Hopefully Canon improved the somewhat slow AF and also kept the Low NR from the SX260.
No lenses compatible with Fujifilm X or Samsung NX_mount eh? That's too bad as these two currently leads the pack.
Rather, Actual Nightmare, app, as it reveals just how bad NR in the Iphone 5 is ;)Iphone 4 and and 4S seem to be better, not to mention the Nokia N8 and PV 808.
Richard Murdey: Ricoh GR Digital is worried right about now.
Guess not. Ricoh filed a patent for a new Aps-c 28mm equivalent lens which probably is going to be used in the GRD V. Not same lens as in the GXR A12 28mm.As usually in the compact camera segment, Ricoh is going to offer superior customizable user interface.
AllOtherNamesTaken: 1/2.3" for $400? Pass. Again.
Yes. A similar waste like the Nikon Coolpix P300 and P310 which also had fast lens at the wide end but only 1/2.3" Cmos or Bsi-cmos.At least the P310 wa a good improvement over the P300 with a new sensor, better jpeg engine and Nr Low as option which the P300 not had. But still, no raw. At least the XZ-10 offer raw.
schaki: Sounds great. That we finally get a 'PV 808' with WP8.I've lost count of how mani times I for myself have cursed the headless decision of Nokia to stick with that old, outdated Symbian OS POS for a model like the 808 which had so held so much potential.
Maybe them should have given such a model decent hardware to run able WP8, then...
Sounds great. That we finally get a 'PV 808' with WP8.I've lost count of how mani times I for myself have cursed the headless decision of Nokia to stick with that old, outdated Symbian OS POS for a model like the 808 which had so held so much potential.
The usual Samsung detail-destruction NR. Hardly a surprise... How long can it possibly take until them learn from that mistake.
Problem is that there is probably not many users left which still actively uses their E-4x0, 5x0. May be different for 600-users and diehard E-1, E-3 and E-5 users.Many have may have made the switch to other dslrs which offered better high iso and Dr and maybe even switched to Olympus m4/3 or some other mirrorless system. The future in general for Dslrs aint looking very bright with the mirrorless system beginning to catch up in AF-speed which many of them still lagged behind.
Luckily the camera is probably going to be available in black also.Same zoom as in Olympus TG-2 and likely same but a 16mp Bsi-Cmos compared to 12mp Bsi Cmos in TG-1 and TG-2.Already wonder what of these which are going to use least Nr to preserve finedetails. The waterproof Pentaxes have not been good since the W90 which used too much NR. But the same can be said about most of the waterprof Olys too with the TG-1 as an exception.
slick83: Since I am in the market for rugged compact camera that will survive mu busy urban/rural life. I took my time to check Nikon's site for some details.
According to Nikon site:
-= Waterproof =-* on camera body itself 18m/59ft: http://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/en_INC/o/ET360lcITrS5AL5UdjBwI83CY_Y/Views/26412_AW110_front.png
* in specs sheet:JIS/IEC protection class 8 (IPX8) equivalent (under our testing conditions) Up to a depth of 5 m (16.4 ft) and for 60 minutes
link -> http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Compact-Digital-Cameras/26412/COOLPIX-AW110.html
Hmmm, I wonder, is it really 18m/59ft ?
As long as Image quality is high piority, the Olympus TG2 should be the best option unless they've gone crazy with the NR. Also the Canon Powershot D20 from last year is good, but the lens is slow already at the wide end.Nikon AW100 was crap because of too much NR and I doubt that the new AW110 is better. But we might be in for a nice surprise if we are lucky.
Come on Fuji. Develop a waterproof XP1, provide it with a zoom with 2.8 or faster aperture at the wide end. The sensor should be the new 2/3"'X-Trans Cmos 12mp sensor. Also drop that lousy 9 cm macro which the current 28-140 mm zoom offer. It is not good for anything really when compared to other competing waterproof cameras which have better close-focus.
I hoped that more manufacturers would follow in the footsteps of Olympus and perhaps go for a zoom with a larger aperture then the norm, at the wide end, at least 2.8.
What about the Sticky Aperture Blade problem from the X100? Finally fixed or not? Posts about X100 being sent in for the SAB still shows up frequent in the forum.
Jefftan: Any difference I can find with TG-1 is 50 ft waterproof compare with 40ftand that's it? They call this TG-2?Oh my!
