robbo d: Clearly targeted to the upcoming smartphone brigade as a series of cameras to run alongside the more traditional K50/5/3 etc ...... AS STATED by Pentax exec's.
Once again.... also targeting the Asian market, soccer Mum's and fashionista's.
Quite clearly not for the traditional forumite black with white lettering brigade...... but because it's a new product or a variation thereof, it gets an announcement all across the world. Kind of wasted on this forum really.
BUT DON'T stress you lot ....... you don't actually have to buy it ok...... under all those cutesy pie colours and flashing lights is a damn good stills camera once again put out by a company that knows their market and despite not coming out with FF (yet) or a new lens every month (because they already have more than Fuji or Samsung can poke a stick at) are making a profit doing what they know best. Move on folks, nothing more for you to see here.....
I yet to see any fashionista equipped with Pentax low end DSLR....
Well to be honest it doesn't cost much to make few new colors, so that can be marketed as an upgrade to a model that is not present in any of the stores where I live.
Actually it is a pretty smart idea, re-imagined way of taking panorama pics from air.
AngularJS: It's about 2.5 cents per pixel. Sounds like a helluva deal. Nikon is new Leica!
They should put a lot less pixels so they became more valuable.
Wow, this is awful at any price. Even if it cost the same as Df, I don't see many people going for that "I am an oil sheik" look.
WhyNot: Having just read the “Shooting Experience” I find this an odd User's Report for a review article – a little more subjective than the usual...
“ … And you know why not? Because the LX100 is a lovely camera. … “
There is no real discussion of comparison or reference, really,with the RX100 which is pocketable or the X-100T or, more recent, X-30 which are also “lovely cameras” that are not pocketable..
I also think that this camera like other high end compacts at this price point are mostly about the lens and those that they might replace --- in this case the 12-35mm f/2.8 mFT lens by Panasonic... I'd like more discussion/comparison here..
I bought a sony HX20 for my wife before summer but also got her a new android phone. Guess what she uses to take ALL of her pictures? The smartphone of course! And she cannot care less about the fact that the sony can take better images and can send the pics to phone over wifi. The smartphone is good enough for the facebook, it takes one click and that is the limit what 90% people do with their images.
Sorry increasing price of premium compact cameras will not save the companies.
LucidStrike: To put this price in perspective, for the folks who insist it's disproportionately priced: I was about to spend $1700 on a GH4 and $900 on a 12-35mm (24-70mm) f/2.8 lens with NO intention of ever changing lenses. To get a similar sensor, similar lens, and more discreet body -- not to mention keeping the 4K -- for the cost of JUST the 12-35mm lens is a hell of a value. It's like a premium lens that comes with a free 4K-capable body to match.
Just because you were willing to spend $2600 on GH4 with lens doesn't make the LX100 a super deal.
Stefan66: I would really like to see a comparioson between the LX100 and the GX7 with the nice 12-35 f2.8 lens because that was the camera I was going for as a walkaround camera before LX100 showed up. I am curious about the lens comparisons, price not taken into account. I know the GX7 / 12-35 f2.8 path is more expensive, what I am curious about is, would it be worth it?Cheers!
No, they are not shooting themselves, it is a dying market. They try to get as much money as quickly as possible with different offerings, knowing very well that it wont last. On sites like dpreview it looks like things are so hot that they must fly off the shelves, but that is not true in general. The compact market is already dead, smartphones take better and faster images and you can do a lot of other things.The premium compact market is the market where companies try to make money now and they pushed the prices pretty high lately to compensate for the falling sales.
nand0: Just a little experience that I wanted to share, of usage: while using the camera now for some day's when I have time for it.. I discover it is difficult to start making a video, the button is sunken in the body.. as well, switching on the camera goes easy, switching off is a bit more difficult..
I think the controls are there to only justify its $1K price, otherwise this form of small camera would really serves better with just the classic compact type combo of one wheel and shutter button.I have RX100 and it has zillion functions and effects that are almost impossible to actually use on the street. All I use is shutter button and I can fiddle with it later on computer.
At some point the price also has to come into consideration in the review. It is 2x of the RX100 v.1 current price.Sadly all the camera makers are now setting $1000 as the norm for premium compact cameras which used to be $500 just few years back....
