Rob Sims: Should the title of this particular article really have been "Small but serious" when the two recommendations were by far largest and heaviest cameras (400g / 390g) in the group, despite having the smallest sensors?
(And before the hordes of m43 users come screaming in rubbishing every other sensor size, I don't disagree with either recommendations, just perhaps the title of the article)
Okay fair enough, it all comes down to relative size. I'm used to lugging around a Nikon D700 + 24-70/2.8 so these are all certainly small compared to that... but in isolation I would still be hesitant to call these two cameras small when they weigh close to twice (400g vs. 280g) as much as some of the other ones in the same group test.
I agree, it could definitely be seen as an advantage to having one mount span such a large size/weight range, especially as we camera nerds will typically have more than one camera body. I imagine buyers of the OMD-EM1 would quite like the idea of carrying a Panasonic GM1 (+20/1.7) for when they want to go light.
Should the title of this particular article really have been "Small but serious" when the two recommendations were by far largest and heaviest cameras (400g / 390g) in the group, despite having the smallest sensors?
km25: It is lens and balance. Why use the old E mount, to use CZ and Leica RF lens, but you can not use any thing wider then 35mm, or you get magnetia striks. Long telephone and large lens ( like F1.4 ) makes the combo lens heavy. I am not trying to a hater, but no camera is the answer to all thinkgs. Face it 16-24 MP will give any just about all you need. I'll beat'ya there is a carload of wedding photographers using the Canon 5D 111. Just like the line from Bridge on the River Kai ( sp may be off), "Madness, shear madness". Stop casing MP.
"Face it 16-24 MP will give any just about all you need... <> Madness, shear madness... <> Stop casing MP."The A7 has 24mpx - Did you read a different article to the one you're commenting on??
AlexK-12: I can see two great reasons why Sony gave the a7/r the e-mount:1). The ability to mount all legacy film lenses that already cover the 35mm format2). The ability to use Canon/Nikon full frame lenses and possibly even with autofocus
It seems to me that Sony made the right decision to go with e-mount, even if it means that they have to start from scratch with FE lenses. If I had the need and money, I would sell my a77 and jump on the a7r. One day, perhaps :)
@Just a PhotographerFYI -The LA-EA4 adaptor pictured actually includes a translucent mirror and a full PDAF box underneath as well as motors to effectively provide a completely separate AF system.Using Canon/Nikon lenses most just us the cheap 'dumb' adaptors already available. They're pretty cheap (think $30 for unbranded, and $100 for the good ones) and light (30-50g?). People have been using them on the e-mount NEX cameras for about 3 years and most/all should work with the FF sensor fine. The imbalance is obviously lens dependent. Primes - no, 70-200/f2.8s - probably!
Zigmont: "Lensrentals' Roger Cicala has beaten us to testing the Nikon D610 for oil and dust accumulation - concluding its 'certainly no worse than other cameras.' "
Funny how "its" and "it's" are so often employed incorrectly.
Here's the simple rule: "it's" is always (always) and only a contraction of "it is". If you would say "it is", they you can say "it's". Otherwise, it's "its".
In the sentence from the intro, it should be "it's".
BTW, glad to see the D610 is "clean". But once again, Nikon uses us as beta testers and then quickly brings out an update which, of course, we have to pay for.
"Here's the simple rule: "it's" is always (always) and only a contraction of "it is". - I disagree. For example 'It's' can also be a contraction of 'it has'. eg. It's been a long time coming.
molnarcs: This forum has become unreadable. It's basically a troll fest, with overwhelming negativity. Any attempt at intelligent discussion is drowned in the noise. There is a more intelligent discussion of the new Nikon at Canonrumors (!) than here.
I wish dpreview had a feature where the user name could link to a portfolio. At least we could see who are actually photographers and who are just coach photographers - looks like the majority are the latter :-/
Same thing happened when news of the A7(r) hit. Some of the best discussions were actually in the Nikon FX forum where there was some balance to the threads.
