mediman30: It would have been nice if DPR can post some pictures of this new A7 with another full frame DSLR to compare the size difference. Thanks in advance! Oooopsss...I just found it! Thanks DPR!
same size as E-M1. works for me...
bluevellet: Wow, finally the review is done.
Essentially, the camera is similar to the E-P3 but with updated tech (which DPR very much likes) and shutter shock (DPR no likey). I don't think I've ever experienced shutter shock on Oly cameras, but I'll take DPR's word for it.
I'm still surprised the camera was rated as high as it did considering how relatively low past Pen models were rated before.
I was considering the E-P5, but I think the E-M1 tickles more my fancy for essentially the same money (if you consider the E-P5-17mm-VF4 package deal). I'll probably wait for the next-gen for a smaller, lower cost model as an altertive (something like like an E-PL7). Always nice to have options though.
FF NEX is just around the corner but the heavily rumored high price of admission and slow primes make it less appealing to me. I'd rather get a D600 or a A99 for the money with some cheap f1.8 primes.
not all, my friend.take the RX1, for example.or, by margin, the leica models (they are huge to some, but not bulky)or wait for the new sony FF models...
dejongj: I don't get this...I've had my EP5 since early July here in the United Kingdom. Shot several thousand photos since then, and never seen this double image DPReview is talking about...Very odd...
true. makes me wonder, what exactly is responsible. i was looking forward buying one. seems save to bring your laptop to your dealer and examine the camera prior to use for that issue...
Mirrorless Crusader: Also it's a joke that the SL1 gets gold and this gets silver
i have fun reading this :D
ThePhilips: "The issue is most prevalent at shutter speeds between 1/80th and 1/250th of a second, and most obviously visible when using short telephoto lenses [...]"
Wow. That's a biggie. No, that genormous and unacceptable for a camera positioned that high.
P.S. Gotta try to see whether the touch AF would do anything with the shutter shock on my GX7.
which limits are that?
Elite83: It's a nice device, but I can't see spending that kind of money on an ILC that wasn't even APS-C.
so many times i read about "shallow DOF", as if that is the holy grail in photography.for me, DOF very often ruins tings.
though it's a thing, you can learn, many people are just overstrained.
one example, where a guy shot a em5 with a voigtlander lens mountet. here, the LENS was the main issue. but due to the shallow DOF, you hardly can see the lens details... fail for me
RichRMA: Knew it wasn't as good as the E-M5. I still think the images are less sharp out of camera.
i don't see that
sambomax: Its over! deadThey need to develop FF based on that tech
sony a99 vs p5 with 35mm FOV
true, there are a lot of options. A A99 would not be in my scrapbook though. it is soo huge and bulky!
here is a comparison with 35mm lenses:http://camerasize.com/compact/#377.60,459.383,ha,t
Entropius: I really can't see why someone would buy one of these over an E-M5, which is a sure-enough awesome device.
let me help you with that:removable, much better electronic viewfinderfocus peakingwifi capabilitieson board flashfaster shutter2x2 mode
for me: P5 over EM5
blohum: The EP5 is surely stuck between a rock and hard place... the EM1 body is about the same price as the EP5/VF4/17 bundle and the EM5 is dropping in price.
There's things to like such as 8000th sec, 'low' ISO and VF4 but so many missed opportunities... limiting WiFi to only iAuto mode was surely a marketing decision just so they could give those privileges to the EM1, same as limiting timelapse to 99 frames. If the EP5 was a cheaper camera I could accept these compromises but it's supposed to be a premium camera.
On top of these they've removed the option to use the larger grip, a must have for my EP3 as far as I'm concerned. Surely they could have placed the WiFi antenna behind the plastic AV door??
then don't buy the EP5. i, for one, will do. because i like the cam plus focus peaking with the other new features really talk to me...
Marty4650: The EP5 sits in the same marketing spot as my E30 did.
"Not the best... but costs almost as much as the best"
Yes, the EP5 has a few nice features, but certainly not enough to justify selling it for exactly twice the price of an EPL5. If you can't stand the DSLR look, and just love using optional clip on EVFs, then the EPL5 is the obvious choice.
The EPL5 offers you an awful lot, for half the price of the EP5The EM5 offers you more, at the same price.The GX7 offers you more, at around the same price.The GH3 and the EM1 offer you a LOT more, for just a little more money.
I suppose someone will want the EP5, and be willing to pay the high price for it. But it won't be me.
where do you get your conclusions from?
i heftet long between EM5 and P5: better removable viewfinder, focus peaking and 2x2 controls did it for me in favour of P5what "more" is ther for the EM5 over the EP5?
