Priaptor: This is what the iPhone 5 should have been
Which mobile operating system is this Windows Mobile 7 you are talking about?
I was running Windows Phone 7 on my old phone and have no idea that there was a Windows Mobile 7 line to. As you are such an expert in Windows phones and which kind of features they have or have not I would very much appreciate an educated answer!
Also in Windows Phone there have never been widgets, as those require a separate download. Windows Phone has Live tiles which are built in to (almost) every Windows Phone App existing. So please explain also about theese widgets that this elusive Windows Mobile 7 had.
So still no love for the best cameraphone in the World... Nokia Lumia 920.Some time ago DPR gave me the impression you werer working on it, but apparently reviewing the best cameraphone is not in your interest?
Prestidigitator: There is nothing new with this crApple iFruitcake. The iFan-gheys would still buy it regardless. For true innovation just take a look at the Lumia 920 and PureView 808.
What are you smooking?
What lack of Apps?? Is 110.000 apps not enough?? How many do you need on your phone?
Real working mapsFree Music streamingBest cameraNFCSuper touchNice colors!!Free GPS with downloadable maps
the list goes on....
CollBaxter: I have be disappointed with my last 2 nokia phones. The N900 which had a great camera but lousy everything else. And now the Lumia 800 which has great hardware and a buggy OS and a real lousy camera. Also no windows 8 support which we were led to believe was a possibility only to be told by Microsoft no go.
I do not believe a word Nokia says any more as each "top of the range" phones have gone backwards.
"Mango does not support phone tethering ( Use Phone as Modem). No VPN connection , No remote desktop , and a degraded navigation system."
Wrong. This comment is sent from my laptop while it is thetered wirelessly to my Mango WP 7.5 phone. I use the app PC remote Pro to RDP to my Machines. And the navigation in Nokia Drive which is free is better than paid options on other phones.So its not as bad as you make it look
Sergey Borachev: Nokia keeps going down fast. The main reason is its choice of OS. First it stuck to Symbian for way too long, and then it made another mistake by switching to Windows, instead of Android. And now, it is sticking to Windows, and again failing to see its mistake for way too long.
I do admire its determination and perseverence, but unfortunately to the rest of the world, to the consumers, that is called stubborness. People want Android, if not Apple iOS. And Android is picking up and taking more and more from Apple all the time.
What a waste of the fine hardware and build quality and other innovation!
"People want Android, if not Apple iOS."
That, sir, is a complete lie!
My neighbours friends saw my wifes White Lumia 800. They just loved the look and feel of it. Just by holding it they went and bought one themself. Get real here. Ordinary people know about iPhone, Sony, Nokia, HTC as brands. They dont have the faintest idea what kind of OS they run. As long as the phone can make calls, show emails and access facebook ordinary people are content.
mm1975: Nokia is making a big mistake by betting on Windows and ignoring Android. This blinkered approach and high risk strategy is completely due its current CEO Stephen Elop who is an ex-Microsoft employee..
The best move they made was go WP8. Look at Sony. they just closed their plants in Sweden and kicked a lot of people. Android didn't help them why should it help Nokia?
Thorbard: Whats with all the Symbian hate? Its a good operating system for a phone that prioritises phone functions over "apps" and whatever else.
Windows Mobile is a horrible operating system and everyone I know that uses it wants to get rid of it as soon as possible.
I'm very glad that with Nokia adopting winmo a decision was made to keep the Symbian operating system in some devices. Without it, I'd go elsewhere.
"Windows Phone 8 is actually based on the Windows NT kernel, meaning WP7 is more closely related to Windows Mobile than it is to WP8."
Could you please explain in what way?
Which kernel it runs on does not affect the user interface. NT kernel only gives programmers more features to use, and makes porting from windows 8 a lot easier. But the user interface is the same.
bloodfire1004: Everyone, please see this video!
Lumia 920 Challenge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFhhBJ1URCg
Is it using illumination combined with slow exposure time to get the image? Please confirm in the comments section of the video.
No it did not use flash! The flash only lit up to get a god measure of the distance for focus, thats all!. In the video you can clearly se when the Picture is taken (after the two flash illuminations) and at that Point the flash was not used.
Greg Henry: A bit disappointed: The whole point of the "original" PureView is that you could do a good bit of zooming and still get a nice shot out of it while maintaining good detail. This version of ProView isn't going to allow for that at all - really, they're just promoting it's lower light capabilities, which is ok, but nowhere near what was expected by some.
Image stabilization is fine, but the micro-springs they claim are being used for the lens system? Considering how often some people drop their cell phones, I wonder how long those things will last before breaking?
I have high hopes for the Windows OS. I've played with a Win phone recently and in all honestly, they are nice to use. Smooth screen flow, and very intuitive, with very good voice recognition accuracy. The only true barrier in their way are the lack of "non-major" apps. You can find all of the major apps, but if you want your local news station app for example, most likely it's not available yet. Maybe in time.
