Thunder123: I like how DPReview after removing the A77ii jpgs due to an error in noise reduction still hasn't replaced them
But looking at the Raw files clearly the A77ii is better in most areas.
Using a D7000 to compare the DR, really? DPR cooked the books on this review
I was wondering what you meant then I looked it up:
Wow, pitting the "latest and greatest" canon against a 4 year old Nikon?
"The Nikon D7000 is a 16.2 megapixel digital single-lens reflex camera (DSLR) model announced by Nikon on September 15, 2010"
Double wow, I just looked them up on amazon. D7000 is $484 versus the 7D MK II at $1799 talk about an apples and aligators comparison.....
Philip Corlis: No Sony cameras in the mix - hardly a credible review.
I just don't understand why a camera can't be in two roundups if it qualifies. The A7 should be in the Full frame roundup and the mirrorless roundup and the Ricoh GR should be in both pocketable roundup and whatever roundup they eventually plan on putting it in.
And I agree the A6000 should be here. It is as good or better than the cameras in this list and is certainly just as compact.
Why isn't the ricoh GR in this roundup?
It seems like a really poor choice to leave a dpreview GOLD award winning high end pocket camera out of the "High End Pocketable" roundup.
Even if you plan on putting it in a "Big sensor Roundup" (or whatever) it still belongs here also as folks looking for a pocketable camera won't necessarily go looking for it among huge clunkers such as the LX100 in your big sensor roundup.
ozturert: Summary of some comments:
1) I think this is a horrible camera because I don't need it.2) This is perfect because it's Canon.3) This is terrible because it's Canon.4) X camera is much better because...5) I cannot afford it, so it's bad.6) It must be bad because I've just bought another camera, so mine should of course be better. See xxx forum if you don't believe me!7) It's ISO25600 is worse than A7, so why should waste my money?8) It's bad because DxO says so.9) 7DMarkII is way behind its competitors like A7s.10) This is old technology compared to xxx.11) There is no WiFi so it's bad.12) Fixed LCD? Come ooooon!13) No touch LCD is a deal breaker for me, I'll continue using my IPhone.14) Only 20MP? This is 2014!15) The old 70D sensor!16) The best camera ever! Does it have Instagram-like effects?17) My camera has more effects!18) Sony is kicking aeass, Canikon is waaay behind!
Thank you so so much for the TLDR.
Now I can go take some pictures and play with my kids instead of reading the 2400+ comments.
You also for got 19) something something something DxO sucks.
You can fill in the something something something, from the few comments I did read there seems to be an anti DxO sentiment from some of the commenters.
It's cool that this supports RAW files but very disappointing it does not support video.
EinsteinsGhost: "DPR Staff", what exactly is an "FE-mount"? (Hint: It isn't that, it is E-mount).
I thought FE-Mount == Full Frame E Mount?
G1Houston: I am a long time Nikon user and have incorporated m4/3 into my system for its good IQ and compact size. However to photograph my kids, I am now mostly using the almost 3 year old D7100 which is just a blast to use — it is fast, with excellent IQ, and its focus tracking is outstanding. Now Nikon has put a state-of-the-art FF sensor in a body that is even lighter than the D7100 with even better AF and metering system, all for just a little bit over $2,000. I thus wonder what is the advantage of the mirrorless system that dpreview and others seem to promote it as the future of photography? Take A7 as an example, you can make the camera only that small before handling becomes a real problem and its lenses are not substantially smaller than those of Nikon/Canon, and are certainly very expensive. What is the advantage of the mirrorless — why does IT have to be the future?
"APS-C is too close in weight and size to FF therefore are really pointless."
Yeah the A6000 is practically the same size of a 5D MkIII so what's the point? Hard to get your point as overall APS-C has better IQ and performance than M43 and 1/3rd the price of FF (or less)?
Pointless for the 1 percenters maybe but in the real world they pretty much have a point.
keeponkeepingon: Is canon making a knock off of the RX100 really "one of the most exciting announcements from Photokina"?
Either it's a boring conference or I'm missing something. Can you explain why this is exciting?
Wow. Gottschalk, thanks for the great explanation. As a canon fanboy I'm still not too excited. I guess I'm a bit disappointed that they just wrapped all of that excellent engineering around a now ancient sony sensor instead of coming up with something a bit better. Thank you very very much!
I'm playing with some of the backlit images and there's a lot of detail shadows. I'm not sure my T2i could do as well so maybe there is some magic special sauce in the 7D Mk2 sensor?
Is canon making a knock off of the RX100 really "one of the most exciting announcements from Photokina"?
Can someone give me a TLDR on how this compares to the sony A6000. Yeah I know the bodies don't compare for handling and EVF versus OVF but based on sheer rubber meets the road shooting specs?
