I have been playing with cameras since late 60's. After all these years and many different cameras this is what I think:- Digital cameras have matured into a product which in most cases deliver a satisfying to excellent image quality. Mobile phones are evoluting into portable do everything computers with a basic camera function producing an image quality which is improving all the time.- Time have changed, most people could not care less about quality and are carrying a mobile phone not a camera.- Manufacturers are trying to create a need to upgrade by emphasizing the technological aspect of the new equipment so you can take "better pictures " which for most people is irrelevant as they don't really comprehend the basic principles of Photography but they understand technology.- Current times are hard times financially and competition is fierce, there are very few reasons to justify a camera upgrade for most of us.- Photography is reaching a turning point.
DXO does lab tests. Reality shooting is a different story. Canon and Nikon both are they strength in some area and they weakness in others. I own both a 5D Mk3 and a D800; I can tell you they both are professional tools which in the right hands can produce brilliant results. I don't think photography is based only on the quality of your lens so really those results are just indicative.I think it's pointless to argue which system is best, lenses produced these days have extraordinary resolving power and really it's all about getting the best lens camera combination for the job.
I have my 5D mark 3 for just over 3 weeks now so I got time to test it out a bit.This is my second body as I have a 1Ds mark 3 as well since 09.
So this is what I think, let's point out first that I am not a PRO but I take in average 2000 to 2500 pictures a month roughly just to give you an idea. I do essentially landscapes, portraits and still life, very rarely sports.
- Focusing a lot better than the 5D Mark 1...- Nice AWB better than the 1DS but lack the 5 WB personal settings, only 1- Great C1,C2,C3 function, really useful to me.- HDR I think is excellent, I have Photomatix as well to compare it with.- Colors can be very vivid by default and need small adjustments- Works beautifully with non "L" lenses, better than the 1Ds I think - No light leak for me.- Battery could be better- Excellent silent mode
I am not sure what all the negative comments are all about really, to me this is a great camera despite all the criticisms.
copajaus: Hi everyone,
May be someone can help me on this.I got a 5D Mark 3 a couple of days ago, read the light leak issue and decided to give it a try just to see.This is what I did:
Test 1:Room completely nearly dark (98%).Using live view in A+ mode, LENS CAP NOT ON LENS - Took a shot, F1.2 at 1/20s. - Then took a shot again + switch the top LCD light ON, got F1.2 at 1/20s.
I was actually surprised that my AF could pick a picture on the wall in near total darkness using live view... may be I don't keep up to date with things enough.
Test 2:Room completely nearly dark (98%).Using live view in A+ mode, LENS CAP ON LENS.- Took a shot 0.5s at F1.2. - Took another shot + switch the top LCD light ON, got 0.5s at F1.2.
So, what am I missing...? Looks to me that it's all good.I someone could provide some infos on this it will be much appreciated...
That what I think as well.
Hi,Thanks for your reply.I put the camera on Auto ISO and did not record the ISO setting...
I own an X100, AF was not too good at the beginning but got better with new firmwares, I don't think you should worry too much, issues are going to be fixed. I found FUJI to be very pro-active until they get something "right" so it;s just a question of time before they release of fix for those issues.At the meantime I am pretty sure the picture quality is excellent.Enjoy it...!!!
First thing, I am not working for Canon....
Just got a 5D Mark 3 yesterday, I am an existing Canon EOS-1DS Mk3 owner.Before committing to the purchase I was disappointed by the new 5D Mark III specs on paper and was even considering a D800. But after careful consideration... (I have 9 Canon lenses/Zeiss) I went ahead and got the 5D Mark III, I wanted a lighter camera and there are no many options available.
So far I am using it mainly with a 50mm F1.2L lens and snap around the place trying different settings. Here are my findings for what it's worth:
- Fantastic photographic tool, intuitive (Mind you I have been using Canon since 1979...), auto focus is just great, a lot better than the 1Ds Mk3.
- The auto white balance has been improved, colors look more accurate.
