photogeek: Don't know why they bother. APS-C is definitely a dead end in Sony lineup. To make it otherwise, Sony needs smaller, APS-C specific lenses for these cameras, and given that they can't even be bothered to produce a full lineup for their $3K+ bodies, I just don't see this happening anytime soon, if ever. This is coming from a former NEX-7 owner. I liked the body, but the lens lineup was inadequate, so when the first A7 came out, I saw the writing on the wall and got rid of NEX-7.
"Building a system takes time." - Sony had more than enough time.I also got out of Sony e-mount when the a6300 with THREE G Master FF mon$ter lenses was announced. Trying to say it's the users fault that Sony has not bothered to make a solid line of affordable and ergonomically appropriate lenses is hyperbole. People using compact bodies do NOT want to have to use lens adapters.
Dervast: Nice review and shows the negatives and pros of the system. It is indeed a good all round camera to do all at a body compact. I think the point perhaps missing from this review is that handling generally is good but pressing the buttons a lot, when you need to adjust settings a lot (i.e think of a wedding where you need to change auto focus point all the time and not rely on eye-af since the latter fails in such cases a lot) your fingers would start to feel it soon.Also handling benefits go away if you want to start doing portraits with focal lengths over 85mm (full frame equivalents).An idea would be to have an official grip (to transform your camera when you need to). The third party grips from other manufacturers were not good for the a6000.
Otherwise well written review showing also the negative aspects of the system (and since I am an a6000 user I know those as well).Alex
Since you mention 'system' at the start and end of the review... I just have to emphasize I do not consider Sony having an e-mount APS-C 'system'. Great bodies, mediocre and overpriced lenses with spotty coverage, overpriced speedlights, and the worse kit lenses of any manufacturer. a6?00 bodies are just the bait to get you to buy up into their FF models. If/when they release small and affordable e-mount lenses (not mon$ter G master FF glass), and get a descent kit lens, then we can say they are moving closer to having a system.
jcbmemphis: I left Sony. Until they understand the user experience better, I cannot go back.
IQ is lackluster...perhaps the s/n went up with the focus point increase. It is now more of a hybrid device than ever, being optimized toward neither stills or video. If I did both, or if Sony had a killer bright set of lenses, perhaps I'd go back. But, left for another brand and don't see myself going back. I know of a lot of photo people leaving for Fuji, Olympus, even back to Nikon.
Had really wanted the a6300 for my part....unexciting lenses and bad GUI/UI did it in. Just dissapointed. I had been a proven, spent the money Sony user.
I tried my ff lenses and the adapter and what a horrible situation (a6000 in a shop). That is just not a rational option. If you want Sony, go FF and be willing to spend on the G glass and its size. Or, look elsewhere. My conclusiion(s). The A7R2 is a brilliant sensor if you can deal with the UI and possible beta nature of the firmware (overheating, probably nbd.)
I agree completely with your points. Folks needs to understand that Sony is NOT a system camera. The lens selection is incomplete, overpriced, and has quality control (defocused elements) issues. The price of Sony speedlights is crazy high. I also got out of Sony e-mount APS-C. Still have my Sony a-mount. But I went Olympus for better quality on a smaller sensor, better lenses, and access to a real system.
Ghostboo: I'm glad to see Canon inching forward. My first DSLR (three decades ago) was a Canon and I loved it but they seem stuck in the past...just like Nikon. These two behemoths need to get with the game. Sony is setting the world on fire by giving photographers what they want and need. I will not reward a manufacturer my hard earned money until they give us products that are cutting edge. Sony is guilty too. How long has Gordon Laing and other top reviewers been touting fully articulated screens? Sony is stuck on tilting screens which is only marginally better. It makes sense once you get over traditional "old thinking". Try shooting at ground level if you are a bit older and less agile without a fully articulated screen. Panasonic has led the way and Olympus has adopted it for the Em5 Mk II. Still improvements are needed. Bigger buffers, faster write times, 4K video, etc. 2015 was a landmark year for photographers. Manufacturers began to give us what we want. Lets hope 2016 is better.
Sony have actually pssed off many NEX/A6000 owners by releasing FF glass with the A6300. a-mount and now e-mount APS-C seem to be languishing. Sony is pushing only FF now. People who want an entire and affordable system are finding Sony e-mount APS-C to be a very incomplete package with all kinds of lens quality issues let alone being very overpriced. I've left Sony APS-C e-mount behind. Went Olympus and still have my Sony a-mount.
Gal Root: No GPS. Pass.
The industry is moving away from GPS generally. It's a battery drain and not much value-add.
Derek Cazabon: I have been using a Canon Powershot S110 for several years. It's a great pocketable camera with a good zoom range but, first of all, the lack of a viewfinder, distortion, the loss of image quality at 24mm and 120mm are frustating.
