NAwlins Contrarian: The table on the first page comparing the GM1, GM5, and RX100 Mk. III is misleading in an important respect. For some purposes (weight, zoom range) the Panasonic M4/3s are listed with their kit lens, but for other purposes (depth), they're listed without it. As your pictures on page 2 show, put on the kit lens and the package becomes more like 3 inches (75mm) deep. An RX100 Mk. III is pocketable in most reasonable pants pockets; with the Panasonics and their kit lens, forget it unless you have cargo pockets.
Also, since we routinely list lenses with focal lengths as "35mm equivalent", can we please routinely do the same thing with apertures? For some purposes it's convenient to see that the 12-32mm kit lens is an f/7-11 equivalent and the RX100 Mk. III's lens is an f/4.9-7.6 equivalent. IOW, (1) the Sony can achieve shallower depth of field, and (2) in low light, its much brighter lens will tend to more than compensate for its somewhat smaller sensor.
Brainstorm: Someone should make photographer pants/jackets with a lint free camera pocket.....
Glen K Wells: Jusy my two pennyworth but i think it is a mistake by Panasonic to not provide a built in flash.Ok add-ons are more powerful etc but who are these cameras aimed at?
The LX100 - no flash and now the GM5?Basic photo punters do not want to carry a separate flash around with them to a friends house or out in their other pocket. Just want to take a quick snap oh hang on everyone I need to find and then attach the flash - hey where did everyone go?A built in flash is one of the functions that make cameras like the E-M10 and the NEX I mean A6000 lines popular.A built in flash is dam useful. If there is no room on top anymore why not squeeze one on the front like the days of old - software or the camera can remove red-eye.
Personally I would not choose a camera without one, I know that counts for zip but it is a feature that I look for. Currently have D610, X-E2, NEX-6 and E-M10.
Gonna start a bring back the built in flash campaign haha.
If you use aperture versus flash as your lowlight crutch you reduce DOF which may be unacceptable in many non-portrait artsy situations.
And no matter what your aperture there are some situations where flash is the only answer and your $1000 P&S won't get the shot while a cr@ppy iphone camera with it's horendous flash will give you something worth taking home.
Cameras such as the A6000 let you tilt and bounce the flash for results that occasionally can be quite nice.
A flash is nice to have around as a fill light to soften harsh shadows on sunny days.
morepix: I don't know if it's just a testing fluke or a real camera difference, but the studio comparisons at high ISO (1600, 3200) look a good deal better for the GM5 than for my LX100. I'm seeing my $900 going down the drain. :-(
Doesn't the LX100 only use a portion of the sensor? I thought that was one of the compromises to get the zoom range?
Amazon is currently asking $499 for the XQ2
Gosh it's hard to pay list price for any fuji point and shoot (well mabe the X100 series). The $500 XF1 was just selling for $125 and I can't believe this things takes $375 better pictures:
I probably should read the article before commenting but I find it odd that the pictures all have beautiful foregrounds.
Especially the first, given the relative distance of the milkyway versus the mountain the mountain is like in your face foreground.
Mike FL: As a matter of fact, the "FUJI XF 10-24mm F4 OIS" is not normal b/c no other OIS UW zoom goes beyond 2X for mirror-less sub-frame body:
> Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS
>Nikon 1 Nikkor VR 6.7-13mm f/3.5-5.6
>MFT no need for OIS b/c IBIS: - Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 9-18mm 1:4.0-5.6 - Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH
Fuji did good job for UW OIS Zoom, and it is WR too.
You conveniently forgot the EF-M 11-22
But then that's pretty easy given the "love" canon gives to the EOS-M.....
LionelA: I am interested in buying the sx710 because its a compact camera with a good IQ for the sensor size and great 30x zoom....for those who are posting saying why they wont buy any of these cameras I dont care, if you are waiting for a compact superzoom with a 1/1.7 sensor keep waiting.....then when it is finally released bash that sensor size and keep waiting for the 1" and it goes on and on
How do you know that it has "a good IQ" and that the 30x Zoom is great? What is great about F6.9? Thank you very much!
Maxmolly7: Where is the EOS M listed?
You still sell those.
Sold and shipped by amazon, number one camera in compact system cameras:http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00LUQ6188/
Thunder123: I like how DPReview after removing the A77ii jpgs due to an error in noise reduction still hasn't replaced them
But looking at the Raw files clearly the A77ii is better in most areas.
Using a D7000 to compare the DR, really? DPR cooked the books on this review
Not according to dxo mark: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D7100-versus-Nikon-D7000___865_680
I was wondering what you meant then I looked it up:
Wow, pitting the "latest and greatest" canon against a 4 year old Nikon?
