schaki: "Enter Panasonic, a company with a long history of making travel zoom cameras. In fact, the company made what many would consider the first one: the DMC-TZ1, way back in 2006."
I don't quite agree with that. In fact, the smaller Ricoh Caplio R3 was announced in september 2005 compared to february 2006 for TZ1.http://dpreview.com/products/ricoh/compacts/ricoh_caplior3http://dpreview.com/products/panasonic/compacts/panasonic_dmctz1
Dpreview however didn't review the R3 unlike many other photography review sites.
I've recently bought another R3 as my current one have got bad in the way that it now only uses the slow ccd-AF at the long end of the zoom.I'm looking to maybe add a R5 as well. These two seems to be the best of the first generation Ricoh travel zoom compacts before they renamed it to "CX" I've had a R8 but didn't like it a lot because of the NR problem and slow AF and the R10 is worse as far as image quality go. Ricoh began to lose it with the R6 which no longer had PDAF sensors and also slowly began to use more NR than in the previous models.I've a CX4 which I not use much because of NR problem ther too. Sometimes the noise looks like some weird fog which ruins the pictures. I don't have that problem with the R3.The by now somewhat old Canon Powershot SX230 recently became my choice for travelzoom compact with built in Gps. It almost surely won't beat the R3 for AF speed and uses somewhat more NR. But I don't think it will be to be too bad as a complement to the R3.
"Enter Panasonic, a company with a long history of making travel zoom cameras. In fact, the company made what many would consider the first one: the DMC-TZ1, way back in 2006."
66GTO: It would be interesting to have compared some images from the Q with some from the APSC sensor Nikon Coolpix A 28mm lens just for grins, even with the sensor size and PM differences. Like the cat in the fridge shot a lot!
While I surely may agree about that I'll also mention that that these cameras are more different than one may think.Q have fast lens and FF sensor but looks somewhat big and bulky - Coolpix A, GR and X70 is pocketable, but have slower widest aperture and aps-c sensor.Q also cost a lot more not only because it is FF.Dpreview might as well compare it to Sony RX1 IIR and that would be another not optimal comparison due the the different focal length.
So, no GPS connectivity at all? Pretty bad if that's it, otherwise I might have been interested in the 18-50 or 24-85mm. The Wi-fi and Bluetooth connections seems only to be used for remote-control and "sharing" with Snapbridge :/Seems like I'll go with my somewhat bulky Ricoh Caplio 500SE with the Gps for another year. That's not too bad as the image quality is reasonably good but it is a little bulkier than I would like.
The video quality better be good this time.. Last time with the WG-M1 they destroyed details pretty well with too much NR. https://youtube.com/watch?v=koLbxGYLxF4Luckily I didn't buy one back then and probably not this time either. This "Ricoh-camera" is probably not even designed by Ricoh, but Sanyo which also made the Ricoh WG-4 and WG-5 gps.
Clearly not very impressed so far. The lens have somewhat rough out of focus rendering. Which can be seen in the picture with the red tractor and also the picture to the left of the dog-pictures.The default jpeg ouput looks somewhat flat and I get the impression that the default NR setting for jpeg not is off, as it the look seems to indicate. Also the trees doesnt look too well which probably is down to NR. At Fujifilm have not overcooked it with too much sharpening.Maybe better than standard settings could push the ooc jpeg output towards something better.But that oof rendering as mentioned before... Wont be easy to get away from that.
schaki: Leica wasn't the only ones to overprice their cameras. Contax did the same thing with their digital compact cameras before Kyocera which manufactured those, after the design by Contax, decided to withdraw from the camera market.For the Contax TVS Digital which was available in champagne-color and black they charged $899 respectively a grand, $999 for the black in 2003.It shall be said though that Contax included a leather-case and a simple IR remote control. The battery charger was a simple AC-charger with contact which you plug into the camera.The Contax TVSD used a common 5mp 1/1.8" sensor and a pretty much standard, though with near superb performance, 35-105mm f2.8 - 4.8 zoomlens. Most of the camera-body was in Titanium. The Lcd is only 1.6".I didn't buy a TVSD back then but a used one at a much lower price in 2013, I think it was.It is a photographers' camera with a very much intuitive UI and good handling overall.
I don't know how much the G3 cost new. Anyway it is a more bulky camera. Unlike the TVSD it is not really pocketable.Yes. I've had a look mostly at Contax T2, T3 and also the film-based TVS compacts. The TVS film compacts had slower widest aperture than T2 and T3 due to the zoom in these but still performed well optically.
Leica wasn't the only ones to overprice their cameras. Contax did the same thing with their digital compact cameras before Kyocera which manufactured those, after the design by Contax, decided to withdraw from the camera market.For the Contax TVS Digital which was available in champagne-color and black they charged $899 respectively a grand, $999 for the black in 2003.It shall be said though that Contax included a leather-case and a simple IR remote control. The battery charger was a simple AC-charger with contact which you plug into the camera.The Contax TVSD used a common 5mp 1/1.8" sensor and a pretty much standard, though with near superb performance, 35-105mm f2.8 - 4.8 zoomlens. Most of the camera-body was in Titanium. The Lcd is only 1.6".I didn't buy a TVSD back then but a used one at a much lower price in 2013, I think it was.It is a photographers' camera with a very much intuitive UI and good handling overall.
Thorgrem: It's a shame it's so expansive. I think it looks like a great camera to use. Although the next one needs a EVF.