GX7 offers you more? what does it offer you more? video for shure. but anything else?
basicly, you state no relevant functions here, so i take it as your opinion only...
Oly72: Seems very odd that 'What digital Camera' gave the E-P5 a rating of 90% and a 'Gold Award' and with absolutely no mention of blurred images at shutter speeds of 1/160. Olympus has the best image stabilisation system around - bar none. Are you sure that the sample used for the test wasn't just a faulty unit as I just cannot believe that Olympus would release a camera with such an issue.
'Camera labs' also gave the E-P5 a score rating of 86% and again with out any mention of blurred images at the fore mentioned speeds.
'Techradar.com' Gave the E-P5 a 5 out of 5 star rating and guess what? No mention again of blurred images at the stated shutter speeds?!!
if they start bashing the EM1, no one will believe it! The EM1 is too hot camera to badmouth with this blurred images. you will not read anything like that on DPR for the EM1
Erik Magnuson: DPR: "In a way, this isn't entirely the camera's fault ..."
What an odd statement. Does this mean it's the user's fault? Or that perhaps it's an "act of God"?
DPR: "... it's not some kind of mechanical malfunction that actively causes blurring"
Continuing oddity: Does this mean DPR thinks the blurring is from "passive" causes? Or that it's working as designed and so not a malfunction?
It's certainly the camera's fault and it's certainly a design flaw. It may be either significant or insignificant depending on workarounds and type of shooting. Some additional shots showing what the visible difference is when using the rear LCD or a tripod would have been more useful than these odd statements which appear intended more to palliate brand zealots than refine the issue.
yeah, right, olympus released their top pen model with a faulty IBIS system...
Dimit: Disregard the blur issue for a moment....this camera won't sell! It needs a good,A REALLY GOOD pricedrop.It's an OK stuff but not for this price.As far as the e-shutter is concerned,I think it'a a matter of time to be established ,common sense...
just because of you guys, i will buy one.
Stupidco: Your report states 'mounting a camera on a tripod significantly counteracts shake'. It would follow that nothing within the camera causes shake. The shake must result from the interaction between the operator and the user. It might arise from the use of the camera without a viewfinder: holding the camera at arms length in tourist fashion. It might arise from personal bodily tremors beyond parameters recognized by the camera. It might arise from attempts to defeat the stabilization function. It might arise from inappropriate camera settings. Maybe the technology is underdeveloped. Maybe camera manufacturers are trying too hard, or promising too much. Or maybe some camera users don't really like photography.
wowow, you see ghost my friend.
maybe DPR is biased, maybe not. at least they had the issue (monday model or not, who knows?) and stated it. that's a good thing. IMO they could have tested another p5 to check for consistency
but "sabotage mode"? dude, relax!
Karroly: For those who find the E-P5 too expensive, its cost is "double" the cost of the E-PL5 because it takes double pictures...
is a feature, not a bug
RichRMA: Unless you bought this thing solely to mount a pancake lens and pocket it, it serves no purpose not done far better by the E-M5 or the M1. No EVF in a camera with its cost and sophistication is ridiculous. By that I mean buying it is ridiculous.
cameras for people. if you don't like the pen, then it's not for you. no one forces you to buy one.
dude, this attitude... i don't like fast sport cars. do i tell people, not to buy them?
chillgreg: Soooo, 78 for this stinkbomb, yet 79 for the unequalled RX100MII...
Yeah yeah, I know, I know. Apples, oranges, opinions and disclaimers, yada...
But Mom and Pop buy this and wonder why their precious photos of their grandchildren are spoiled. Yet their son buys the tiny Sony and the results awe everyone.
Perhaps it's time for DPR to take a long look into the mirror and ask why a more objective and less subjective scoring scale should not be introduced.
Now it DPR wasn't funded by advertising and commissions. it could be as subjective as it wants. The current model is deeply flawed, despite the best efforts of many decent, credible people to make it work.
As it stands, the credibility of test results is being questioned more often than not.
Perhaps 78 is the right score for this particular camera. But perhaps a final numerical score should be withheld, until the manufacturer addresses potential flaws.
besides, why did Mom and Pop not buy the RX100 II?
maybe they got a faulty model...i laughed very hard when i red: "problem that risks ruining images taken around 1/80 - 1/200th of a second"WTH is wrong with you people? IF a camera produces unsharp images ABOVE 1/80th of a second, it is broken!