Another poll could be made for cameras with smaller sensors like 1/1.7" and 1/2.3", the small super-zoom compacts as well as for these bulky with long zoom like Powershot SX50 and Coolpix P510.
schaki: Nice test, but really, why is not Ricoh GR Digital IV included? fixed focal length or not, it belongs to this group of capable compact cameras.Hoping to get a good explanation from Dpreview staff and not some 'it is too old' or similar answer, as it still is an actual camera model from Ricoh in the waiting of the GRDV which should be announced in the first half of 2013.
Trying to keep brands or certain models away from a test by making it a test for zoom-cameras only sounds problematic to me. It could easily be explained shortly that the GRD-line is slightly niched but still belongs to the group of advanced compacts with 1/1.7" sensor.
If the GRDIV is too old. That means that the Fujifilm X10 not would have been included either because it is obviously near the end of it's life as well and announced only 14 days before the GRDIV - on Sep 1, 2011
The GRD IV announced on Sep 15, 2011, according to the announcements on this site. GRDIV http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/9/15/ricohGRD4announcedX10 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/9/1/fujifilmx10
Richard Butler wrote"Each camera we include adds significantly to the amount of time taken to produce the article, so we have to draw the lines somewhere. I'm afraid that meant excluding the GRD on this occasion."
And also excluding future GRD models from upcoming tests as well, presumably ;)
Photomarcus: The fuji x10 has probably for me the best body. But if I compare it in terms of IQ with the others,it'sreally steps below. And it's a real shame because I love it. I don't understand why we can finf it in this roundup.I will have your opinion..
Have you lowered the Nr for the ooc jpegs in the X10? might be possible to squeeze out more details by using Low Nr or if Off is available. It should benefit from raw as well. With this said I've not used the X10 myself.
Nice test, but really, why is not Ricoh GR Digital IV included? fixed focal length or not, it belongs to this group of capable compact cameras.Hoping to get a good explanation from Dpreview staff and not some 'it is too old' or similar answer, as it still is an actual camera model from Ricoh in the waiting of the GRDV which should be announced in the first half of 2013.
ybizzle: Why would you not take the X100 over this? Half the price and much better looking!
Sure, X100 is certainly good but for me I would rather choose an Epson R-D1 or a Leica M8. This X2 seems to have slight problem with CA as well, looking at the right rear wheel of that wagon in following picture. With that said I don't know how serious it might be. Have only had a look at 4 of the pictures.http://masters.galleries.dpreview.com.s3.amazonaws.com/2306079.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=14Y3MT0G2J4Y72K3ZXR2&Expires=1353223952&Signature=YH5ASZa3vLp8XgA%2fmRJH4NQmf%2fs%3d
Aps-c for the lose - Full frame for the win...
wus: I wonder what the real sizes of these sensor are... normally 1/4 is 3.2 x 2.4 mm, at 5 MP (2582 x 1936 pixels) this results in a pixel pitch of 1.24 microns, resulting in a pixel area 22% smaller than what it would for the 1.4 microns claimed above.
The OV8835 are 1/3.2-inch according to information on the homepage. http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=127That is ather disappointing sensor-size imo and also to some part explains why it is only 8mp. Would not make huge lot of good sense to try and stuff 12 or 16mp on such a tiny sensor. yet Nikon have managed rather well with the Sony cmos 1/2.3" 16mp in their Coolpix P510 which is a really good superzoom. That sensor size is usually marginally bigger but still not found in many performance-compacts.
worldcup1982: Here comes the V2...with minor improvements, too bad...im into photos, not video....nikon, you will stay behind competition....mirrorless all over the place, and nikon worried about not hurting their APS-C sales....
"nikon worried about not hurting their APS-C sales...."
That's exactly what they'll do by not respond properly to mirrorless camera systems like Fuji X-mount, Sony Nex, Samsung NX and also to some extent m4/3.Many new buyers or existing is going to make the switch to mirrorless aps-c with short flange back distance sooner or later. More bulk is not what most of them want so they'll probably not look a lot at aps c dslrs.
The image in this 'news' are taken with from the 1/2.3" AR1820HS.Not the 1"AR1011HS.It is especially the DR-Pix Technology in the 10mp 1" AR1011HS which I find to be the interesting feature with that sensor."adjustable pixel response optimized for best noise-performance in all scene conditions"Sounds good. But remain to be witnessed how well it actually works.Problem is that most manufacturers are in bed with Sony when it comes to sensors and not willing to even test something new or different for their compact cameras.
Lol @ how the red highligts in the red Kodak-signs have been badly blown to a lighter form of red. Not a very good shot imo. But it somehow comically just mirrors the fading away of Kodak.
