However this article is missing any sort of metric to objectively compare the devices. What we are left with is basically a survey of the companies marketing material and technical specs but we are missing what makes dpreview great: Objective measurements of performance!
For example how long does it take each device to transfer 100 pictures to an iphone? To face book? To my computer?
Also under connectivity you are omitting connectivity to a computer: Do all of these devices allow transfer of full size raw and video files to a computer?
Actually I don't think you mention if all of the devices support transfer of videos? Do they?
"allowing us to test to even higher resolutions than before."
yet you are only publishing 8mp images on connect.
Are you doing the same for phoneless cameras?
If not why are the smartphones treated differently?
At the end of the day we want to take great pictures regardless of the tool and you do us no service by showing gimped test images.
Thanks for all the posters suggesting free alternatives.
dpreview anonymous writng staff: If you mention the free alternatives this post would look a LOT less like an advertisement.
Nice review but.....
where are the full res test scenes?
Early in the review you state that the large mp pixel count is "no gimmick". If that's true, then where are the test scene samples shot at the full no gimmick resolution?
You are comparing a 40mp camera against 8mp cameras and you gimp the 40mp camera by making it shoot in 8mp?
What the heck? How's this help us decide between an iphone 5 and a pureview if you only provide the pureview samples at iphone resolution?
Detail Man: DxOReview ... featuring controlled-exposure, pixel-resolution-normalized, and non-Adobe-massaged Studio Comparison Tool RAW image-samples for the purpose of readers actually being able to make reliable comparisons between RAW-recording cameras !
This word RAW it does not mean what you think it means....
(how can a RAW file be a pixel resolution normalized jpeg. does not compute...)
Benarm: Without actual samples these DxO scores are pretty useless. Hopefully they will provide something like DPR's studio comparison photos.
> like this? http://connect.dpreview.com/post/1343713337/apple-iphone-5-review?page=7
Simon: are those the full resolution samples from each phone or are the phones with bigger sensors hacked down to 8mp by dpreview? If the later I would suggest your studio scene is mostly useless, especially when comparing resolution.
Why not give us the actual SOC files from the phones? If they are not SOC pictures it's amazing that all of the files are within .1mb of each other.....
In the iphone 5 tests you state that all images are normalized for testing to 8mp.
If resolution is one of your 14 measured parameters this would seem very unfair to large megapixel phones with a decent lens.
Is this a DXO lab mobile testing standard or a dpreview choice? If the later then what the heck?
reeds: Excellent review. It's great to see serious attention on the cameras that most of us use most of the time.
The Nokia Pureview comparison is fair but for the future I'm more interested in comparisons to phones that are closer in size and weight.
The Nokia 808 is more than twice the volume of the iPhone 5 and about 2 oz/57g heavier than the iPhone 5. (Illustrated here: http://www.sizeall.com/compare/Apple-iPhone-5-Nokia-808-PureView-US-quarter-25-cents-coin/314 )
That's like carrying a second phone and 10 US quarters to get the better camera.
What's the best camera phone in same size and weight class?
"The Nokia 808 is more than twice the volume". No it's not. Your link does not work but I plugged the two phones in. Height and width are the exact same shape, it's a bit thicker with a bump for the camera sticking out that is a lot thicker. To get twice the volume you must be calculating the volume of a box it would fit in. But it's not a box, It's like a slightly thicker iphone with a bump sticking out and given the variation in phone shapes I would consider it in the same class.
"For all DxOMark Mobile data presented on connect.dpreview.com we're showing only the '8MP equivalent' values, which gives us a level playing field for comparison between phone cameras with different megapixel values"
Wow. Just wow.
If you did that for normal cameras imagine the uproar......
Why not just report the best each camera can do?
Sasparilla: It appears there is a serious bug affecting the 808, basically the phone, text and data connection freezes (although the user looking at the phone won't be able to tell since it looks like a good connection etc.) - but the user won't be able to receive phone calls, text messages etc.. This happens after several hours and requires a reboot to get things working again....until it happens again.
Nokia has said they are working on a fix, but until one is out it could be a very bad phone experience.
Bit of a bummer, as I was close to getting one, once its fixed it'll go back on my list....get it fixed Nokia.
wow. thanks for the "heads up". My phone is on it's last legs. I had thought I would get an iphone 5 but the camera upgrade is ho-hum, maps are a mess, and I'm ticked off over the whole chipped cable $$$$ grab by apple. I'm leaning hard towards the 808 as I need a good phone, good maps and good camera first, time wasting apps last and for what I really need the 808 is either great (camera) or good enough.
i am disappointed in how horrible the new forums look.
