shot with: Olympus OM-D E-M5, Panasonic Lumix G 45-200mm f/4-5.6
PAUL TILL: I've got to say it.
In the 4 years I've been here at dpreview I don't ever remember a newbie complaining that the forum was awkward to navigate, in fact I don't recall ever hearing anyone say it needed overhauling.
Sometimes things just work and in my opinion there was absolutely nothing wrong with the old styles. We had a few glitches after your move across the ocean but other than that it was perfect.
It's like when a car manufacturer spends millions of £'s developing the handling on their car and the owner sticks a set of alloys on it with the wrong offset and wonders why it no longer handles as it should.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Well, I AM a newbie, and the reason I never complained about the forum was because it took only one glance to see this terribly old-fashioned 'threaded view' and decided to stay away from it..
The new version doesn't look too appealing either, but at least now I understand you can avoid totally out of time 'threaded view', so I might have a look in the near future.
Anadrol: Making a camera with 3G and Android... but that doesn't make calls, how stupid is that !
I hope that Cyanogen mod will be ported to it !
Believe it or not, but that's exactly what I would want: a good p&s camera that can make phone calls. I bought the Nokia808 2 days ago, so I have two years before I buy something else, but I really hope by then I can buy one of those 'silly' hybrids.
but.. does it make phone calls? The title suggests so, but I can't seem to find any confirmation in the text.
Interesting developments, and I can see a lot of uses for them, not only for photography.If these fixed internal batteries mean there is going to be a universal way to charge them, I would really welcome it. My problem with batteries isn't so much the shape, but their incompatability and the fact they all need different chargers.I do a lot of trekking, carrying 2 camera's, a GPS device and a cell phone, with usually very few opportunities to recharge, and the weight&volume of all the extras I have to carry around to keep them all juiced up I have to take is the limiting factor.
I would love to see a future where every device has its internal power, and that you'd only have to carry one single charger device (solar and/or batteries) that connects to all of them.
I just purchased the digital version of the book (ePub format) and tried to read it on a desktop PC, using Adobe Digital Editions.
The layout has been destroyed completely, the quality of the small pictures is poor (you want to study those examples, don't you?); images that are supposed to go together (like images and histograms) are all over the place, and it is unclear which text refers to which image. Many pictures to which the text refers seem to be missing.. :/I've seen a sample of the original layout, so I know what it's supposed to look like.The quality is unacceptable. Unbelievable they even release a mutilated product like this.
I asked for, and got, a full refund. I'll buy the printed version.
J. Qian: None GPS is a turnoff for me.
Lightroom 4 made it extremely easy to geotag your pictures with an external GPS device (which usually work a lot better anyway). Just load the .gpx track into Lightroom and autotag your photos.No reason to drain your camera battery for GPS data.
tomeee: the x100 is great as it is.
ha ha hawell, we all know it's not 'perfect', yet it consistently gives me the quality pictures that I'm looking for. So yes, it makes me happy happy happy! :)
I use it a lot for company visits, trade fairs and other excursions. It's ideal for those indoor situations; RAWs at ISO3200, f/2 look just great. Never have been disappointed with the results so far. Me happy. Companies happy. Customers happy. Everybody happy. Yay! :)
Ignace: Some background: I'm a proud owner of an old OM system. Bought my first digital (Olympus E-30) last year. Great camera. Ridiculously horrific ownwer's manual--pure garbage.
New to digital, I needed something that a human being could actually understand. Based on the garbage manual, I swore that I would never buy another Olympus camera.
Then, doing research on the Nikon D7000, I noticed the new Olympus EM-5. Based on the exhaustive DPREVIEW, the quality of the pictures is better than any APS-C camera available for comparison! (If I'm correct, the otherwise excellent review should have made this point clearly!)
So, I am seriously considering the EM-5. Before I hit my head against the wall again, however, I wonder if you, more experienced EM-5 users, could help me with some info:
--Is the Owner's Manual actually comprehensible, or another piece of garbage?
--Can anyone confirm that the Leica lenses used by the Lumix cameras are also "AOK" for the EM-5?
Thank you so much!
The manual is a bit of a poorly written mess, and use of the camera is not straightforward; it takes hours before things start to make sense. When you reach that point, you know you have a great camera in your hands. I have mine one week now, and the camera's results make me very very happy!
If a well written manual is essential to you; don't bother with the EM-5, or wait until there is a 3rd party book which explains things more clearly and in a better organized fashion.
However, if you make the effort to learn, and work your way through a frustration or two, the camera itself won't disappoint you.
Priaptor: If I were a Fuji owner, as many of you are, I wouldn't be gloating so much. The Sony NEX-7 literally blows the door off your investments, but a discussion for another time.
My take on the X series, is as an owner of an M9 who Leica is appealing to with their X line, the camera just doesn't make sense. But neither does the NEX-7 or Fuji variants, for me, no matter how compelling Sony and Fuji variants are.
Those of us already shooting with an M already have a compact and wonderful camera. I rather buy another lens.
Just my opinion.
@gullevek: have you updated your firmware to the latest version? I am totally happy now with the AF on the X100, even in low light. If yours is still slow, the problem might be in your camera.