Paul Petersen: I think this is where building DX lenses will come back to haunt Nikon since folks that bought them will resist upgrading to FF and stick with their Cropped sensors. Rather than upgrade their Camera and Lenses.
I never bought any single DX lens when I still used my D1H actively and never am I going to do so either. Basically I stopped use my Nikon gear about two years ago but since the old manual focus lenses I have for it is quite good I chose to keep that kit. 105 2.5 AiS, 35mm 1.4 Ai, Sigma 24mm 2.8 macro and also the AF 20-35mm 2.8 which is a non DX PJ-zoom of the good old school.Just in case Nikon would come up with something good that makes sense like mirrorless aps-c camera bodies which I can use these lenses comfortably with. Until then, I'll continue use quality compacts like the Ricoh GR Digital MKI and also keep an eye on the battle of the mirrorless systems. Especially Fujifilm and Samsung.
Still the same NP-50 battery as in X10 which had a slight reputation for being power-hungry. Hope that Fujifilm have managed power consumption better this time.As others have noticed, the slow 4.9 aperture at the long end is a downgrade. The zoom is at least wider now.
eddiephtgrphr: This camera is still not affordable. I was under the impression that there will be a price range between $1200 and $1500 Cdn.
The D7000 is a pretty aging stuff that should be replaced. Can't keep the DX crap forever.
Soon to be, R.I.P Kodak photography.
As bulky as a entry level Dslr or wrose and only 1/2.3" cmos and a short zoom compared to the Coolpix P510 and some others that it probably are about to struggle to compete successfully with. Pentax are out to make fun of themselves again it seems like. Maybe Pentax should have focused on something that might make better sense like small pancakes to that mirrorless Q, which was another mistake from their side.
Lol at all no-viewfinder-whiners. These so called viewfinders in compact cameras are next to useless anyway like the one in Fujifilm X10 wiht only 85% coverage. SO, nothing to miss really...My old 2mp Coolpix 700 from 1999 had a good viewfinder to be in a digital compact and also the Powershot G1. But in general for newer cameras, it is and remains crap.Between. Dropping the tilt-up screen for the new flip out is something of a mistake. Shooting comfortably from belly-level in SP is quite nice.
To call this update a J2 is a bit strange. J1.5 would have been more fair.Even though the Nikon 1 has its nice features which can be very useful for candid and streetphotography. Though I still not quite see how this concept are going to be a real success, trying to sell it to professionals.I can swear that even these want smaller and lighter gear to lug a around and probably not smaller sensor-size than Aps-c or 4/3 as worst.
Olympus for example never quite managed to break through and challenge the big boys, like Canon and Nikon, when the major part of the DSLR war still was going on. That although them initially used nice Kodak-ccds and had a reputation of having some great lenses.
onlooker: So what happened in 2000 after Coolpix 990 was released? Someone at Nikon said, "Nah, this is way too cool"? Nikon apparently agreed, since 990 was the last Nikon compact that justified its "Coolpix" name.
For the benefit of those who do not remember the 990:
Actually the Coolpix-downhill began or had already begun when the 990 camera came. The jpeg engine is rather bad compared to it's predecessor, the 950. Default sharpening is too high and I found the need to set it to low to get a better, more natural look. The colors also comes out weird too often. I spent a lot of time trying to tweak the in-camera parameters so that the 990 would perform as well as it might if the jpeg-engine had been what it should be. Between these two, I would reach for the 950 any day. I actually have one and it is not only as a retro-compact as it can be quite capable if one know how to use it to get the best from it.The 950's "brother" the Coolpix 700 which uses the same ccd are also a good performer. These two belongs to an era before Nikon began to fumble around with their Coolpixes. I had the Coolpix 5400 for a short while but disliked the obvious digital look which is far less present in the pictures I take with 950. Oh, and it is also awfully slow...
To offer such a small and seemingly nice lens only to Canon and Nikon-mounts are a mistake. Being so short, almost like a real pancake it would definitely make sense to make it available for Fujifilm X-moun, Sony NEX and Samsung NX also. 42mm which the focal length would still be very usable
They've got it right with the close-focus distance 22cm/0.2m, which makes better sense than the so often common 30cm which I often found less useful.
IcyVeins: Are these travel zoom compacts ever going to have good IQ?
Yes. But unfortunately only the Canon Powershot SX240, SX260 and also the Fujifilm Finepix 770EXR when the later is used in Raw. The jpeg output is ok but not splendid.Having already had a look at many full size images before these tests began to drop in.Pentax Optio VS20 are also trash like this HX20V at full size and so are the Olympus SZ-31 MR iHS.The first full-size samples from Samsung WB850 is not promising either with smudging going on.Ricoh CX6 is merely ok. Default NR could be lower and can be set to Off. I'm just not sure how much it helps to pull out the details. CX4 have lower default NR than CX5 and CX6.