- I wonder when I will be using the flash, with Auto ISO and a 1.2 lens you can go a long way without flash.
- Excellent construction, feel great in hand.
- Beautiful LCD screen, wide color gamut.
Did I mention that here in OZ the Nikon D800 will go for about $3400 AUD. The D800E will go for about $3600 AUD, I got my 5D mk3 for about $3700, not that much difference; no point importing from overseas, with import taxes, you will pay the same money. Nobody has any D800 yet though and I believe the waiting list is big.I am looking forward to see some test results on those, at the minute it's just predictions not facts.I have heard about the "green screen" on the D800 and so forth, that is expected at this point, it's a new product with a new technology, same goes for the 5D Mark 3, it's just a computer after all... with bugs.But it appeal to a certain market, I wish it was $2500 like the Mark2; but I was after a light Canon body, the Mark2 AF is the same than the Mark 1 and I found it very sluggish, would not spend the money on it, not much choice unless you can settle for a 7D or a 60D which are 2+ years old, quite old in fact in digital term.
I did not reply about the light leak because I actually did try TODAY in the dark, see my posting on 5d Mark 3 light leak...And I COULD NOT reproduce the problem. In the doubt I have asked for someone to help me just in case I miss something.Of course I know about the issue, but guess what, I didn't care and I went for it and so far, it was a great move...
He he, here we go again Mr. Adler1970... interesting polemic...!!!Let me ask you something, what is going to happen when there is a 80 Mp camera monster from brand X, are you going to do the same thing...?You seem obsessed by the D800, to be honest if I had to care about all the new camera equipment coming out I will:1/ go broke 2/ get sick of it.The D800 is a great camera it's undeniable until the next things comes up. Is it the BEST...? Sorry not to me, definitely not as versatile as a 5D Mark 3.... I could'nt care about DXO findings, those are computer specs. nothing less, nothing more. But you can think what you want. You obviously love it... And to extrapolate a bit, the best system for me will be a system with Canon telephotos and Nikon Wide Angle lenses + Nikon flash system.... nobody is perfect.
Adler1970, I am not selling Canon gears so that is what I think, nobody is pushing me to do anything. If you like your D800 so much, what are you doing on a 5d mark 3 forum???I am not pushing you to like it or dislike it, I am just giving my opinion as a Canon user that's about it. Anyone can take it or leave it it's up to them I don't pretend anything. Light leak???, sorry don't know what you are talking about everything works perfectly.
Ah, one last thing, I have as well upgraded the firmware (Not that I neeeded to) and it's all beautiful.
If you are a Canon user this is definitely a new type of imaging tool, I am impressed... don't listen to all the criticism on the web and if you can get one, I guarantee you won't regret it.
Did I mention as well that the pictures out of that camera look a lot better than the preview pictures on this site... no offense. It can be misleading if you judge only on what's posted on the Web.
As you can see I am very pleased with my purchase.
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- I am not sure what you can compare that camera with, it's a small 1DX and very far from the 5D Mark 1... I did not use the Mark 2 so I won't comment.
- Picture quality is excellent, I absolutely delighted with the results, and it pushes you to take more and more pictures as you gain confidence in the tool.
- So far I did not find any flaws... sorry if I disappoint...!
- What else could we need...?
As a Canon user for many years, I have to admit that Nikon has come up with very good new products recently. The D800/D800E is one of those, the image quality is excellent and not one of the existing D-SLR currently on the market is able to touch it in term of resolving power. I have been considering the 5D Mark3 but I am hesitating to throw 3.5K into a product which seems "Deja Vu" without real substantial improvement compared to the Mark 2. I have invested too much in Canon lenses and jumping ship will cost way too much but I am contemplating slowly to acquire Nikon gears as well around a D800/D800E body. I own a Canon 1Ds Mk3 and 9 Canon and Zeiss lenses, right now I love my camera and I am looking for a second lighter body. I think that Canon has been concentrating too much on Video users for the past 3 years or so, forgetting customers interested in pictures NOT videos.I am interested in image quality and I do believe the D800 delivers plenty more right now.