Leicas has very often been a bit expensive in relation to what they seem to offer and also sometimes sub par specifications for things like the lcd screens etc. Not sure however the T-lcd screen is on par with the competition or not as I not have had much of a look at the T. I'm surprised that the FW update not seems to have brought anything more of use to the camera. But maybe or not it is a update which Leica considered critical and they intend to come up with some bigger update later. I believe they are a little bit like Ricoh and Fujifilm. R and F don't just fix bugs but also add some real useful features that their users are asking for. That's only for their high-end compact cameras or ILCs though.
princecody: Who is making the sensor?
Probably Sony which have produced most of the sensors in the pentax dslrs and also Ricoh GR.
Keytsa: No 4K?My kid's mobile phone has 4K video...I'll pass... :-)
4K is no warranty for good quality. Can still be smudged or smoothed quality to hell. I would rather go with a decent 1080p output than a mediocre 4K output.Now Olympus, Nikon and probably fujifilm have not much good reputation for video quality in their compacts. Though their dslrs/Ilcs may be a little different. They would be plain stupid if they didn't care about try stay on par with their competitors.It is different with Canon, sony, panasonic and Samsung as I believe all these have some sort of camcorders, which means they should have better know-how when it comes to getting good video quality from different sensors.
schaki: Still no Raw. Always thought the TG-850 and 860 looked like potentially nice waterproof cameras with that wide zoom, but disappointed by the NR which really showed off to the negative side in review sample-images. Hope that Olympus have opted for less crazy foliage-ruining NR this time or at least have NR options.
But no tilt-screen or 21mm.
Troutguy: will I be able to use the tilt screen underwater? Ive been waiting for a cam like that.
They've had the Tilt-screen since the TG-850 which was their first with this 21-105mm zoom. Hopefully Olympus have gotten to the bottom with the NR issues this time and sorted. That was why I didn't buy a TG-850 or 860.I was clearly hoping that Olympus would have added Raw for the TG-870 as they did not only for the TG-4 but also their somewhat lower end travelzoom-compact, the Olympus SH-2 last year. Unlike the more advanced Stylus 1 and 1S, with 1/1.7" sensor and constant 2.8 aperture, though a shorter 28-300mm zoom, the SH-1 didn't have Raw. SH-1 and SH-2 have 1/2.3" sensor and a somewhat slow widest aperture at the long end of the zoom
Still no Raw. Always thought the TG-850 and 860 looked like potentially nice waterproof cameras with that wide zoom, but disappointed by the NR which really showed off to the negative side in review sample-images. Hope that Olympus have opted for less crazy foliage-ruining NR this time or at least have NR options.
just someone: Different approach than Nikon in handling faulty camera models. Haha
At least Leica which traditionally overprices their cameras should have no major problem to handle the goodwill replacements.In fact it is rather Kodak/Platinum Equity which should pay for this mess by sending out a new batch of updated sensors which will not have this problem with corrision.
From page 8. "Slow image processor and Micro-SD storage make drive mode extremely sluggish"May I ask Dpreview staff what microSD card (not mentioned in the review as far as I can see) which has been used while using this camera for testing ?Drive modes not only in this camera can get slow if one uses an inexpensive slow card. And while there is not as many microSDHC / SDXC high end cards as for traditional SD-cards, at least they definitely exist in limited numbers.Just bought one myself not long ago to use with a Sony HX50V.
A samsung microSD Pro 32gb or Sandisk Extreme Pro MicroSdhc 32gb should be enough and there is SDXC 64gb available. Bought one myself and it arrived in the mail yesterday. At least the Samsung card which I bought here in Sweden and comes with a microSD to SD adapter cost me equivalent 24 Usd including shipment.R/W specified to 90/80 for that card and 95/90 for the Sandisk which would have more than doubled the price. Samsung-card reviewed http://is.gd/ez80Q5
Hassy... Get real or da fk out!
Too bad about the pinhead size and while my 1.5mp Minolta Dimage EX1500 still is fully useable, 1.27mp or something around that is almost only good for front-camera on a cellphone.The sensor in that old minolta was at least 1/2". We can hope that Sony is gonna introduce at least a 1/2.3", 1/1.7" and 1" of this new tech later on. 1/2.3" is still the standard in travelzoom compacts even though the 1/1.7" is getting to that point as well.
schaki: Cool, Leica X but unfortunately that lens is just too large to make the camera pocketable.What is it with the Leica X-E that might make a real diference to the X2 ?Quite likely it is the same 16 mp sensor unless it is a new revision of the same.Same can be said about the lcd screen unless it have better light-sealing. But with that said I've never seen a X2 IRL so I dunno how that Lcd is to use in sunlight.Probably the same lens as well if not Leica made a new tweaked up revision of it.
Well. I expressed my slight disappointment over that the large fast lens on the Leica X. I know that it not is intended for such a use and in general not many other large-sensor compacts either. Still I've carried a Fujifilm X100 in pockets on my trousers and while it was sligtly tight it still worked well enough for me.There is smaller ones like Nikon Coolpix A and Ricoh GR which alsol have aps-c sensor. Though smaller widest aperture than the Leica X and the X100.There is not too many but at least some interesting serious compacts worth to have a look at.
When I talked about pocketable I of course meant it as the way to carry the camera around when not in actual use. Having it in the frontpockets on trousers makes it possible to pull it up quickly enough, maybe not for quite all but most of the pictures or moments which I want to capture.
For me personally I don't like having the camera hanging in a strap.