HowaboutRAW: Cool there’s hope for users of CS6.
Anybody know if there’s an Adobe DNG Converter 8.7.1?
And still this Sony A7II doesn’t compete with the D750 for high ISOs, 16,000 is a mess with raws I shot with the A7II. I was hoping there would be a jump in high ISO performance versus the old A7.
Sony needs to fix the sensitivity of the EVF “eye sensor” in the A7II, unlike other A7 models this sensor turns off the rear screen if you’re holding the camera anywhere near say your hip and your pants/skirt aren’t a bright pale colour. This alone would be a reason I’d skip buying the camera. And no, there is only an on/off feature, no sensitivity adjustments. (Bet firmware could fix it.)
Did Sony once sell you a duff Walkman in 1986 or something?
Pritzl: So much for "you get what you pay for" eh?
Why do you assume I haven't used, or don't still use a rangefinder? Did I say that somewhere?
Perhaps better for you not to make such quick assumptions.
How about this: http://camerasize.com/compare/#213,548
- Cheaper ($2495 vs. $6999)- Lighter (489g vs. 585g)- Has a better sensor:http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7S-versus-Leica-M9___949_640
...and mounts all M-mount lenses just fine.
In fact, for the same price you could buy all 3 variations, the A7S, A7R as well as the new A7II just for fun!
D1N0: Didn't bother to include the Pentax K-1? Typical dpreview bias.
Ha, love it. You get a +1 for that ;-)
topstuff: Does it have a silent electronic shutter option like the A7S or does it still have the shaky, clattering shutter action of the old A7R?
@Abortabort - If the really are the same, then I stand corrected... they sounded different enough to my ear (with EFC off on the A7), so you can understand my logic.
A lot of the the noise coming from the forums re: the A7R shutter sound were I assume from insecure M43 users trying to justify their choice of small sensor cameras... but it really took on a life of its own. Strange really, given that the A7 is noticeably quieter than any another full frame camera I've used.
Okwy Ugonweze: From all indications,the Nikon D750 will will become a legendary camera.Also Canon shooters need to accept the hard truth,Nikon got it just right with this camera.
They've been a few. I remember the D70/D70s in it's time... then the D300, then the D700. All of these stand out for offering something special:D70 - affordable but fully featured (like a mini D1)D300 - Excellent autofocus, low light, image quality, build quality.D700 - Basically a half priced D3. Low light noise cleaner than anything else available on the market.... ISO 3200/6400 suddenly usable. Built like a tank.
The D750 looks like a very solid offering, a true D700 replacement, but it seems like lots of incremental upgrades/mix of existing Nikon cameras, without that killer feature that made its predecessor stand out so much. I'm sure it'll sell well, and be a great tool for many, but a legendary camera? I'm not so sure.
@aboutaboutI can only go off what I have experienced personally. To do otherwise would be foolish of me. It was at the launch event of the A7/A7R in Singapore. I then went on to purchase the A7 due to it's quieter shutter, faster AF and lower requirements for post-processing (due to 24mpx raws, instead of 36).
In my personal opinion, this loud shutter business is completely overblown... the A7R does have an annoying double clunk sound, but with the EFC the A7 never had that (and even with it switched off, it was quieter than the A7R). My A7 was much quieter than the camera it replaced... a Nikon D700. I don't remember a single review site or forum posting complaining that that had a loud shutter.
dash2k8: What do I think? I think Sony should have moved the damn Record button somewhere else!
They should allow the main shutter button to be used as the record button when movie mode is selected on the PSAM dial.
...or perhaps it can be, I've never tried to adjust it. Could someone have a look and check?
km25: If you must have the PASM control system, they should have a nice LCD screen. it is nice to know the sutter speed and F stop. Sorry to say, but low cost point and shoots use the same system, PASM.
There are two... one on the back, and one in the viewfinder. At any one time, one of them is activated. Are you thinking of a DSLR where the LCD only turns on after you've taken a photo?
@abortbort"the A7S is 'capable' of being the same 'clattering' shutter as the A7R"... now you're saying it's quieter? Make up your mind.
The A7 (with EFC off) has a different and quieter sound than the A7R... I've tested them myself. They can't have the same shutter mechanism otherwise they'd sound the same.
Astound: Hmmmm. A few thoughts.
I only shoot wide and normal lenses, so image stablisation is not an issue. Faster focussing? Sure, that's always good, but I didn't buy this for dSLR performance, so not critical. I've yet to have focussing issues.
From what I can find out, the A7II is heavier than the A7 - 556g vs 416g. Not a huge amount on its own, but I'd rather have the lighter weight for a day's street photography.
The ergonomics look interesting (although it looks a bit bulkier as a result) the shutter button isn't in the most natural place on the A7.
I think for me to upgrade there would need to be uncompressed RAW files, no low-pass filter option and something along the lines of improved sensor/dynamic range (without having to go up to 36mp) .
