I'd rather get Rx... Not necessarly. I like primes more than fast zoom lens for a variety of reasons. I like that product is supported for firmware updates. I don't know if image quality is enough justification for purchase for person like me. Does is have better image stabilization or cleaner microphone sound for video than phone or alternative. Does it do better focus tracking than phone or alternative for stills and video? It has to stomp a compact camera in other areas not just match up for $600.
zakoops: Will be interested to find out if BSI-stacked sensor of RX100M4 ($1000) has about twice the image quality of BSI Nikon J5 ($500), both being 1” and 20MB sensors.
Upgraded video is quite nice, but first what about image quality?
Sony has more subject isolation with RX vs kit lens of J5. Both are fine at theme park during the day. At a dim outdoor restaurant, Sony has the edge. You should use the flash of J5 more often. Or switch to 1.8/ 18.5mm lens for isolation and lower light with J5. Kit now $700.
steelhead3: Is Nikon using the Sony 1" sensor now?
I still think this new improved Aptina sensor with Sony influence.
jimr: The Nikon results look great. Very sharp.
Aptina and Sony have been sharing image sensor patents with cross license agreement for over two years. Readout speeds of Sony sensors has improved over the last few years. I still think this new improved Aptina sensor with Sony influence.
Edgar Matias: Nikon 1 lenses are generally no smaller than m4/3 lenses, so for ILC cameras there's not much point going smaller than the m4/3 sensor size.
Most APS-C lenses are quite a bit larger than m4/3, and FF lenses larger still. As sensors continue to improve, I think FF may be completely replaced by APS-C.
EDIT: sorry this was meant to be a reply to @D200_4me comment
I have Nikon 1 lens and m4/3 lens. Guess what Nikon 1 lens are smaller and some with less optical compromises for the given size and cheaper. You should have a speciality use for Nikon 1 J5, or family member needing move past P&S. Like young active teen. (Great focus and tracking,easy depth of field) P&S replacement to complement your other gear, (Small camera that you could add wide zoom lens, vs other large lens to change in the field)
It's a little funny and lame too. But it's message is for the "All In" or "All out crowd." You meet them... Examples the say: "This is a once and a life time." Plenty Often.
I think this great camera because Nikon will now look at this segment closer because Canon made something. I need a prosumer version that's reasonable priced.
AngryCorgi: I'm assuming this is an Aptina sensor still. Can anyone verify?
There was an article that stated that Aptina and Sony entered into a cross patent license agreement in 2013. Either way less excuse to not improve image quality by now.
Fuji XF1 successor 1" sensor ok. Fuji X30 bigger than 1" sensor in between m43 and 1". That would be cool.
photoguy622: Another reason someone needs to release a true RX100 competitor!
I don't care for RX100 competitor! Or the Rx100. I hope Fuji goes bigger sensor. Maybe 1/2 APSC in between the 1" and M43's but closer to M43's. The X20 design is not for the pant pocket. I can't imagine going bigger lens and sensor with same design, yet make it fit in pant pockets. The XF1 design is what you want. Here hoping x30 goes 1/2 APSC and competes with G1x II.
bluevaping: I won't be defecting to Adobe for anything. Pixelmator is all I need, will get even more keen and has system support for Apple raw. I don't get paid to work with raw. Lots of newer camera correct for so much and have in camera raw if you amateur like me. I do recommend on learning to work with it, just not filling the Adobes pockets ever month if you don't get enough value.
I said I know what it is and have used it. Just don't not to use a professional raw editor for minor changes.
I won't be defecting to Adobe for anything. Pixelmator is all I need, will get even more keen and has system support for Apple raw. I don't get paid to work with raw. Lots of newer camera correct for so much and have in camera raw if you amateur like me. I do recommend on learning to work with it, just not filling the Adobes pockets ever month if you don't get enough value.
bluevaping: I like the kit lens idea on this camera. People assume the main advantage with m43 over APSC is smaller lens. But covering a wider range seems like a good idea too.
I was taking about value out of the standard camera box kit. Yeah there are $400+ add on lens you can buy. I was just saying this is smart in this entry level M43's model. Where some people can't justify or know what lens combos to buy yet. They just know it covers more than most standard lens out of the box.
I like the kit lens idea on this camera. People assume the main advantage with m43 over APSC is smaller lens. But covering a wider range seems like a good idea too.
Richard Murdey: I still find it head-scratching that the RX10 and FZ1000 are praised for their performance and image quality, while a Nikon 1 camera with either of the 10-100 superzoom lenses is held is such low respect it doesn't even warrant a word of disparagement.
The Nikon 1 cameras can be too pedestrian for someone chasing ultimate photo quality, feature or value in the sea of cameras. There is plenty of quite fans of the system like me. I am dedicated follower of what gets me the results I like, not just features or brand. I think it the Nikon 1 cameras were good enough idea that others are following with their own 1" sensor camera that could be better or worse in some ways. Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, maybe Fuji soon. Not the same mount, but more followers for the digital sensor size than M43.
Absolutic: My biggest problem with Sony rx10 was (otherwise it is a terrific camera) its slow zooming of its great lens. It is painfully slow and I understand it can be benefit for video but for photography it is a pain to go from wide to fully Tele by the time it zooms u lost a moment. With any DSLR or older bridge camera with manual zoom ring it is super fast with a twist. Everything else about Sony rx10 is amazing and I prefer 2.8 to f4 even if it is 200mm vs 400mm.
But neither preview or first impression at dpreview addresses this important point, how is the speed of zoom? I know there are 5 speeds but how fast from on to tele position and then back to wide?
Well it's seems ok. Not Pro enough. I want to be able take picture of a model at a cliffside and her eye in focus, blur some of her face with shallow depth of field, and the rest of the background, so you can't tell a difference were she at and then use PS to even blur more fine pixel detail in Raw, you know art. But for the other 95% of what I do this could work!
Looleylaylow: As if the Nikon 1 system wasn't already sufficiently worthless. Good for Sony and Panasonic for fully killing it off.
I wouldn't call it worthless, for some people they need faster than 1/2000 shutter speed that rx 100 offers. Or a specialty lens as back up option to bigger 1" zoom camera. But I agree they need to step up there game, adjust prices, and narrow models down.
I have been rocking 1" sensor camera for years now. I have been waiting for something like this. I already have my back up with 1" camera with hybrid type focus to match. This camera is on top of the list. I wonder if another camera company will do something similar.
The should add the fuji instant camera in this story to the gear in this story section. You don't need the latest gear to do stuff like this. I have some good med prints of street shots in Turkey that I got for 1/3 XT1 price with lens. Photos not at this quality though, for my purpose is over kill. But great prints. Any how travel photography can be fun. I like to bring a small printed pocket photo album to share about me and where I am from. It's better than handing off your phone to a stranger.
SergeyMS: RX100II - excellent camera, I use it every day. I definitely will buy RX100III! But, I have no need in so wide lenses, but prefer 100 mm more than 70.
You have a camera that fits your needs. But the new model you have no need for wide and prefer 100mm. Do you also prefer the hotshot too? So it's totally wrong for you and it's a must buy!