bgbs: Verdict, if you own D810 stick with D810, 5DSr will not make your life better.Congrats to Canon users for getting a camera they needed.
The headphone socket was removed to make room for USB3 - as a still photographer with some interest in tethering, I'm very happy about that :-)
km25: A cancelling filer to conteract the AA. Nikon used that a while ago, then just did put the AA on the sensor. Canon money saving short cuts are one thing, but on a super highend camera like this one, spend a few bucks and just take out the AA on the given model.
@km25 - you need to look into how the options work - it's not an ADDED filter.
There are two AA layers. In the 5Ds they are at right angles (90 degrees) to give the full AA effect. In the 5Dsr they are at 180 degrees, giving the cancelling effect.
This is exactly what Nikon did with the D800 - the D800 did what the 5Ds does; the D800e did what the 5Dsr does.
Hopefully Canon will see the light (pun intended) and release a 5Ds Mark II without any AA (like the D810).
keith Bennett: I would request that Canon, in a software update for the R, offer the option to switch off the self cancelling filter - so your R would become an S which is a perfectly fine camera….with slightly softer noise?
Let's see - you want a software update which can reach into the sensor stack, detach a layer, rotate it 90 degrees, and reattach it?
The self-cancelling filter is a physical thing. Software can't change that.
Joachim Gerstl: Nice but I prefer their Retrospective 5. No shiny ThinkTank badge.
I have used a couple of Retrospective bags - using a Retrospective 15 at the moment. I like the tough canvas they are made from, and the weathered finish does not look like a normal camera bag.
They have a wide, comfortable shoulder strap on them. That matters a lot to me.
PhotoKhan: What I like:
That they have created 2 cameras that are clear-cut and carefullly specified for the crowd that was roar-claiming for high MPs.
What I am afraid off:
That the still-to-come 1DMKIV will still manage to clearly be understaged by the D750.
The 1D Mark IV?? That was released in 2010.
Yanko Kitanov: Hi, Barnaby!
Can you elaborate a bit more on this: "...and we suspect that shooting the EOS 5DS R especially will require a medium-format approach to get the most out of the theoretical resolution of the sensor."?
I am not disagreeing - I'm just interested to understand better what exact techniques you would label as MF and consider when shooting the 5DS R. Such info is always useful.
Thanks and cheers!
They said this about the D800, too. Probably just as true now as it was then :-)
8 people already claiming to have had these...
lorenzo de medici: Ok, so actually they recommended the D810, but pushed the D750 because it's cheaper, lighter, and has an articulated screen. Fair enough. Except the title of the article is "High-end Full-Frame Camera Roundup".
Downsampling to reduce noise is a myth???
In what reality?
Nikon D810 is the best enthusiast full-frame. The D750 is only better if you consider price.
drgarym: We have been waiting this long for this? Some of us were expecting a high resolution full frame model to compete with Nikon's D800 Maybe time for a Sony with lens adapter for my Canon glass.
@Alan - I know Canon claims the 1D x is the merging of the 1D and 1Ds lines, but it is merely the successor to the 1D series.
They claimed it was the merge because they can't make a sensor with a resolution high enough to be a new 1Ds. If they could make something like the sensor in a Nikon D800, they would have released a new 1Ds - the two lines made sense: one fast medium res, one slow high res.
I do admit my previous comment was facetious, though :)
@Joseph - they did it with the 1Dx; why not to the 7D?
David Smith - Photographer: I think Nikon now uses the same sensor that Sony uses in the a7r. Amazing detail is now also available for Nikon users.
I switched from Canon to Nikon because Canon hasn't managed to go beyond 22 Mpixel in the 7 years from 2007 (when I got the 1Ds III, which is 21 Mpixel, not 20). So I'm not interested in trying a 6D.
I am enjoying the D810, though, shooting at base ISO :)
Reality Check: "Note that in order to get maximal image quality out of the D810, we flipped the mirror up 3s prior to each exposure, and engaged electronic 1st curtain to eliminate any effects of the shutter opening on image sharpness."
Um yeah.. That may be fine and well for studio test scenes and landscapes, but how does that work for all the other types of photography - you know the other 90% of photography...
Seems something with lower mp would have greater benefit overall, unless test charts and shadowless landscapes are your thing..
I thought electronic first curtain heated up the sensor, thus introducing more noise?
@HowAboutRaw - your comments about lack of dynamic range do not match my experience with the D800e.
