keeponkeepingon: So if this is a poll with 15,000 votes.... what are the numbers?
Exactly what percent of the vote did the OM-D/5DMKIII/D800 get, and where's the rest of the data?
Or is this simply dpreviews pick based on suggestions by the readers?
But you have to wonder why it's not included in the article. Looking at the numbers the Nikon and Olympus are practically tied while the Canon is a distant also ran
Heie2: The Pentax K-01, while many hate on the basis of looks alone, is BY FAR the greatest value for money to hit the world of photography in a very long time.
The Pentax K-30 mirrors that sentiment for DSLR's.
" sure wouldn't buy it. it's ugly as hell. plus, for old lenses compatibility, I'd much rather use an adapter that I can remove,"
yes because more of a hassle is better and we all know your camera has to look good to take good pictures.
So if this is a poll with 15,000 votes.... what are the numbers?
Wow. No RX100?
And what's with the title "Best Camera".
This is a popularity contest plain and simple, there is not one photographer that would argue the OMD-5 is better than any of the other contenders in this short list.
And what's wrong with the K-01? Bigger sensor and better IQ and better MF (with focus peaking) at 1/4th the cost of the OMD-5 ($316 @ amazon with the 40mm prime right now). Sounds like a winner in my book.
The ZS20 is sticking out in this collection like a sore thumb.
It's really really hard to believe that one of the "five best" compact zoom cameras in existance has "Average image quality" and only earns 75% on your own published review (a "C" in grade school).
I guess no one cares about IQ these days, not even dpreview.....
Why is this on connect instead of dpreview? Does the hardware work in cell phones?
US price on the 35mm is $849
(adorama has a preorder up).
The main question is: Is the 35mm a new lens or the official replacement for the 35mm F/2 non-IS?
If it is, does that mean Canon will never make an affordable "normal view" prime lens for their APS-C system?
Something like this lens:http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001S2PPT0
So the headline here should be Nat Geo photographers cause penguin deaths for fun and proffit?
I used a $12 knockoff I got on amazon when I went to the beach.
Before that I was using a ziplock bag but I figured $12 for some extra protection was worth it, even if just to keep the sand out.
Well the product is hit or miss. I could use the touch screen through the case which was surprising and great. I did get some beach shots I probably would not have braved with the ziplock bag but.....
One thing you fail to mention is that to use the iphone as a phone you need to take it out of these bags. On the beach that can lead to sand etc in the case and a strugle to get the phone back in once everything is not absolutely dry.
For taking it in and out of the enclosure and using it as a phone the 10 cent ziplock bag was much better.
How well does the original digipack that you used for the article fare when using the iphone as a phone? Was it useable or did you have to take out the iphone.
However this article is missing any sort of metric to objectively compare the devices. What we are left with is basically a survey of the companies marketing material and technical specs but we are missing what makes dpreview great: Objective measurements of performance!
For example how long does it take each device to transfer 100 pictures to an iphone? To face book? To my computer?
Also under connectivity you are omitting connectivity to a computer: Do all of these devices allow transfer of full size raw and video files to a computer?
Actually I don't think you mention if all of the devices support transfer of videos? Do they?
"allowing us to test to even higher resolutions than before."
yet you are only publishing 8mp images on connect.
Are you doing the same for phoneless cameras?
If not why are the smartphones treated differently?
At the end of the day we want to take great pictures regardless of the tool and you do us no service by showing gimped test images.
Thanks for all the posters suggesting free alternatives.
dpreview anonymous writng staff: If you mention the free alternatives this post would look a LOT less like an advertisement.
Nice review but.....
where are the full res test scenes?
Early in the review you state that the large mp pixel count is "no gimmick". If that's true, then where are the test scene samples shot at the full no gimmick resolution?
You are comparing a 40mp camera against 8mp cameras and you gimp the 40mp camera by making it shoot in 8mp?