The worst threads were in the m43 forum, strange as the that camera has neither the ability to mount m43 lens nor a comparable sensor size!
Optimal Prime: Where is the grip on the rx100 from?
That's the official stick-on grip Sony sell as an accessory (s$20 here in Singapore). A few other companies make them for cheaper.
Would be interesting to see a side by side comparison with the RX100 (I and II) as this looks to be the target competition of this camera.
Francis Carver: The heck is this?
Looks like the first proper attempt to counter the RX100. Slightly smaller sensor (2/3" instead of 1"), but with a lens that starts at 25mm instead of 28mm.
Rob Sims: From final page of preview: "$1300 is a vertiginously high price tag for a small sensor compact, no matter how capable."
Not debating the price, nor the reasoning that this is a lot of money - but since when has a 1 inch sensor, 813g camera (comparable in size to some APS-C dSLRs) been considered a small sensor compact? Was this accidentally copied and pasted from an article about a different camera?
@R Butler - Mid-size sensor sounds like a very diplomatic compromise ;-)
Good preview by the way, forgot to mention. Will be interesting to see your full review... although right now, I only have eyes for that A7!
As many have alluded to before me, this really seems like the spiritual successor to the R1. Yes, this is large when compared with other super-zooms, but the constant F2.8 24-200mm lens and 1 inch sensor make such comparisons a bit unfair.
Perhaps comparing its size/weight to an APS-C dSLR with a super-zoom lens (eg. 18-135mm) attached makes more sense - as I kind of see that being more the target market... the superzoomer who wants better image quality than the 1/2.3' offerings but isn't ready to get into EVIL or dSLRS yet.
In size/weight it wouldn't come off badly, however, that initial RRP will make it as niche a product as the R1 was!
@R Butler:Fair point, everything is relative and I see where you're coming from. Although you have to admit that given most compacts use sensors in the range of 1/1.7 to 1/2.3 sensors (with the RX100 and G1X being the exceptions)- this really isn't a 'small sensor compact'.
Perhaps just call it what it is, a 1 inch sensor superzoom.
From final page of preview: "$1300 is a vertiginously high price tag for a small sensor compact, no matter how capable."
Rob Sims: Hey, nice effect and works well in this photo. Was this done by rotating the zoom on a long exposure, or done in PP?
Well, then your creativity seems to payed off, really like this one. You seem to be getting pretty good usage out of that 10-18. I also love this lens.
Hey, nice effect and works well in this photo. Was this done by rotating the zoom on a long exposure, or done in PP?
I don't get it - if this has a "smartphone-sized CMOS sensor" and no removable memory, then why not just take photos from your phone?
onlooker: Hard to justify it in the days of RX 100.
I agree with Jahled's comments re: Sony software on the NEX, but actually the RX100's menus are fine.
xlotus: -low res LCD and viewfinder-no tilting screen-no touch screen-no proximity sensor-few buttons and same terrible NEX menu-only up to 16000 ISO
It seems made for people who like the DSLR shape but only know how to push the shutter button.Even though the street price is expected to be at $400, I can see it soon falls further down to $300 or even $250.
Even if the price drops to that level, I would prefer to pick up a Panasonic G5, EOS M or Samsung NX1000/NX210. Even Sony's own NEX 3N is more preferable than this silly DSLR-lookalike.
Nikon D4 has no tilting screen, no touch screen, no proximity sensor. I guess it's also for people who only know how to push the shutter button.
mad marty: "Wolf in sheep's clothing?"It's clearly the oposite : A sheep in wolf's clothing"It only makes sense for somebody who wants to look like a pro with a dslr and would need a point and shoot actually.
$400 camera (including lens) sounds like a sheep. First photo from Sony's 20mpx APS-C sensor paired with a sharp enough lens will prove otherwise. I think DPR has the title correct!
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