DRoca: I think this cam is an ERROR, a marketing error, nobody expected 36Mb of raw files. You have to increase a lot your hard disk capacity and also procesor speed if you don't want to bore betweed rotation and rotation. It's not possible to reduce the size of raw files, thought it is posible jpg sizes, this does not help much.By now Canon 5D III has no rival in this way, thought Nikon will launch the D700x with video full HD features, and it's 21Mb sensor... this would be a dream, or a wish for those who have been waiting a long time and are deceived with that big raw sensor, market didn't expect that.
Yep, 36Mp is definitely a serious appeal to most people. It's just evolution; in 10 years it will go over 50Mp or more... just look at the evolution since end 90's...!It's just a computer in constant evolution, it doesn't need to make sense, it's just happening. Saying you don't need many pixels is futile. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything.The D800 is to my view the most serious piece of gear put on a market by Nikon in a long time. It comes with initial issues which certainly will be addressed with new firmware updates.But overall, it's a step ahead in what I think is the inevitable direction... and I am a Canon man...!!!
copajaus: I personally don't see significant differences in image quality between this 5D mk3 and my 1Ds mk3; with today's post processing, anything is possible.I will not pay the asking price for that body unless I am desperate for some basic video capabilities and money is no object. To me this is a $2500 camera, not $3500. I am afraid to say but at around the 3K + mark, it looks like you get more for your money with a D800... and I have been using Canon since 1979...!!!I am pretty sure Canon will launch a new camera with (I am hoping...):- 35 Mega pixels +- Decent auto focus, as good as my 1ds is perfect, 5D Mark 1 was NOT GOOD AT AUTO FOCUSING.- Sealed body without the integrated motor drive such as the 1ds to save weight, may be like a 1V or similar- Decent HIGH ISO Quality (Picture quality is subjective though).- Less VIDEO functionality which only appeal to a certain market. I want a camera for STILLS NOT VIDEOS, if I want a VIDEO I buy a VIDEO CAMERA...!!!
The problem is, nobody will ever win, it becomes a computer war, more processing = more features... if your work flow can cope with big files why not...?So what it is worth to you is like putting a price on technology not art... always keeping in mind that photography is about vision, not camera.
I personally don't see significant differences in image quality between this 5D mk3 and my 1Ds mk3; with today's post processing, anything is possible.I will not pay the asking price for that body unless I am desperate for some basic video capabilities and money is no object. To me this is a $2500 camera, not $3500. I am afraid to say but at around the 3K + mark, it looks like you get more for your money with a D800... and I have been using Canon since 1979...!!!I am pretty sure Canon will launch a new camera with (I am hoping...):- 35 Mega pixels +- Decent auto focus, as good as my 1ds is perfect, 5D Mark 1 was NOT GOOD AT AUTO FOCUSING.- Sealed body without the integrated motor drive such as the 1ds to save weight, may be like a 1V or similar- Decent HIGH ISO Quality (Picture quality is subjective though).- Less VIDEO functionality which only appeal to a certain market. I want a camera for STILLS NOT VIDEOS, if I want a VIDEO I buy a VIDEO CAMERA...!!!
Josh152: I think Canon's main competition against the 5DIII will be 5DII. It's 90% the same camera as the 5DIII and offers, for practical purposes, the exact same IQ but at a much cheaper price. Unless you really need the better AF or 6 fps the 5DII is a much better value for the money. If you already have a Mark II and don't need the AF or FPS improvements there is no compelling reason to justify spending the money on the Mark III.
I think so too unless you want to gratify yourself with the latest gadgetry in picture taking...call it progress I suppose...
Yeah, if you try RAW 12800, you can see that the 5D mk3 has better low light handling, however if we consider the image size factor, the d800 is not far behind. The 5D mark 2 is holding pretty well too... Sony NEX-7 does not look good at all.