So, the obvious upgrade is the Canon PowerShot G5 X hoping the lens does not bend too much strait lines. The zoom range of the Lumix DMC-LX 100 is too limited I think.
But then, keeping the S110, I could upgrade to a bigger camera like the Lumix DMC-FZ 1000 or even the Nikon D5500 + 18-140 zoom.
So, here is my question : is there a big difference in image quality between the GX 5, the DMC-FZ 1000 and the D5500 so that it's worth the extra weight and the extra bulk ?
Actually, the Nikon kit lens is very good for a zoom. You must be thinking of Sony kit lenses. ;-)
TheDarmok74: It has everything I want, even the price would be ok, BUT I want a sharp lens.At least my trusty RX100 is tack sharp at 28mm which I use most of the time anyway. But at the widest end my camera needs to be sharp and the g5x doesn't seem to be according to the review.
I tried the G5 X hands on. Looked at the images at home. The lens is really bad. Not just wide aperture and wide zoom. It's pretty bad everywhere. Never really sharpens up. Seems to be a quality control issue as I have seen some sharp shots. But you are taking your chances if you buy one. From what I saw on G5 X I used, the images were less impressive than Olympus XZ-2 which I also own (having 1/1.7" sensor vs 1" sensor) The lens on G5X is sub-par.
Catalin Stavaru: I actually think that the more interesting camera (outside this enthusiast forum) from the Canon 1" sensor offerings is the G9X. It has only 80% of the volume of the *original* Sony RX100, and 70% or less of the volume of the recent RX100 versions. There is no point in making a large, sophisticated camera with small sensor, unless reading these forums too much. A large camera is a waste without la large sensor.
@MarkInSF, I think you nailed very clearly the flaws in the G5X marketing in the last paragraph (too limited for enthusiasts, too expensive for everyone else). However, the viewfinder on the RX100 line is very piddly to me (coming from NEX-6, RX10, Fuji X1). G5X viewfinder is much better than RX100 or LX100). IF Canon were to lower the price on the G5X to $549, it would be in the right price slot, I would buy one (as a former/semi pro/enthusiast). G5X is just mis-assigned today in it's pricing point.
martindpr: It's a good little camera, a little short of very good, but the competition is going give it a hard run for the money, since something like Sony A6000 is amazing, same size, better quality, larger sensor etc etc... For $500 it's worth considering, but Canon's pricing aims too high for my taste... The quality of output is sufficient though...
@martindpr - I dunno, seems like Canikon body styling is stuck in the 1990's. Have you picked up a D3300 or D5300? They are [relatively] huge compare to most enthusiast cameras today. Granted they have a lot of great glass behind them. But people are increasingly looking for smaller systems (μ43, NEX/A6000), even fixed lens cameras (RX, GX), all are in a swarm of incredible technical advances (more from Sony/Pany/Oly than from Canon). Nikon seems phased/winded at this point, but they did come back once before when Canon had trounced them. Sony have upset a great number of customers over high prices for mediocre APS-C glass and the recent push to get their base to FE which is having backlash just now. The A6300 release with 3 G premium lenses and no APC-C glass really have the Sony user base upset. The G5X is great in the hand with plenty of features packed in. It is too high priced and the battery life too short. A G5X above $600 is kinda a joke.
ljmac: This suffers from the usual Sony problem: nice camera, shame about the bulky, narrow range of lenses. I find it frustrating that interchangeable lens cameras are reviewed as if they are products in isolation, while they are only half of the equation in reality, and that other half should be given more weight in reviews.
And what's with the headline?
Agreed, large lenses on small bodies don't cut it.Sony is acting like you will want them just because they are so cool. But when you take them home you realize that something is wrong (in the lenses). Not really feeling the love here from Sony until they get serious about affordable and smaller glass. Grand opportunity for Sigma here. I'd love the Sigma contemporary art 17-70 in e-mount.
marike6: Oh wow, another Sony NEX E-mount body for almost double the price of the A6000, the same atrociously bad kit lens and perhaps the least inspiring lens lineup ever produced.
@JacobC, what brand/body did you goto?
caravan: Sony a6300,best compact camera of 2016.Thanks Sony for a great product at an affordable price.
Product great, looks that way. Affordable price? Not for most folks. Sony is retreating up$tream.
I have a G5, my first M/43. I am impressed and it's the first camera since way back when I got started (30 years ago) that I really ENJOY using.
It's really strange that dpreview will be among the last, if ever, to review this camera. I used to look to dpreview as my major camera review source. No more. They need to get on the ball in general and to have a video review presence like cameralabs.com.