rogerstpierre: Wow... why focusing on the performance of the 10 year old GR, which makes it sounds bad, whereas the current GR is an outstanding camera that is hard to beat in the APS-C format. I hope Ricoh didn't come up with this unnecessarily demeaning statement.
I understand that; but while you're talking about intention, I'm talking about (perceived) effect.
rogerstpierre and zakaria have a point; the poor performance of the old GR Digital is completely irrelevant, but it adds a bit of negativity to the announcement.
Sandy Fleischberg: ... seems that's what Ricohpentax are best in: TEASING ;-)
I was trying to find the largest medium format sensor in use, regardless of its technology.I don't think Pentax would go back to CCDs. I don't expect a 645 with a larger sensor, for now.
The Pentax 645 format had an useful size of 56x41.5mm. Phase One digital backs like the 60-80MP IQ-series are using sensors up to 53.9x40.4mm - close enough for all practical purposes, but still not "full sized".However, the real problem is the price, much higher than the 645Z's.
Graham Austin: A lot of people saying the FF ship has sailed, just speaking for myself here, but I have been holding out for a decent FF that is affordable and isn't mirrorless not made by Nikon or Canon... who else makes this?
It definitely hasn't, and I can see that you don't like it at all ;-)
The worried other system users attacking a perceived threat (i.e. Pentax) is a good sign. Annoying, yes, but a good sign nevertheless.
D135ima: Lenses from Tamron and Tokina, compact cameras from Olympus. Nice !!! Next step - DSLR bodies
It will get a full sized chip which is smaller than 645Z's miniature sensor...
Anastigmat: Many Pentax users have moved on, tired of waiting for a Pentax FF. Not sure if they will return. It is one of the biggest blunders in Pentax history to have refused to release a FF until the DSLR market took a downturn.
Who is "openly and vociferously opposing" FF?
Many did, many did not. And there are Pentax users who did not want FF back then, but they want it now.Blame Hoya for the delay. Praise Ricoh for doing it.
Rick_Hunter: Come on', it's ONLY 10 years too late (canon 5D was released in 2005)...
By this standard, Nikon was 7 years late (D600, their first "affordable" FF) - and look where they are now ;)
And I'm preparing to jump from APS-C to FF, mostly because of the larger optical viewfinder. I'm not in a hurry, and I'd rather do that without changing the brand.
Petroglyph: I wonder if Ricoh will re-badge Tamron 15-30 f/2.8 & Tamron 150-600 S as Pentax lenses? Apparently, the new Pentax will be manufactured at the same Tamron plant as those two.
As much as I dislike this rebadging stuff (because Pentax should be known for their optical designs, first and foremost), there is only one non-low end Tamron rebadge, with a good chance for another one.And they also announced the Pentax-made D FA 150-450 and D FA* 70-200 this year.
Anirban Banerjee: SDM motor again? SDM has been a disaster for Pentax. What happened to the newer DC motor?
Yes, it's a ring-type Tamron designed "ultrasonic" motor.Changing it to a Pentax-designed SDM makes no sense, and it would imply many alterations to the lens' barrel and mechanics. It would take much effort to replace a superior solution with an inferior one.
I see people are making this assumption, which is nonsense.They're also making another assumption, with even less sense: that a M.Y. 2015 lens would use the same problematic SDM as the firsts 16-50 and 50-135. Because later lenses were OK, reliability-wise (still using micromotors, but nowhere near being a 'disaster').
P.S. I will say once again that Canon names 'USM' both consumer "ultrasonic" micromotors and ring-type motors.
The 15-30, probably - they have a lens with a similar range on the public roadmap.The 150-600, nope. They made their own 150-450mm. It's not like Pentax is on a quest to rebadge every Tamron lens; they just want a full range of lenses, asap.
Frank_BR: The DSLR market is on decline, but you can understand that Nikon and Canon want to explore the DSLR concept until the very end. Nikon and Canon are the hegemonic forces in the DSLR market, and they act as the captain who does not want to leave the sinking ship. In contrast, Pentax has no tradition in full-frame digital cameras. So it is hard to see the wisdom of Pentax introducing a full-frame DSLR camera in 2016. It will be as timely as the launch by an audio company of a turntable for vinyl records. It would be far more sensible if Pentax launched a mirrorless FF camera.
Those mirrorless fans... oblivious to the reality, still hoping those d*mn DSLRs would die - because there must be only one ILC technology!
FTR, the DSLR market is still over 3 times as large as the MILC one and it seems stabilized or at least stabilizing. So you'll have to suffer the atrocity of having an alternative type of ILC.
Yeah, sure. Last time they did it, they got the 645Z.
JJ1983: Am I the only one that finds it an actual pity that Ricoh Pentax does not make original lenses anymore, only rebrands?
The format is important, though, otherwise my smartphone wins over medium format anytime, due to its f/2 lens ;)Your m4/3 lenses are designed to cover a format almost 4 times smaller.
panpen: I am genuinely surprised to find out Pentax is still in business making digital cameras. I'm yet to see one tourist/photographer on the streets of NY using a Pentax. That probably explains why most forums don't even have a Pentax sub forum. Pentax might still be in this business due to some hardcore Pentax cheerleaders. They are the only ones seeing the end of the rainbow, the magic of HD coating (whatever that is) in their final pictures. I flipped a few pages on Flickr and couldn't find a reason to own such system. Canikon is equally good and they already have tons of lenses to choose from. No need to get excited if they 'reinvent' the wheel.
a-flying-wuss: nice try. But you see, we're not 'average' - we're the best, and thus we need the best cameras ;-)I expect it will sell well, perhaps like the 645Z with a demand exceeding the expectations.
samhain: The 24-70 is THE zoom lens for full frame professional shooters. Bad move using a re-badged tamron for what will be the most used zoom lens for full frame shooters.
They should've thrown everything and the kitchen sink at this lens. This should've been a star* lens. Or better yet- DA* 24-70 f2. Now that's a lens that will make photographers jump up and switch brands! Throw in a metal bodied DA* 50mm f1.2, 85mm f1.2, and 135mm f1.8 and Pentax would be the talk of the town.
I really hope Ricoh/Pentax has some more exciting lenses up their sleeve. Because that's what it's gonna take to turn heads outside of current Pentax shooters. All the old lenses, as awesome as they are... Aren't going to cut it with high resolution 36mp or 42mp FF sensors...
It cannot have the star and be made by Tamron. It doesn't have the required build quality, weather sealing level etc.A D FA* would be a completely different product, and much more expensive. Think about the 70-200.
Nice from you to call us 'hardcore Pentax cheerleaders'. But you see, Pentax makes cameras which are a joy to use - so why not using them?There's nothing magical, but expertise and a long tradition resulting in such products. HD coating is not magical; it's just a coating with similar performance as the most modern nano-coatings, however it's not even Pentax' best (that would be the more expensive - and fragile - Aero Bright Coating). But you see, be it HD or SMC we're used to flare-resistant lenses, because multicoatings were always a strong point for Pentax. A mere standard Tamron coating would not cut it. Nor anything but the likes of Nano Crystal ;-)