Many users in Olympus talk complained about no aperture-mode and sometimes too short Dof. That is fixed with the TG-2. However it is just ND-filter I can't tell for sure. Seems not like much of an upgrade. Hopefully the Nr is even lower so that more details gets preserved. Maybe it might be worth to skip this model and await the TG-3.I had hoped that Fujifilm and Panasonic perhaps would respond to the fast zoom-lens which the TG-2. But so far they've not done so. Maybe it is not too late just yet. Pansonic released two waterproof cameras last year with different zoom-lenses.Pentax which chose the Olympus XZ-2 zoom for their MX-1 might use the same zoom in the TG-1 and TG-2 for their waterproof camera this year. Problem is just that image quality for waterproof Pentaxes has been like trash since the Optio W90 with too much NR. The Optio W60 was decent and the W80 not bad either, not quite as good image quality as for the W60 though according to the grouptest here in 2009 .
75mm... yawn. Time to get real, Sigma!I still remember when I used, rather tried to use, a Nikkor AF 50mm 1.8D on a aps-c Dslr and didn't find 75mm to be very useful even though it worked, if I really wanted. Eventually I ended up buying Nikkor 35mm 1.4 Ai to have a decent "normal" 52mm for that dslr and since complete it with a Sigma 24mm 2.8 macro. Both two excellent lenses.
schaki: Nice test, but really, why is not Ricoh GR Digital IV included? fixed focal length or not, it belongs to this group of capable compact cameras.Hoping to get a good explanation from Dpreview staff and not some 'it is too old' or similar answer, as it still is an actual camera model from Ricoh in the waiting of the GRDV which should be announced in the first half of 2013.
In 2008 another strange decision occurred when Dpreview chose to include the not so good Ricoh R10 instead of the definitely better suited Ricoh GX200 for the "Holidays '08 Compact Camera Group Test Group 4: Enthusiast digital compacts"http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q408enthusiastgroup/The GX200 became available in time for that test. Announced on Jun 24, 2008 www.dpreview.com/news/2008/6/24/ricohgx200R10 announced in September 2008 as is stated in the product-description. Couldn't find any real announcement about this camera on this site. www.dpreview.com/products/ricoh/compacts/ricoh_r10
So, I think we all know that there was enough time to take the better GX200 instead which was announced earlier during the summer. Yet Dpreview failed to do so... The zoom is not long but not shorter than the LX3 which was inlcluded with 24-60mm (24-72mm for GX200) so lack of zoom reach can hardly have been the issue.The real issue seems to be bias against small but good brands in general.
Another poll could be made for cameras with smaller sensors like 1/1.7" and 1/2.3", the small super-zoom compacts as well as for these bulky with long zoom like Powershot SX50 and Coolpix P510.
Trying to keep brands or certain models away from a test by making it a test for zoom-cameras only sounds problematic to me. It could easily be explained shortly that the GRD-line is slightly niched but still belongs to the group of advanced compacts with 1/1.7" sensor.
If the GRDIV is too old. That means that the Fujifilm X10 not would have been included either because it is obviously near the end of it's life as well and announced only 14 days before the GRDIV - on Sep 1, 2011
The GRD IV announced on Sep 15, 2011, according to the announcements on this site. GRDIV http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/9/15/ricohGRD4announcedX10 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/9/1/fujifilmx10
Richard Butler wrote"Each camera we include adds significantly to the amount of time taken to produce the article, so we have to draw the lines somewhere. I'm afraid that meant excluding the GRD on this occasion."
And also excluding future GRD models from upcoming tests as well, presumably ;)
Photomarcus: The fuji x10 has probably for me the best body. But if I compare it in terms of IQ with the others,it'sreally steps below. And it's a real shame because I love it. I don't understand why we can finf it in this roundup.I will have your opinion..
Have you lowered the Nr for the ooc jpegs in the X10? might be possible to squeeze out more details by using Low Nr or if Off is available. It should benefit from raw as well. With this said I've not used the X10 myself.
Nice test, but really, why is not Ricoh GR Digital IV included? fixed focal length or not, it belongs to this group of capable compact cameras.Hoping to get a good explanation from Dpreview staff and not some 'it is too old' or similar answer, as it still is an actual camera model from Ricoh in the waiting of the GRDV which should be announced in the first half of 2013.