Hurricain711: yawn. My a6000 kicks its ass
For some things the A6000 is a real snail. Part of it may be the power zoom but perforamnce wise it can be slow as nails. Slow to power on. Slow to do basic functions such as zooming etc.
Touch screen on the M is wonderful. Touch to click the shutter is great. Very iphoneish, tremendous WAF and if you hand your camera to a stranger you have a decent chance of getting a good picture.
I have both the original EOS-M and the A6000.
Surprisingly for some things I like the EOS-M much better. I tend to gravitate towards it as my carry around camera and the A6000 gets hauled out for sports.
The A6000 IS a nice camera but gosh it's so frustrating at times.
For example with the EOS-M I can take a picture while the cameras is in video mode (not taking a movie).
Push the shutter with the mode dial on video in the A6000 and you get an error message that you can't take a picture. Then you need to switch modes then take the picture but hey the moment is gone too bad you are using an A6000.
Now during a video you want to take a picture? On the EOS-M and almost every other modern camera it's no problem, sure you can take a picture while taking a video. But on Sony's latest and greatest? No way.....
Screen on the A6000 is smaller. Yes smaller. Specs may say the same size but the aspect ratio on the EOS-M matches a picture while on the A6000 you always have wasted space.
keeponkeepingon: The price is really strange.
You can get an M3 body for $350 USD in japan but here in the states the cheapest setup they sell is $679???? With a lens every EOS-M owner already has?
As an EOS-M afficionado who would love a chance to upgrade the price, and lack of a body only option has me a bit perplexed.
rrccad I looked at the canon USA site and they do not have a body only option listed. Did I mis-read the press release? Is the $679 price only for the body? Yet the body in japan is selling for $350.
You have to wonder how canon justifies doublling the price for the US market. How did that discussion go? "Well the EOS-M was a flop, how can we make the M3 succeed? How about doubling the price for the US market? Bingo, give that guy a raise!"
MustyMarie: An actual DPR review of M3 some day ??
But better than the new 7D MKII? Just another way to put it....
AbrasiveReducer: Ok, enough.
All the EOS M3 bodies can display multiple languages, including English. Doesn't matter where you get one.
Yes, you can use the EVF and flash simultaneously
No, the sensor is not made by Sony (wish it was.)
Yes, the focusing is faster than previous models but it's still not an SLR
No, the dynamic range is not improved and is typical of a Canon camera
Yes, it takes pictures comparable to a Canon APS SLR (which is fine for many people) but in a smaller package. The lenses, in particular are much smaller.
Yes, the focus peaking makes using uncoupled lenses very easy.
Yes, the price will go down. Like all digital cameras it will be replaced before long (already M4 rumors.)
No, it is not state of the art. But you have to wonder what Canon gains if a customer who was going to buy a Rebel buys an M3 instead. It's a wash.
The eos-m kit flash is $64 and works with the EOS-M system as a "wireless master (optical)"
No it does not have all the bells and wistles of a profesional body but it fits well into the canon system, including flash.
Gosh why are people so eager to make up reasons to hate this camera?
The price is really strange.
akjos: At this point... who cares really. I bought original M with 18-55 and 22 and it turned out to be the biggest photo gear mistake i ever made. Camera had been sitting in the drawer over a year after i only used it twice. Should have sold it long time ago. The canon files just fall apart way to quickly compared to nikon and sony. Plus very bad dynamic range.and considering you can get a6000 for less or even mint used A7 for about same... that will be hard to sell , canon.
Compared to nikon what? Your D750?
I have an A6000 and EOS-M and I rarely notice the difference in post processing.
But then I keep my ISO down and control my lighting. Maybe if all id did was shoot black cats in shadows I'd be singing a different toon.
I kinda like it too especially for the price i paid.. ( great shape used with both lenses no flash for 430 $ )I do miss a viwefinder :/Lenses are really nice"
sapporodan: I think they will need to put their 50mp full frame sensor in it (and design new lenses) to get much interest.
It cant compete against Sony for people who pixel peep, and it cant compete against Micro four thirds for people who want small cameras with lots of lens choice.
Kind of stuck in the middle.
Have you used the EF to EF-M adapter? It's really fast. Well just as fast as the normal focusing, you really don't notice it's there.
There is no way the Metabones is just as fast on the crop sensor sonys. Which lens and which metabones and which APS-C sony is just as fast?
Plus the Canon adapter sells for $31. How much is your metabones????
keeponkeepingon: I'm really interested in how this compares to casio 1000fps modes that have been around (and refined) for 7 years.
Unfortunately Casio can't be bothered with the US and European market these days. A pitty as they've produced some really cool kit in the past.
Exactly. If you can't compete... leave in defeat.
I wonder how there bottom line is doing versus the global companies.
My family always loved casio's "back in the day" . A decade ago ish they had features I loved (like the pre-recorded or "past movie" modes) that you still can't get anywhere else.
