Wow. Is there no fact checking at dpreveiw? I actually read this thinking it would be neat to try on my 808, now I find connnect does not have a clue. Thanks for wasting my, and every 808 dpreview reader's time.
"the 8.7MP smartphone just scored nearly as well as Nokia's 41MP flagship phone"
DXOMark resizes everything to 8mp before testing so yeah, surprise surprise when everything is shrunk to the same size it all looks the same.
Continually disappointed that dpreview continues to publicize DXOMarks whacked mobile tests, especially without a disclaimer as to how they jimmy the images before testing to iphone size.
I'm disappointed this "must-have" focuses on editing and not on photography.
How about apps to calculate sunrise sunset?
or.... I don't know, you tell me? What apps would actually help me take pictures versus just hacking some pixels in the field?
Y'all need to read your own buying guide, this is not a superzoom and you folks are just about the only ones calling it a superzoom:
From the most recent buying guide: "Super zoom / Bridge'Very powerful zoom lenses - typically 20X+ zooms"
10X is not a super zoom. All we have here is a big inconvenient camera with (relatively) little zoom with a lens that is (relatively) slow on the not so wide end (where most folks use it the most) and (relatively) fast on the long end.
300m is what I use for kids soccer and it's barely enough, forget about birds etc.
It's hard to rationalize the cost and size when you can get a pocketable 7X LF1 for under $400.
10X "super" zoom?
Y'all need to work on your nomenclature?
10X these days is hardly a superzoom. That's more like a pocket point and shoot.
While I like the 808 camera everything else about it is horrible.
Just doing a basic task can take me 5 times longer than on my iphone.
For example: Take a picture, resize it for email, enter contacts/enter a subject text then send.
OMG it is so slow on the 808. You can't specifiy a size in the email program so you have to enter the editor, resize, then save as a seperate file which takes 4evah. Then you go to send it but they give you 3 choices and the screen is so bad (or my fingers so big) 1/5th of the time it goes to SMS messaging, exit that, try again get into email, now your subject is like a 10 didget number, so you try to select and delete that, but the selection is wonky you finally give up and back space 10 or 20 times to delete the filename based nonsense subject enterr you contacts/text and "finally" hit send.
Sigh. End result is I rarely actually send pictures from the phone, which is sort of the whole point of having a camera in the dang phone.....
ManuelVilardeMacedo: They both lack sharpness. I'm sorry for the people who think they'll make great shots with these expensive gadgets, but both of them are short on image quality. Yes, the 808 is better - at least if you can take your mind off the considerable levels of chromatic aberration -, but what's the point? For the price you'll be better off with an enthusiast compact camera like the Sony RX100.
Yeah no one can make a great shot with these expensive gadgets. Just look at all these terrible pictures:
Unlocked 808 $390
RX100 $595 plus then I need a smart phone, so another ... $390ish for an unlocked phone. Twice the price and juggling two devices, go for it.....
Digital Suicide: 808 and 1020 are meant to shoot in 5MP, not at ridiculous 38MP. What's the point comparing them at this resolution?
The second favorite after full res for most 808 shooters is the 8mp mode. Would love to see a comparison at that resolution.
I can't believe you are still continuing to call the RX10 a super zoom.
8X does not a super zoom make.
It looks like a interesting camera but mislabeling is not doing a service to anyone.
I just love that sony is coming out with products such as the RX10, RX100 etc.
However, you really need to change the title of this review; the "Super Zoom" moniker is misleading and just plain wrong.
Doing the math, it's an 8x zom.
In this day and age 8X zoom does not (by a longshot) qualify as a "super zoom".
Even sony calls it a "high zoom" camera.
Maybe "ultimate bridge camera" would be more appropriate?
I find it frustating that you downgrade every picure to an iPhone's resolution before evaluation.
Who the heck wants a "level playing field"??? I really wish you would compare apples and apples and we could see the 41mp pureview sensors duke it out with this 20mp sensor at full resolution.
I barely pay attention to your dxomark phone data, with the exception that I point out this atrocity on every review I care to look at.
"For all DxOMark Mobile data presented on connect.dpreview.com we're showing only the 8MP equivalent values, which gives us a level playing field for comparison between phone cameras with different megapixel values by normalizing all to 8MP"
Griffo 155: Frankly I'm disappointed. No D400 coming soon then?I know the D610 is an upgrade but Nikon could of added a little more...Wifi maybe?I keep saying this Nikon are losing the plot.
Don't go the Blackberry way Nikon!
Pentax Ricoh announced the D300 replacement earlier this week.
Given that the "big" upgrade is the F1.8 versus F2.0 it would be nice to see more lowlight shots.
For most of your examples, an iphone would have been fine....
Also on my review wishlist: since canon is making some fairly dramatic claims on speed and responsiveness improvements over the S110 it would be nice if you had some sort of timing comparison between the new and old model to help us determine if an upgrade is worthwhile.
I've got an 808, arguably the best camera with the biggest sensor in a phone in existence.
While I often love the ouput of the camera on the 808 it can be frustratingly slow to use that camera.
Unfortunately the modern dpreview reviews do little to inform me as to how the speed of the camera/app in my phone (or any other phone) objectively compares to other phones.
I really miss phill's old timing section in his reviews. While he did not do much of a comparison he provided the data to let me compare amongst the various phones of the era :
It would be great if you had something similar for connect phone reviews but perhaps updated for smart phones. (maybe add time to email to time to first shot or something?).
Plastek: Good test. Guys at LensTip.com made similar tests (only never published the results) and came to a similar conclusions - adapters are completely random and getting an acceptable one - perfectly centred with accurate flange distance - is impossible. That's why they test lenses on native bodies instead of comparing all of them in a single body and single sensor (what would allow cross-system comparisons).
So much for all these people thinking that shooting mirrorless with adapters is a valid way for photography.
"That's different. TCs benefit you by providing longer focal length without a need of taking a second lens into your backpack. That's a huge weight-saver for the price of IQ. Completely different situation."
How's that different? Your OK with loosing IQ to save weight/get more zoom, while other folks may be OK with a (slight) IQ loss to use a legacy lens.
It's the same thing. Trading IQ for to do something you normally could not do with your camera. Just because you value zoom and don't value using legacy lenses does not make it totally different.
One nice thing about pentax is there are some great legacy lenses and you don't need an adapter as the current bodies work with lenses made eons ago.
I was disappointed that my fourth generation ipad did not get the panorama feature.
Any idea why? It's has to have the horse power, there are like 20 apps that seem to manage.
An article stating 8mp is good enough right after the new iphone is released with an 8mp sensor?
please add the 808 to the test scenes.
Why add a nitch phone?
The 808 has the largest sensor in a phone; arguably the best cell phone camera to-date.
If I still lived in seattle I'd loan you mine for a day or five but someone has to have one laying around?
Gosh their testing methodology for the video AF is absolutely horrible.
I'm talking about the test where someone holds a memo and walks away from the camera. The guy is moving back and forth so often the camera has no text to focus on.
I'm not sure how they can draw any conclusion from that sort of test.
keeponkeepingon: I'v seen at least one review (digital rev?) trashing the ergonomic of the X-M1
issues included how you have to reach over a control wheel to get to the shutter button and a touch thumb dial on the back that was too easy to easy to hit accidently.
Could any users of the X-M1 comment on how good/bad it is to handle?
" the awesome build quality only found on high end cameras since it has a magnesium alloy body."
Fakuryu Are you sure you used an X-M1? It has a plastic, not magnesium allow body. There's like a metal part on top but most of the body is plastic.