What the heck? How's this help us decide between an iphone 5 and a pureview if you only provide the pureview samples at iphone resolution?
Detail Man: DxOReview ... featuring controlled-exposure, pixel-resolution-normalized, and non-Adobe-massaged Studio Comparison Tool RAW image-samples for the purpose of readers actually being able to make reliable comparisons between RAW-recording cameras !
This word RAW it does not mean what you think it means....
(how can a RAW file be a pixel resolution normalized jpeg. does not compute...)
Benarm: Without actual samples these DxO scores are pretty useless. Hopefully they will provide something like DPR's studio comparison photos.
> like this? http://connect.dpreview.com/post/1343713337/apple-iphone-5-review?page=7
Simon: are those the full resolution samples from each phone or are the phones with bigger sensors hacked down to 8mp by dpreview? If the later I would suggest your studio scene is mostly useless, especially when comparing resolution.
Why not give us the actual SOC files from the phones? If they are not SOC pictures it's amazing that all of the files are within .1mb of each other.....
In the iphone 5 tests you state that all images are normalized for testing to 8mp.
If resolution is one of your 14 measured parameters this would seem very unfair to large megapixel phones with a decent lens.
Is this a DXO lab mobile testing standard or a dpreview choice? If the later then what the heck?
reeds: Excellent review. It's great to see serious attention on the cameras that most of us use most of the time.
The Nokia Pureview comparison is fair but for the future I'm more interested in comparisons to phones that are closer in size and weight.
The Nokia 808 is more than twice the volume of the iPhone 5 and about 2 oz/57g heavier than the iPhone 5. (Illustrated here: http://www.sizeall.com/compare/Apple-iPhone-5-Nokia-808-PureView-US-quarter-25-cents-coin/314 )
That's like carrying a second phone and 10 US quarters to get the better camera.
What's the best camera phone in same size and weight class?
"The Nokia 808 is more than twice the volume". No it's not. Your link does not work but I plugged the two phones in. Height and width are the exact same shape, it's a bit thicker with a bump for the camera sticking out that is a lot thicker. To get twice the volume you must be calculating the volume of a box it would fit in. But it's not a box, It's like a slightly thicker iphone with a bump sticking out and given the variation in phone shapes I would consider it in the same class.
"For all DxOMark Mobile data presented on connect.dpreview.com we're showing only the '8MP equivalent' values, which gives us a level playing field for comparison between phone cameras with different megapixel values"
Wow. Just wow.
If you did that for normal cameras imagine the uproar......
Why not just report the best each camera can do?
Sasparilla: It appears there is a serious bug affecting the 808, basically the phone, text and data connection freezes (although the user looking at the phone won't be able to tell since it looks like a good connection etc.) - but the user won't be able to receive phone calls, text messages etc.. This happens after several hours and requires a reboot to get things working again....until it happens again.
Nokia has said they are working on a fix, but until one is out it could be a very bad phone experience.
Bit of a bummer, as I was close to getting one, once its fixed it'll go back on my list....get it fixed Nokia.
wow. thanks for the "heads up". My phone is on it's last legs. I had thought I would get an iphone 5 but the camera upgrade is ho-hum, maps are a mess, and I'm ticked off over the whole chipped cable $$$$ grab by apple. I'm leaning hard towards the 808 as I need a good phone, good maps and good camera first, time wasting apps last and for what I really need the 808 is either great (camera) or good enough.
i am disappointed in how horrible the new forums look.
The new layout sacrifices a lot of vertical space, and your archaic fixed width layout will not let me take advantage of my copious horizontal space.
Zoomed in to full screen I can only read one or two posts at a time. A real setback from the old design.
I like the current article comments section a lot better. It's still fixed width but each post takes up much less vertical space.
This is completely objective and not just this old timer not liking any change. The new system fits less comments on a single screen than the old system. And please please please bring back letting us set the flat view by defualt. It's a PITA having to set it for every thread.