"The Nikon D7000 is a 16.2 megapixel digital single-lens reflex camera (DSLR) model announced by Nikon on September 15, 2010"
Double wow, I just looked them up on amazon. D7000 is $484 versus the 7D MK II at $1799 talk about an apples and aligators comparison.....
Philip Corlis: No Sony cameras in the mix - hardly a credible review.
I just don't understand why a camera can't be in two roundups if it qualifies. The A7 should be in the Full frame roundup and the mirrorless roundup and the Ricoh GR should be in both pocketable roundup and whatever roundup they eventually plan on putting it in.
And I agree the A6000 should be here. It is as good or better than the cameras in this list and is certainly just as compact.
Why isn't the ricoh GR in this roundup?
It seems like a really poor choice to leave a dpreview GOLD award winning high end pocket camera out of the "High End Pocketable" roundup.
Even if you plan on putting it in a "Big sensor Roundup" (or whatever) it still belongs here also as folks looking for a pocketable camera won't necessarily go looking for it among huge clunkers such as the LX100 in your big sensor roundup.
ozturert: Summary of some comments:
1) I think this is a horrible camera because I don't need it.2) This is perfect because it's Canon.3) This is terrible because it's Canon.4) X camera is much better because...5) I cannot afford it, so it's bad.6) It must be bad because I've just bought another camera, so mine should of course be better. See xxx forum if you don't believe me!7) It's ISO25600 is worse than A7, so why should waste my money?8) It's bad because DxO says so.9) 7DMarkII is way behind its competitors like A7s.10) This is old technology compared to xxx.11) There is no WiFi so it's bad.12) Fixed LCD? Come ooooon!13) No touch LCD is a deal breaker for me, I'll continue using my IPhone.14) Only 20MP? This is 2014!15) The old 70D sensor!16) The best camera ever! Does it have Instagram-like effects?17) My camera has more effects!18) Sony is kicking aeass, Canikon is waaay behind!
Thank you so so much for the TLDR.
Now I can go take some pictures and play with my kids instead of reading the 2400+ comments.
You also for got 19) something something something DxO sucks.
You can fill in the something something something, from the few comments I did read there seems to be an anti DxO sentiment from some of the commenters.
It's cool that this supports RAW files but very disappointing it does not support video.
EinsteinsGhost: "DPR Staff", what exactly is an "FE-mount"? (Hint: It isn't that, it is E-mount).
I thought FE-Mount == Full Frame E Mount?
G1Houston: I am a long time Nikon user and have incorporated m4/3 into my system for its good IQ and compact size. However to photograph my kids, I am now mostly using the almost 3 year old D7100 which is just a blast to use — it is fast, with excellent IQ, and its focus tracking is outstanding. Now Nikon has put a state-of-the-art FF sensor in a body that is even lighter than the D7100 with even better AF and metering system, all for just a little bit over $2,000. I thus wonder what is the advantage of the mirrorless system that dpreview and others seem to promote it as the future of photography? Take A7 as an example, you can make the camera only that small before handling becomes a real problem and its lenses are not substantially smaller than those of Nikon/Canon, and are certainly very expensive. What is the advantage of the mirrorless — why does IT have to be the future?
"APS-C is too close in weight and size to FF therefore are really pointless."
Yeah the A6000 is practically the same size of a 5D MkIII so what's the point? Hard to get your point as overall APS-C has better IQ and performance than M43 and 1/3rd the price of FF (or less)?
Pointless for the 1 percenters maybe but in the real world they pretty much have a point.
keeponkeepingon: Is canon making a knock off of the RX100 really "one of the most exciting announcements from Photokina"?
Either it's a boring conference or I'm missing something. Can you explain why this is exciting?
Wow. Gottschalk, thanks for the great explanation. As a canon fanboy I'm still not too excited. I guess I'm a bit disappointed that they just wrapped all of that excellent engineering around a now ancient sony sensor instead of coming up with something a bit better. Thank you very very much!
I'm playing with some of the backlit images and there's a lot of detail shadows. I'm not sure my T2i could do as well so maybe there is some magic special sauce in the 7D Mk2 sensor?
Is canon making a knock off of the RX100 really "one of the most exciting announcements from Photokina"?
Can someone give me a TLDR on how this compares to the sony A6000. Yeah I know the bodies don't compare for handling and EVF versus OVF but based on sheer rubber meets the road shooting specs?
I'm doing a quick snapsort and according to the (often prone to errors) spec list the A6000 has more AF points, faster burst speed and a larger viewfinder while the 7D Mk 2 is weather sealed, has a better lens selection an external mike input and ?????