Comparing the X100 to the NEX-7 is silly; the only thing they have in common are their sensor size, but they are completely different cameras, for different uses.
brumd: I'm still in doubt whether I should buy the body only, or with the 12-50 lens. I like the fact that it's weathersealed, that could be really useful, but I am a bit worried how the motorized zoom affects battery life. I'm taking this camera out in the wild without any change to recharge batteries for more than a week.
Will the motorized zoom reduce the number of shots per battery dramatically, or will it be limited to, let's say, <10%? Anyone knows? Thanks!
that built in macro function sounds very interesting...
@MadBob: aha! I was wondering that! OK, maybe that makes the lens interesting enough for me for €200 extra.@thewhitehawk: I was hoping that within 2 months there would be chinese alternatives available. We'll see..
Thanks for your answers! :)
I'm still in doubt whether I should buy the body only, or with the 12-50 lens. I like the fact that it's weathersealed, that could be really useful, but I am a bit worried how the motorized zoom affects battery life. I'm taking this camera out in the wild without any change to recharge batteries for more than a week.
Neodp: Assuming one starts with a great photo (technique), and a good JPEG(embedded in the Raw), and right out of the camera, anyone can then edit it for more potential quality, and also then, for styles/treatments/presets. However, not many can actually improve them, overall! Thus, we have Light-room, and still, its not necessarily an improvement, due to subjectivity. You might like your creation. It is art, after-all. However, you may find, that unbiased viewers prefer the (good) original; after all your work. The point is, there's something much deeper, than your choice of editor. You can mess up, difficult to define realism, for one example. Much like the camera, these are just your preferred brushes. That doesn’t say, that they are all the same, however.
If you like limits, and false promises, then envoy your Lightroom. If you want state of the art (freely upgradable, to tomorrows), then you would prefer ufraw, the Gimp, an open file-manager, and all the export options.
Reading about your "smooth" workflows with your *free* programs reminds me how lucky I feel that, somewhere end 2008, I purchased a program that can take care of it all: from importing the images from the memory card to my HD and make an automatic backup, to organizing, tagging, rating and comparing view options to make a first selection, do fast non-destructive editting, make a final selection, create a collection, and do a 1 click publishing to my webspace.
Almost 4 years, and 70.000 pictures later, I have a clean database in which I can find any picture within 10 seconds, I have decent backups, I always now which version is which, I don't have any unnecessary double versions.
And whenever I feel a picture needs editing that goes beyond Lr, I can open Ps or any other editor from within Lr , so I always know that copy is going to stay with the original. Never any confusion, not even after years.
(I type this on a Ubuntu laptop; I use Inkscape, Blender, Open Office on a daily basis)
e moez: I notice in the "specs" it says no digital zoom for the OM-D E-M5. However I see references to :
One-push 2X 'Digital Tele-converter' for doubling Optical Zoom (Full Resolution with Pixel Interpolation by TruePic VI)
in one review of the camera. So would this be a quick easy to double the focal lengths of any lenses? Does the camera indeed have this feature???
yes, according to the user manual (see p.64)http://olympusamerica.com/files/oima_cckb/E-M5_Instruction_Manual_EN.pdf
So why should i buy olympus OM D EM-5 999 USD ( body only) on amazon instead of Pentax K-5 989.89 USD ( body only)? Only for tickness?
Nobody can answer that question for you, since you neglect to tell what you want to use your camera for.
I can only speak for myself why I choose the EM-5 as my next camera. For me, the introduction of the m4/3 system some years ago was a true blessing, since it enabled me to finally take a better camera on my travels. I do a lot of multiday mountain trekking; not only can I carry my m4/3 camera, but also 3 objectives (including a telezoom to shoot the occasional wildlife), some filters, a second camera (Fujifilm X100), spare batteries/SD-cards, and a small gorillapod tripod, all on my hip, so I don't have to take my 15-20kg backpack off to take pictures. More important: I still have enough freedom of movement to climb rocks.The EM-5 offers dramatic improvement in IQ and many other aspects compared to my current GF1.
In short: if it's important for you to have a reasonably complete camera system within reach all the time without breaking your back, m4/3 might be your choice.
Jeiff: Is AF really faster in photo mode or only in movie mode?
yes, AF is really really faster in photo mode.
For a moment I thought the firmware-upgrade also dramatically improved the long writing time.. then I realized I had to switch it back to capturing RAW :/
This long time in which it is impossible to change camera settings, for me, is the only real issue with this camera. If only settings could be changed during the writing time.Otherwise, this firmware upgrade is really great. I love to have easy access to the ND-filter, and the dramatic improvement in autofocus time is awesome!
Brian Mosley: Excellent preview, this is a really exciting incremental development... At last, a m4/3rds camera to take on the best features of the E-1 and E-400. This camera will complement my X100 much better than the X-Pro 1 would have done... Provided Olympus can squeeze better dynamic range from that sensor.
How soon will dpreview get a production camera to test thoroughly?
same here. I love my X100! Only "disadvantage" is that I almost stopped using my GF1, because of the great difference in quality; the lack in dynamic range being an even greater problem than the high ISO noise. Always a hassle to prevent blown out bits on cloudy days.The EM5 brings hope for being able to continue using my m43 objectives. I learned from my X100 that I love real dials/buttons, so I consider this a good candidate. Can't wait for the full review!