Wow. you are right. Now I get it.
1080p at 1000FPS? versus the high speed modes on Casio's current flagship the EX-100:
Still Images：RAW / 12M(4000x3000) / 3:2(4000x2656) / 16:9(4000x2240) / 8M(3264x2448) / 3M(2048x1536)Movies：FHD：1920 x1080(30fps) / HD*：1280x720(12fps/15fps/20fps/30fps) / STD：640x480(30fps) / HS 1000：224x64(1000fps) / HS 480：224 x 160(480fps) / HS 240：512 x 384(240fps) / HS 120：640 x 480(120fps) / HS 30-240：512 x 384(30 to 240fps) / HS 30-120：640 x 480(30 to 120fps)
I'm really interested in how this compares to casio 1000fps modes that have been around (and refined) for 7 years.
"A notable absence from the compatibility list is Hasselblad – perhaps too much of an arch rival in the medium format world."
You fail to mention Capture One blocking Pentax 647Z comparability. The software is compatible (you can change the EXIF camera model data to IQ250 and it will work with 647Z files) but they pulled support to undermine their competition in the hardware arena.
Or is this no longer an issue?
Why the focus on free services and no mention of zenfolio?
Zenfolio is the number one hit on DDG and number two on google for the search "photographer portfolio hosting web site"
Plus Zen has RAW storage available for every account level:
Snikt228: There are truly a crazy number of photo sites out there now, you have to wonder how many will have disappeared without a trace even in 5 years
exactly. I remember a couple of years ago the verge did a roundup and picked a brand new service based on social integration or something. Two years later the service went under.
The one I worry about the most is smugmug. I've been a member off and on for years. It's a mom and pop company run by folks that seem decent and in some ways head and shoulders above the free stuff. However if you listen to interviews with the guy who runs it, it's horrifying to hear about the legal shenanigans they have to go through fighting the patent trolls just to exist.
Is there a LightRoom plugin/Publishing service? Because after using smugmug/zen/flickr with a publishing service it's hard to imagine using anything without that feature.
It would take a lot to get me back on the old export upload repeat everythime you make a change treadmill.
keeponkeepingon: I"m curious why this is under connect?
Sure there are apps for it but this is just a shift of googles web accessible photo service away from "plus".
I think it's a "good thing", they are treating photos as a tier one product similar to gmail.
Sure it's photo news, but mobile news? It'd be like if you started reporting anything flickr related under connect just because "there's an app for that".
Well yeah, I rarely read "connect" news, as I could care less about phone stuff and I hate the blinding white background.
But it's just bizzare. Google has a zillion dollar investment in photo storage accessible from any device or computer and you put any news on the whole system here in your mobile news because "there's an app for that".
The first article on this was so mobile centric I did not realize google photos applied to my computer/web accessible online photos until I read about it on a competitors web site.
Just look at your title of the first roll out of photos and tell me what sort of grade you'd get in journalism school for capturing the news in one sentence:
"Google rolls out standalone Photos app with unlimited free storage"
I"m curious why this is under connect?
keeponkeepingon: Sony's firmware update process is abysmal. On canon I just transfer a file to my SD card and tell the camera to update the firmware. With sony I need to install software which is at times incompatible with the latest version of OSX then run a program that may or may not brick my camera. As a canon/sony owner the whole process makes me go WTF sony?
I'm mostly happy with my A6000 but where it stumbles it falls flat on it's face. The simple process of zooming in on a image when viewing it after taking the shot takes seconds then it's zap a max in preview that either needs to be panned or zoomed out. This makes chimping in the field a real hassle.
Question: I'm still on firmware 1.0, will the latest firmware fix the delay in zooming in on image playback issue? Thanks!
I updated the firmware and it was huge PITA compared to my canon firmware updates (xfer new firmware to an SD card, select update firmware from the cameras menue, done).
And..... it was a waste of time. Zooming in is still just as slow and I don't even notice the faster startup time. Oh well at least now I can complain that "even with the latest firmware".....
"The zoom-in is quite well designed. "It's slow as heck compared to every other camera I own.
"The only downside is that it does not zoom on to your focus point"
Exactly so it zooms 100% to the wrong point then you need to pan over to what you are interested in, further slowing down the process.
Bravo for lensrental not only to go through all this work but then to give it away for free.
One standout to me was that the new Canon 50mm F1.8 STM achieves a consitency score of 9.3 the second highest score in the table and right up there with Zeiss. Not bad for a $150 lens.....
You could argue that the 50mm is the easiest of the bunch to make, but the equivalent Nikon only achieved a consistency of 6.3 so bravo Canon
Photoman: Wait till the A7RII is reviewed and watch the second hand market get flooded with Canon 5DS cameras...
"Those people mostly buy Canon lenses."
Isn't one of the selling points of the A7RII fast AF with canon lenses? Could have swore I saw that somewhere but maybe I'm wrong?