"The whole point of the "original" PureView is that you could do a good bit of zooming and still get a nice shot out of it while maintaining good detail."
Are you working on Nokia? Because they never said that. Just a couple of Days ago they twittered that Pureview is about using multiple technologies to get the best possible Pictures. But I guess you know better. Could you please give us a link to Nokia which agrees with your statement?
Earthlight: So much for "pure view" then...
Yeah.. Pureview must mean ... really crappy Pictures... right?
Next time get the facts Before you complain. If Pureview means this kind of quality then this is a brand I will look for in my next phone!
gl2k: Nokia ... RIP. Too little too late.It took Nokia years to understand how the smartphone market works. It's all about apps.
You do know that Apple (or more precisely Steve Jobs) said during the first iPhone release in 2007 that Apps were not necessary and that web pages would be enough :-)
No one knew how big deal apps would make for mobile phones. Nokia was late but so was everybody else to.
Now the current status of the Microsoft Marketplace is 110.000 apps and steady rising. All major apps is available for Windows Phone devices. So I don't think its to late for Nokia, not at all. especially as Windows Phone 8 will be able to run all windows 8 apps if the developers choose to compile for both platforms.
Gadgety: Thank you for this review. I've been waiting for dpreview to make a proper test, and it's been well worth the wait. Pureview is so impressive I know it is highly likely to make me choose a WindowsPhone provided they can make it perform as well on that platform, and not limit the sensor to 20mp as has been suggested elsewhere.
Where have they suggested a 20mp limit? I read a lot about WP but you are the first one I se telling about this limit.
BrunoH: Great review. I will definitely be getting a new Windows Phone 8 with Nokia Pureview built in as soon as it ships. Nokia will reveal their Autumn line up September 5th. cant wait...
One comment though. You wrote:
"In use, the 808 PureView behaves much like a conventional cameraphone, purely because of its form factor. If you're used to a phone like Apple's iPhone 4S, or any recent high-end Android offering, you won't have any difficulty adjusting to the 808.
A dedicated focus/shutter button on the left side of the phone acts as a shortcut to activate the camera app even when the phone is sleeping. A 'hard' press is required to open the app and wake the phone - a quick or light press will be ignored, preventing accidental operation of the camera."
I understand that a lot of you have not ever seen a Windows Phone, as a dedicated photo button like the one described above is mandatory on that platform. You should really take a hard long look at the upcoming Windows Phone 8 devices.
Since the SDK for Windows Phone 8 leaked a week ago a lot of information has been revealed. But nowhere have I seen a 20mp limit. Can you give a reference to that info?
I don't care if the Lumia Pureview phone is not the exact 808 model. All I care is that it gives me the best picture quality possible. Lets se what Nokia have to show by September 5th...
Reg Natarajan: I love the images, but I need Android. Hopefully Samsung and Sony will step up.
True. apps have been coming slower to WP7 although they are coming. But apps will be very easily ported between Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. So do all these companies making iOS apps just ignore the whole Windows market? I don't think so. they will make apps for Windows 8, and then porting to Windows Phone 8 is just a setting in the compiler - easy done. My guess is that the synergy with Windows 8 will push Windows Phone 8 forward a lot.
and one more thing...
Pen support is built in to Windows 8 tablets. Which could be shipped in any size hardware makers want. So for pen input and bigger screens than a phone, there will probably be some options this holiday season.
So 110.000 apps (and counting) is not god enough :-)
And don't forget that Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 will have the same runtime, which means that Windows 8 apps will be easily ported to Windows Phone 8. I am not missing any major apps on my Windows Phone, actually there are far more apps than I ever care to look at :-)
Don't worry. Everything you mentioned (and lots more) are in the new Windows Phone 8 OS. Look at the new Nokia phones coming this fall and I think you will not be disappointed, especially if they got pureview built in! :-)
gl2k: * Nice backup cam for the D800 ... LOL* Unfortunately the only smartphones sold are iPhone and Android models.* Selling a smartphone with an already dead OS is not the best idea
All those features are to be included in Windows Phone 8. And some are already in Windows Phone 7.5.
Symbian is a dead end at this point. Windows Phone 8 (with its tie-ins to Windows 8 and the next Xbox) is the future.
Great review. I will definitely be getting a new Windows Phone 8 with Nokia Pureview built in as soon as it ships. Nokia will reveal their Autumn line up September 5th. cant wait...
Why do you "need" Android? What does it do that Windows Phone can not?
"Unfortunately the only smartphones sold are iPhone and Android models."
Not so. Nokia has doubled their Windows Phone sales for three quarters in a row now. Although small marketshare, Windows Phone is superior to both Android and iPhone in many regards.