The field sequential display in EVF is true for every EVF. Otherwise if they would use RGB mask like normal LCD display, we would actually see that in the tiny EVF as RGB colored pixels.So practically every EVF display is always monochromatic with three coloured LEDs behind it, that blink in sequential order - very fast. Some use higher refresh ratio than others, but you can probably see it even in best EVF if you know where to look.You can eliminate the blinking if you allow to switch the EVF into pure monochromatic mode which is very easy to do for the manufacturers, but only very few companies thought of this (like canon in their DV cameras). This feature was loved by the people who had to look through VF for long period of time, having EVF switch in monochromatic was a true eye saver.
The new self congratulating website was worth the wait.They should also put "one more thing" and reveal new countdown timer using now progressively reassuring red numbers.
So you are saying that people are not so interested to line up to try cameras that are not much different than cameras last year? Why this could be? And don't blame it to global downturn, because people are lining up to get to restaurants or to buy new iPhone.
I wanted to say impressive for the price, then I saw $899 tag. What?So the $900 now became the norm for premium compacts? Only few years ago, this category was barely touching $500
tbcass: Why is a camera with such a small (2/3) sensor so large? If I want a camera that big I'll get a mirrorless 4/3 or APS-C. "Just Sayin" ;-)
I have RX100 and everybody knows it is super small. But put it against x10 and you would realize that the rx100 is about maybe 80% of x10, it just the x10 looks bigger because of the many knobs and things.
v_roma: I love the new design and I have always loved the way the Fuji X10 and X20 handled, particularly the manual zoom. In fact, the haptics alone have me tempted to get the Fuji X30 despite the small sensor size since it solves my main gripe by far with the previous two models, which was the crappy viewfinder. All that said, it is a shame that Fuji did not go with a 1" sensor. I am sure there are all kinds of reasons but, in the current environment with 1" compact options multiplying plus the announcement of the LX100, a 2/3" sensor on a camera larger than a NEX 6 is hard to make sense of.
I don't see need to stuff big sensor in a small body for enthusiastic. Even the small sensors in $600 cams should produce a significantly better image than a high end smartphone otherwise people will stop buying them as they already stop buying the low end PS.
I think camera makers are still lucky the smartphones are not there yet...
This is stupid sorry to say it as I see it, to make "social-oriented" camera. The best social-oriented camera is called smartphone and it is already in pocket of everybody who is into this self absorbing social thing.
No matter what you do, you can't make N2 work better "social-oriented" than run of the mill smartphone. I gave my wife this social oriented sony HX50 which can so easily connect to smartphone. Guess what she is still taking pics with her smartphone because it is simply more convenient and good enough for the FB crowd..
Mr Darma: I'm inclined to believe that this will go the way of the K-01 (which was a much better camera than it's fate). As a dedicated lifelong Pentax shooter with 5 bodies and 30 lenses, I gave up on APS-C and am back shooting film on my MZ-S, PZ1-p and ZX-5n.....patiently waiting for the much rumored and perhaps never to happen full frame K-1. I wish the effort by Ricoh/Pentax had been directed thus rather than on this blingy little thing.
In my neck of the woods pentax is not successful at all. No big box store like best buy carry any of the K or Q and the specialized photo stores have just extremely limited stock of the latest model if any (like a single K-3 in stock). And of course nobody carries ricoh at all here.
The only problem I have with pentax is their naming conventions. It is total mess with adding letters and numbers that are in descending order after the K. All the K-x, K-r, K-s.. get some system!
Hopefully it is build a bit better than other PLs. My PL-2 lost its shutter button after a week. Fortunately I did found it and then superglue it back, but seriously...
akra: Very puzzling decision to swap flash for EVF for pro-sumer camera. Just for reference, most pro-sumers work regular jobs when lighting conditions are best ... so a lot of pictures are taken during dinners (i.e. after dark), on the beach, when you really need the flash. Am I supposed to have the flash on me every time? One would think that those lucky of us who can afford running around and taking pics during working hours and do need EVF would also be able to afford a real pro camera. Seems that design misplaces the camera for the target audience. Wonder if Leica will do the same blunder with their version of the camera. Otherwise camera looks great.
Tiny add-on flash is usually a very cheap solution, while add-on EVF would cost hundreds of dollars. Modern cameras are amazing even in dark and give more natural look without the flatness and shadows of a tiny front mounted flash.I personally use build-in flash very, very little, not to mention that in many social situation extensive using of flash is not appreciated.