I found that Canon RAW files (I have most experience with the 1Ds III) don't respond well to underexposure - if I try to lift colour out of black, it breaks up into noise fairly quickly. The D800e files let me pull a lot more detail out of black. That's more dynamic range.
I generally shoot at base ISO, though.
mayurgogoi: I have gone through many reviews regarding Nikon D810--but the summery may be like this--This camera is the house of technical upgrade,but not in noise!
Am I correct?
I am not a pro-technical man to give certificate to Nikon D810--but my opinion is removal of Anti-Aliasing filter is creating a new problem--moire is seen in cloths etc--and though pics are more clear,but due to Moire Nikon is finding an solution --!
I am also noticing that Nikon D810's pics are little colourless,faded as Compared to 800E/800?My observations may not be correct!But My final words--Nikon D810 is technically best camera of Nikon,but We can not certify that it is 100% stunning--some faults are here!
http://www.pocket/-lint.com/review/129959-nikon-d810-review-says--NOISE is seen@ISO 560 in shadow areas(100% crop)
@SMPhoto: you got it - skin doesn't show moire.
RichRMA: Investors in the D810 (who dumped their D800's) will be a bit annoyed in six months when a brand new D900 (or whatever) hits and you get to take another $1000 depreciation bath.
Nikon has never replaced a high-end body that quickly.
munro harrap: Raincheck time people. IF there is an increase in resolution you will not see it. You will see increased microcontrast and acuity, no more than that. Yes, it is a lot, it is quite a big improvement, but all current lenses have no more than 16MP across the frame resolution at best, including Nikon's dream team (dream on!) and the best Zeiss and Sigma Art offerings.
We are nowhere near what a 36MP sensor can resolve yet, and the impression of greater resolution is due to size-to magnification, not resolution, so people who keep using their D800s gain enormously as when that day comes that they actually do manufacture decent enough lenses they will have saved up to be able to buy one!!
Nikon have a "damned cheek" increasing the price over the D800 and D800E, since this D810 is what they SHOULD have "given" (LOL) us in the 1st place!
The D810 is the same price as the D800e, and given that it is the development of the D800e, that's understandable.
You are sorely mistaken about lenses being unable to out-resolve a 16Mpixel sensor. Roger at LensRentals has measured a great many lenses on the D800 (and he measures multiple samples of each) - I suggest you read his results.
Still, you are under no obligation to buy a D810. Feel free to use a D800 if you have one, or something else, if that's what you have.
I told myself I didn't need the D810 as an upgrade over the D800e. I wanted it. I traded in my D800e on it. I am not regretting it! YMMV :)
Your opinion is that moire is a problem, even though you have never tried using the camera. Have you any experience with any digital camera without an AA filter? Have you used a D800e?
I have over two years experience using the D800e, and moire was never a problem. I had almost a year of experience using the Leica M9 (no AA filter) and moire was not a problem. I have several days experience with the D810, and I haven't seen a problem yet :)
I do not think moire is an issue for Nikon. I'm not the only one - there are quite a few articles discussing moire on the D800e, and some of the reviews of the D810 make a particular point of mentioning the subject.
Most important point, though - if the D810 is too much of a commitment for you, then don't buy it. Buy a camera you can afford comfortably. I understand wanting the best, and I have over-committed myself in the past. Don't do it.
Are you making judgments based on images in reviews? That's generally a mistake.
AA filters were needed, even vital, back when digital sensors were comparatively low in resolution - 2 megapixels, even 8 megapixels. As resolutions increase, they become increasingly unnecessary.
I owned and used a Leica M9 for a while, and I owned and used a D800e for two years. Moire has not been a problem (however, I mostly shoot models without nasty moire-inducing clothing). I am looking forward to seeing how much better the D810 is than the D800e - no AA filter is better than half a filter and a reversal.
There are other benefits I have already discovered - the shutter is much more discreet, for example.
It's not perfect. The strap that comes with it is rather cheap and nasty - disappointing.
Jahled: I've never bought a Sigma because some people say there is no guarantee they will work with future models of the camera brands they are reverse engineered to work with. I've also heard to many people bemoan the 'Sigma lottery,' of getting a nice copy of a lens. I expect a 'nice copy' of a lens on my first purchace from Canon, and bar one in 2007, have always got one.
Is this me missing out on some lovely glass though?
Sigma's USB dock lets you update the firmware in the lens - it can be updated to handle new cameras.