base, existing lenses) would succeed.
Chicken little posts trying to scare us into thinking otherwise are ridiculous, when we can't wait to buy the camera.
zakaria: I hope pentax comes with 2 dslrs as did nikon before when it first released d 700 and d 3. One delayed camera is not the answer to many customers. A mid range camera with 24 mps and a pro version with 36 or 42 mps sensor is making sense. One pro aps /c camera and 2 full frame cameras these are what pentax should do. The pro aps /c is for da lenses and the full frames for dfa lenses. No more KS series.
2 DSLRs right now is one too many and yes, a single targeted camera can serve the needs of many of their customers.By the way, we already know it will be ONE camera. For now.
Nikon with D3 closely followed by a D700 is not a good example about what Ricoh Imaging/Pentax should do; first, because Nikon already had the user base to support it, and second - let's look at their launch prices: $5000 for the D3 and $3000 for the D700. Neither camera was cheap. OTOH I'd say the 2 DSLR idea implies hope that one of them would be a cheap model.
Another mistake is to assume that Pentax needs no entry level DSLR. That would be a disaster, with Pentax unable to get new users.
With the reality not conforming with said prediction, it surely is. ;-)
A large sensor mirrorless system can be added later. Working on the K-mount now is not the same as closing other possibilities.
andy amos: April 1st, looking more plausible!!If they had shown images for the display system out of I-Robot on April Fools Day, I'd be laughing! Does the market really require such an excess? If the competition is that tough, why don't they make the display removable altogether, maybe use wifi, and add internet and 3G, oh, thats sounds like my HD mobile phone! Hmm now thats a thought?? Oh, darn, gopro do that already!
Nice try.Pentax does that already, too - either via built-in WiFi or using an optional WiFi card. It makes little sense to have 2 wireless displays.
Jack Simpson: Under glass, eh, …. hopefully not deja-vu from September 2000 :o …. http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8322647280/pentaxdigitalslr
Ricoh Imaging kept their promises ;)
jhinkey: Is now really a good time for a company to come out with their first full-frame DSLR when likely a mirrorless full frame design would be where camera technology is going in general? Can they make money with a FF DSLR?
Yes, it is. Ideally they should have done it years ago but Hoya wouldn't support such a project; asap is the next best time.Contrary to the mirrorless hype, the camera market is not going towards mirrorless; the DSLR dominance will continue for a while. This is actually good, because we can choose whatever works better for us, even using both kinds of cameras depending on the situation.
rogerstpierre: Wow... why focusing on the performance of the 10 year old GR, which makes it sounds bad, whereas the current GR is an outstanding camera that is hard to beat in the APS-C format. I hope Ricoh didn't come up with this unnecessarily demeaning statement.
I understand that; but while you're talking about intention, I'm talking about (perceived) effect.
rogerstpierre and zakaria have a point; the poor performance of the old GR Digital is completely irrelevant, but it adds a bit of negativity to the announcement.
(unknown member): ... seems that's what Ricohpentax are best in: TEASING ;-)
I was trying to find the largest medium format sensor in use, regardless of its technology.I don't think Pentax would go back to CCDs. I don't expect a 645 with a larger sensor, for now.
The Pentax 645 format had an useful size of 56x41.5mm. Phase One digital backs like the 60-80MP IQ-series are using sensors up to 53.9x40.4mm - close enough for all practical purposes, but still not "full sized".However, the real problem is the price, much higher than the 645Z's.
Graham Austin: A lot of people saying the FF ship has sailed, just speaking for myself here, but I have been holding out for a decent FF that is affordable and isn't mirrorless not made by Nikon or Canon... who else makes this?
It definitely hasn't, and I can see that you don't like it at all ;-)
The worried other system users attacking a perceived threat (i.e. Pentax) is a good sign. Annoying, yes, but a good sign nevertheless.
D135ima: Lenses from Tamron and Tokina, compact cameras from Olympus. Nice !!! Next step - DSLR bodies