The new layout sacrifices a lot of vertical space, and your archaic fixed width layout will not let me take advantage of my copious horizontal space.
Zoomed in to full screen I can only read one or two posts at a time. A real setback from the old design.
I like the current article comments section a lot better. It's still fixed width but each post takes up much less vertical space.
This is completely objective and not just this old timer not liking any change. The new system fits less comments on a single screen than the old system. And please please please bring back letting us set the flat view by defualt. It's a PITA having to set it for every thread.
OK just had my first look at the new forums and I absolutely hate them, but maybe I'm overlooking a setting that could "fix" my problems?
Your unforgivable sin?
You waste precious vertical space and you don't implement a variable width to take advantage of horizontal space.
Zoomed in to full screen, I can get 1 maybe 2 posts on the screen.
Look at slickdeals.net arstechnica.com anandtech.com and so on. All of them are variable width. Y'all are still stuck in the 90's. Either slim down your use of verticle space per post or allow your forums to stretch out.
Thanks for the timely quick review!
I would have loved to see a comparison to the Nokia 808.
I'm leaning towards the iPhone5 as I have a ton of iOS apps but it would be nice to know how much IQ I'm giving up by not dumping apple and going with Nokia.
Also, at leat part of the iphone 5 marketing has been directed at how fast it is. I would love to have some impressions on the speed of the 5 for both taking and processing photos versus the older iphones (I'm still using a 3gs).
Sammy Yousef: Based on past experience on boards such as slashdot.org (computers and science newsdiscussion), the moderation will be a disaster. It's too easy for groups of bullies to put in the time and effort to gang up on someone they don't like, and most good people will simply steer clear rather than get involved. The user moderation system on slashdot.org has contributed to turning it from a reputable "news for nerds" board into a shadow of it's former self.
Wow. I'm not the only one that thinks the moderation killed /.
I Hope this forum does not go the same way.
Chris Donnet: Of course, not a single question about the D400; why are the journalists always asking uninteresting questions during these corporate fiestas ?
If the D400 is real and imminent it's likely dpreview is under an NDA. That just blows my mind that journalists could agree not to talk about something, but that's how they get the prerelease cameras so they can come out with a review/preview right after the products are announced.
They could "play dumb" and ask anway.....
A second nikon review? What's up with the Canon review?
OK. As a canon user since the original S100 I have to say I am dumfounded by this and the S110.
My question: Does this $2100 camera really have no built in AF assist lamp? Rebels traditionally us the flash for AF assist and this has no flash and no AF assist lamp:
Or is dpreview wrong in the specs: "Autofocus assist lamp by optional dedicated Speedlite"
What the heck good is a large high ISO capaple sensor if it can't focus in the dark?
LCD is wide. Blech.
Displaying a normal aspect ration photo how big would the screen diagnol be of the picture? I"m guessing around 2.5" or less.
Dave Oddie: I find the 'Don't Import Suspected Duplicates' option to be rather useless because I rename my files on import and LR doesn't remember that when you imported DSC0001.ARW you renamed it to "Oulton Park 20120710 0001.ARW" or whatever.
Unless of course I am missing some setting or other to get this to work!
As LR is a database driven program storing the original file name when doing a rename doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
It works for me. However I am retaining part of the orignal file name in my image name so maybe that's what's enabling it?
However, one annoying "feature" is that if I cull images, LR does not remember that it imported the images so I get to re-cull them all over again.
I'm confused as to why you would use a one star rating instead of tagging each photo as a "PICK".
With the one star rating your are basically applying not necessarily true info that may "bite you in the behind" later if you don't get around to applying a correct star rating. Example scenario: you never finish processing a batch of photos further than one starring all of your great stuff. Then four years later in a fit of digital decluttering you delete all of those horrible one star pictures. Far fetched? Maybe.
The other reason to use Pick versus one starring is that it is faster because I can use one key to pick/unpick. With the star rating I need to hit 1 to pick then use my other hand to hit zero to unstar the picture. With the ' key (the tilde key un shifted) I can pick and un pick using one key. Perhaps this behavior has changed in LR 4 (I'm still on 3).