WhyNot: Having just read the “Shooting Experience” I find this an odd User's Report for a review article – a little more subjective than the usual...
“ … And you know why not? Because the LX100 is a lovely camera. … “
There is no real discussion of comparison or reference, really,with the RX100 which is pocketable or the X-100T or, more recent, X-30 which are also “lovely cameras” that are not pocketable..
I also think that this camera like other high end compacts at this price point are mostly about the lens and those that they might replace --- in this case the 12-35mm f/2.8 mFT lens by Panasonic... I'd like more discussion/comparison here..
At some point the price also has to come into consideration in the review. It is 2x of the RX100 v.1 current price.Sadly all the camera makers are now setting $1000 as the norm for premium compact cameras which used to be $500 just few years back....
The field sequential display in EVF is true for every EVF. Otherwise if they would use RGB mask like normal LCD display, we would actually see that in the tiny EVF as RGB colored pixels.So practically every EVF display is always monochromatic with three coloured LEDs behind it, that blink in sequential order - very fast. Some use higher refresh ratio than others, but you can probably see it even in best EVF if you know where to look.You can eliminate the blinking if you allow to switch the EVF into pure monochromatic mode which is very easy to do for the manufacturers, but only very few companies thought of this (like canon in their DV cameras). This feature was loved by the people who had to look through VF for long period of time, having EVF switch in monochromatic was a true eye saver.
The new self congratulating website was worth the wait.They should also put "one more thing" and reveal new countdown timer using now progressively reassuring red numbers.
So you are saying that people are not so interested to line up to try cameras that are not much different than cameras last year? Why this could be? And don't blame it to global downturn, because people are lining up to get to restaurants or to buy new iPhone.
I wanted to say impressive for the price, then I saw $899 tag. What?So the $900 now became the norm for premium compacts? Only few years ago, this category was barely touching $500
tbcass: Why is a camera with such a small (2/3) sensor so large? If I want a camera that big I'll get a mirrorless 4/3 or APS-C. "Just Sayin" ;-)
I have RX100 and everybody knows it is super small. But put it against x10 and you would realize that the rx100 is about maybe 80% of x10, it just the x10 looks bigger because of the many knobs and things.
v_roma: I love the new design and I have always loved the way the Fuji X10 and X20 handled, particularly the manual zoom. In fact, the haptics alone have me tempted to get the Fuji X30 despite the small sensor size since it solves my main gripe by far with the previous two models, which was the crappy viewfinder. All that said, it is a shame that Fuji did not go with a 1" sensor. I am sure there are all kinds of reasons but, in the current environment with 1" compact options multiplying plus the announcement of the LX100, a 2/3" sensor on a camera larger than a NEX 6 is hard to make sense of.
I don't see need to stuff big sensor in a small body for enthusiastic. Even the small sensors in $600 cams should produce a significantly better image than a high end smartphone otherwise people will stop buying them as they already stop buying the low end PS.
I think camera makers are still lucky the smartphones are not there yet...
This is stupid sorry to say it as I see it, to make "social-oriented" camera. The best social-oriented camera is called smartphone and it is already in pocket of everybody who is into this self absorbing social thing.
No matter what you do, you can't make N2 work better "social-oriented" than run of the mill smartphone. I gave my wife this social oriented sony HX50 which can so easily connect to smartphone. Guess what she is still taking pics with her smartphone because it is simply more convenient and good enough for the FB crowd..
Mr Darma: I'm inclined to believe that this will go the way of the K-01 (which was a much better camera than it's fate). As a dedicated lifelong Pentax shooter with 5 bodies and 30 lenses, I gave up on APS-C and am back shooting film on my MZ-S, PZ1-p and ZX-5n.....patiently waiting for the much rumored and perhaps never to happen full frame K-1. I wish the effort by Ricoh/Pentax had been directed thus rather than on this blingy little thing.