I'm doing a quick snapsort and according to the (often prone to errors) spec list the A6000 has more AF points, faster burst speed and a larger viewfinder while the 7D Mk 2 is weather sealed, has a better lens selection an external mike input and ?????
Robert Kempen: this lens will be ideal for the game parks of Africa on an XT1
Get up close to the waterholes and shoot lions and other predators - good enough for those landscapes and sunsets also
Weather sealing perfect for the constant dust problem
OIS excellent for shooting freehand from the window of your vehicle
I've never been on safari but isn't 135mm a little too short for shooting "lions and other predators"????
I think the 55-250mm is a little short for my kids soccer and they don't even bite.....
keeponkeepingon: One thing I really like about the 3n/5000/5100 bodies is the zoom control for the power zoom allowing full one handed operation.
While I want the EVF and Flash shoe offered on the A6000 I don't have the luxury of using two hands to control the camera.
Why sony would go through all the work to make the power zooms then not put a zoom control on new models such as the A6000 is very puzzling.
"Operating a camera with just one hand, destabilizes the camera and will give you more blurry results." maybe with your full frame DSLR and F2.8 600mm zoom but with the sony NEX and diminutive 16-50 the weight is almost non existent. One handed, two handed my results are all about the same.
Longer shutter times require no-handed, a tripod, and even there using just one hand for everything, and not needing to reach around to the front of the camera to zoom is a nice feature.
km25: The camera is a $500.00 with a nice f2-f2.8 zoom lens. It is for grabing quick shots. The cameras that have large sensor have larger price tags, so why have a 1" sensor when one may have a APS-C. Point is how does it work for the person shooting with it. I would have only hoped the movie side of the camera would get better.Oh that $500.00 price tag in 6 months or so, will be $449.00.
"The cameras that have large sensor have larger price tags, " Sony RX100. Same price. Double the sensor area, almost double the resolution, brighter on the wide end (where my pocket cams sit 90% of the time).
One thing I really like about the 3n/5000/5100 bodies is the zoom control for the power zoom allowing full one handed operation.
OrdinarilyInordinate: This just looks like a Samsung NX3000/NX300M hybrid to me in a Sony package (shape and compact power zoom lens of the same range like NX3000, hybrid AF and touch screen like NX300/NX300M and many other Samsung versions, and 180 selfie screen like NX300M/NX3000).
Samsung copied Sony. This is like the 3rd or 4th iteration of this model. The 3n (which this is externaly a picture perfect copy of) predates the NX300 by 9 months and pre 3n models had similar features.
I know it's incredible to think of samsung as any thing but a leader in photo technology but it is what it is......
abortabort: I find it somewhat interesting that there is no price mentioned when talking about the two adapter modules XLR-K1M and DMW-YAGH. The rest of the article makes it blindly obvious whenever the Sony is more expensive, with the price of the base unit itself then comments about the cost of a 4K recorder (at the moment at least), but when it comes to these adapter modules no mention of price is given only that "The Panasonic DMW-YAGH module is rather more extensive addition" - Is this because the price doesn't fall in Panasonic's favour in this instance? It makes it seem like a positive spin for Panasonic (again) by not acknowledging the massive price difference between the two.
For someone who shoots 1080p and wants XLR mic inputs this not only evens the playing field between the two, but actually swings the other way making the Sony the cheaper of the two - Not saying this is every scenario, but this would certainly be a popular configuration.
Good point! Thanks for pointing it out.
The sony XLR module is $798 and includes a micrphone while the panasonic module is $1995 (amazon prices).
While a +$1100 difference is huge, the panasonic also includes video out but if you don't need those.... wow.
Mike FL: "31mm focal length"? Samsung just did not get it as most of Samsung none P&S cameras.
For some reason I never take selfies with the front facing cam. I've got long arms and I gota have all 8mp for this beautiful face. (The real answer is I spent way way too long with my 3Gs (no ff camera, old habits die hard...)).
iudex: I rarely praise Canon, since it´s gear, especially lenses are very expensive, but now I have to applaud. Decent image quality for an unrivalled price, nice job. I wondered why wideangle lenses always need to be that expensive (e.g. Pentax offers only one wideangle lens, which is great as regards the quality, but very expensive and there is no budget alternative, so i fI wanted a cheaper wideangle zoom, I would have to choose at Sigma) and hope other producers will follow this example.
It's more like 22% more (Selling for 399 CAD at henrys) and I would think better build and much better optical quaility and a more useful long end are pretty darn good reasons for an increase in price?
Lars, I think both this and the iPhone review are well done; I was just theorizing as to the posters logic.
Regarding wider: wider is better for selfies hence wider is better for smartphones.