Looks like Sony will continue to sell the A7... they just chopped of a chunk of it's RRP. So if the IBIS is not as important to you as the weight, then the good news is you can now pick up the original A7 (same sensor) for cheaper than any other FF digital camera. I've been using mine for over a year and it continues to bring a smile to my face.
Naveed Akhtar: Very happy with the 5x-IBIS and better handeling
But few things you don't wanna know about A7 ii- unimpressive native lenses- no touch screen functionality- no 4k video support- no e-shutter
and few things I want to ask about A7-ii- Does its shutter release sound as loud and terrible as the original one- If it gonna possibly support 4k video with a future firmware upgrade, even with a crop mode?- Any possible kit option with 35mm prime lens
@Naveed. I doubt it'll be quieter than the A7, probably the same, but we'll have to wait and see. I continued using my Nikon D700 for a while alongside my A7. The D700 was MUCH louder, but I don't remember everyone slamming it for it's shutter sound... so by proxi I'm assuming the D750 would also be louder... again, I didn't see that mentioned as a negative in the reviews or by people discussing it.
When you say "not good enough", the FE 55/1.8 is rated as the 2nd best standard lens ever made, behind only the massive Otus 55/1.4. I guess you must have very high standards for your lenses.
If size is high priority for you, I'm not sure ANY full-frame camera would fit your bill. Take a look at m43 which have a number of quality and small lenses, with the obvious limitation of double DoF. Also, only you can decide how important the sensor quality is to your photography (12-16mpx squeezed into an area 1/4 the size of FF has some obviously trade offs in dynamic range and low noise).
@abourtabourtYou just made that up. It's well known that all three had different shutters.
With silent shutter off, the A7S was still quieter than the A7, which in turn with EFC off was still quieter than the A7R.
Excellent new camera body (A77II) and three new lenses for Minolta/Sony A-mount. Now where are all those nay sayers who complain that Sony dumps mounts at the drop of a hat?
Also, what's with the "Not dead yet" title? Is this DPReview, or did I accidentally click on Engadget? Will all dSLR reviews now start with "Not dead yet" prefixes?
"- unimpressive native lenses"Assume you've not looked at either the FE 55/1.8, nor the FE 16-35/4.0.
"- Does its shutter release sound as loud and terrible as the original on"You might be confusing with the A7R which was loud (almost as loud as a FF dSLR) and lacked the EFC. The A7 had EFC and even with it turned off was significantly quieter than the A7R for whatever reason.
Athonline: I really like A7 MkII. It looks like it "fixes" most of my complains for the A7: The grip and the layout. In terms of body-specs a touchscreen is the only thing missing. Bonus points of the WiFi API Sony uses.
Now if Sony had a good selection of FE-lenses, I could see this one replacing one of my E-M1s! Unfortunately I like zooms and the 24-70mm f/4 is mediocre at best. The 70-200mm f/4.0 a bit expensive for what it is... +1 for the two awesome primes, but again with a price premium.
In any case: Kudos to Sony! They definitely fired some shots towards the status quo of Canonikon!
You forgot the FE 16-35/4.0. Review sites saying it's better than both the Canon and Nikon equivalents... now THAT alone, should get landscape / architecture photographers interested.
Rob Sims: I suspect the A7-II will prove to be yet another warning shot across the bows of Canon/Nikon (if the A7/A7S/A7R were not enough last year). Each warning shot gets closer as the lens line up gets filled out.
The A9 which is rumoured to be fully weather sealed, and with a new advanced AF system (upgraded from the A6000) will be their real weapon against the D810 / 5Dm3.
Not yet in the professional market, where the big bucks are made.
Also, even in the larges US prosumer/enthusiast market mirrorless camera sales still lag behind dSLRs. I'm sure that will eventually change, but there's no way you can say Sony is already king.
*As to warning of what exactly? I'd say a warning of the changing of the guard.
steelhead3: Can the ergonomics even compete with the Sony A77II?
armandino - I think you may be confusing the A7II (e-mount mirrorless) with the A77II (a-mount SLT) which has excellent ergonomics.
I suspect the A7-II will prove to be yet another warning shot across the bows of Canon/Nikon (if the A7/A7S/A7R were not enough last year). Each warning shot gets closer as the lens line up gets filled out.
ace106: Would anyone know if this increase in autofocus speed would make this camera suitable for capturing razor sharp images of birds in flight or is it possibly not fast enough?
I was led to believe by many that the autofocus speed in the first version of the a7 was to slow to really be great for birds in flight.
I suspect not quite fast enough yet. Press announcement suggest only a 30% increase in speed, although a 1.5x increase in tracking. Probably the big update to the focus system will come with the A9 which is rumoured to be Sony's planned assault on the D810 / 5Dm3 - but I may be proven wrong, just have to wait for camera to get released into the wild before we will know.
For now the best e-mount camera for BIF would probably be the A6000, especially given the lack of native e-mount telephoto lenses makes the APS-C crop quite useful.