In my neck of the woods pentax is not successful at all. No big box store like best buy carry any of the K or Q and the specialized photo stores have just extremely limited stock of the latest model if any (like a single K-3 in stock). And of course nobody carries ricoh at all here.
The only problem I have with pentax is their naming conventions. It is total mess with adding letters and numbers that are in descending order after the K. All the K-x, K-r, K-s.. get some system!
Hopefully it is build a bit better than other PLs. My PL-2 lost its shutter button after a week. Fortunately I did found it and then superglue it back, but seriously...
akra: Very puzzling decision to swap flash for EVF for pro-sumer camera. Just for reference, most pro-sumers work regular jobs when lighting conditions are best ... so a lot of pictures are taken during dinners (i.e. after dark), on the beach, when you really need the flash. Am I supposed to have the flash on me every time? One would think that those lucky of us who can afford running around and taking pics during working hours and do need EVF would also be able to afford a real pro camera. Seems that design misplaces the camera for the target audience. Wonder if Leica will do the same blunder with their version of the camera. Otherwise camera looks great.
Tiny add-on flash is usually a very cheap solution, while add-on EVF would cost hundreds of dollars. Modern cameras are amazing even in dark and give more natural look without the flatness and shadows of a tiny front mounted flash.I personally use build-in flash very, very little, not to mention that in many social situation extensive using of flash is not appreciated.
Wow, pretty nifty camera. It is interesting how everybody can now squeeze large sensor into a compact body...
Looking forward the new fw for x100s
LaFonte: Reading many of the comments I got finally completely confused. There are totally contradictory statements which shows that we (as a group) actually don't have any idea how sensor technology works. If this was a class it would be a big fail for the teacher.DPreview, maybe it would be a good idea for a future article by some expert with down to earth way of style to explain how imaging sensor works, how the electrons bounce and what not, how the ISO is calculated, what is the cause of ISO noise etc... Someone who is not a forum poster with expensive words please so we can actually understand.
Well duh, I assume everyone knows those basics. But how about to dig deep, how photon excites the well, how the well size affect effectivity, a crosstalk between pixels wen electrons jump and all that bananas.
How does it relate to the WB set in your camera? I assume if you going with a calibration you don't use AWB, right? or it will mess up the whole thing. So you set your WB to say daylight, shoot the target and then stick with the daylight WB no matter what? I really want to know.
Reading many of the comments I got finally completely confused. There are totally contradictory statements which shows that we (as a group) actually don't have any idea how sensor technology works. If this was a class it would be a big fail for the teacher.DPreview, maybe it would be a good idea for a future article by some expert with down to earth way of style to explain how imaging sensor works, how the electrons bounce and what not, how the ISO is calculated, what is the cause of ISO noise etc... Someone who is not a forum poster with expensive words please so we can actually understand.
nigelht: Physically masking a 36MP FF sensor to the same size as a m43 sensor results in an equivalent 9MP m43 sensor.
You won't see increased noise in this masked sensor which indicates that "total light" has little impact on noise or DR because it should be well understood that these characteristics are based on sensor/adc design and pixel size.
The "idea of equivalence" doesn't tell you anything about the noise potential low light performance of the sensor (relative to same generation sensors). The pixel size does. Larger pixels = less noise.
"Equivalent aperture" only addresses DOF equivalence.
"You won't see increased noise in this masked sensor...""Yes, you will."Such statement is exactly why this topic is such a mess. Me personally I have absolutely no idea why masking part of the sensors wells would then magically increase noise in all the unmasked wells. Absolutely no idea. Somebody is just pulling my teeth here with all the contradictions.There is for sure a definitive answer to all these statements, unless we of course start talking about light as a wave and then we will never finish.So where is the definitive expert capacity on this topic to put all this mess into order.
Those are really something!
I thing the guy behind it must be a marketing genius to get so much venture capital behind him. Some nifty way of persuasion. Seems they got even more capital that Sigma could scram for foevon. In our local store they have one open box lytro camera for more than a year... nobody really wants it, yet the money keep raining in! He is a genius for sure.