"Some third-party camera apps and many Android phones have therefore been allowing separate control of exposure and focus for quite some time. "
Why do you insist on comparing with Android? Almost all Android phones have crap cameras.
The natural thing would be to compare to the best phonecameras on the market - Nokia Lumia 9xx and 1xxx series. Dont you think so?
And by the way. Nokia phones have of course had these options on all their phones!
"We've seen similar functionality before from Google"
Dont forget that Windows Phone also have been supporting full reolution photo and video uploading/syncing since 2010!
tkbslc: I was hoping to read about SOME exposure control options. At the very least exposure comp or manual ISO, since I'm sure full manual controls will never happen.
You are looking for a real cameraphone - like Nokia Lumia 1020, 930/Icon, 1520.
Apple makes good phones, but are way behind in camera Tech!
nicolaiecostel: Well, they can shove that no-SD card policy up their anus. I use an N9 with 16Gb storage, that's more like 9Gb user useable storage and it's always full.
I'm not falling for that again !
Some people here think that the cloud will eat up your bandwith,..
Obviously you have not used a Windows Phone! On my Lumia i configured it to upload full quality photo and video to the cloud. That option also disables uploading over 3G/4G and only uploads when connected to WiFi.
So I use the cloud as storage and it does not use a bit of my allowed bandwith!
joe6pack: 16GB 5S at £549 with the latest technology vs 16GB 5C at £469 with yesteryear technology. It is pretty clear people will choose 5S over 5C.
Cutting the price on 5C by £30 but take away half of the non-expandable storage is hardly a discount.
Actually 5S is only containing latest "Apple" technology!
Kudos to the fingerprint scanner - but where are...
* Super touch (use phone with gloves)* OIS* Wireless charging* NFC* support for SD cards* Free Music service without ads* Free downloadable maps for offline use* Normal sized screens - at least 4,5"* Information at a glance - live lock screen and start screen* Ability to se phone storage on computer via USB without special software* Miracast support
... and the list goes on - all above is technology that debuted last year. Apple still sell phones with only basic features and overcharge for it...
Alphoid: I wish the Nokia phones would dual-boot Android and Windows Phone. I'd totally buy one of these models if I wasn't taking a risk on Windows but had a choice.
Alternatively, I wish some Android manufacturer would release a reasonable competitor.
It's funny. It seems like Nokia is hampered by Windows (since otherwise, almost all photographers would buy Nokia), and Windows is hampered by Nokia (who doesn't make the best hardware otherwise). If Microsoft had a strategy of choice on all handsets, it would work better for all involved.
Heck, if I got an Android+Windows phone, I'd at least try Windows. If Windows was better (and I've never used it, so aside from knowing how badly Windows sucks elsewhere, I have no idea), I'd switch to Windows.
"Android OS is the most complete system out there and actually is more customizable than the rest."
Do you really understand the difference between widgets and Live Tiles?
A family member wanted a smartphone and asked for the simplest one. She basically just wanted to speed dial her friends to start with...
On Windows Phone it was just a matter of uninstalling all the apps from the mobile operator (do that on Android!), then removing all live tiles from the start screen. Then we pinned her 10 favorite contacts to the start screen and finanlly added a manual Phone tile at the top. Presto, speed dial with built in functionality in seconds without downloading any apps.She quickly learned then that the "magical" pinning button in all apps could create livet tiles from any info you have on your screen. Now she pins map locations, favorite songs and friends instagram feeds to her start screen. Again without need for downloading any extra widget apps...
Sergey Borachev: Who cares?
It's got the wrong OS. Proprietary stuff and little apps, no way! The greatest camera is no use. Software first.
So Lumia got an OS where you can remove all and every proprietary app installed from the ISP and manufacturer - whitout needing to root the Phone!!
And it got an API where apps can reach the camera hardware...
How is this wrong OS?
Talking of apps, didn't you hear?... Windows Phone got Instagram... App problem solved ... :-)
Artistico: I wonder when Nokia will realise that they have to go Android to get more sales, though. The main reason they are losing market shares is first hanging onto the archaic Symbian platform and then going Windows Mobile at a time when all the other major players were under the Android umbrella or iOS. Result: No one bothers making apps for Windows Mobile because the market is too small to be worth the effort. In this day and age, it doesn't matter how good your phone's camera is if you cannot get the apps you are used to on your new phone.
I'd be happy to get a Nokia again, as I really like their cameras and having one would be like bringing a cheapish compact everywhere - but only if they switch to Android. Otherwise it's too much of a compromise for me, and for many others.
" The main reason they are losing market shares is "
Stop right there. You have already derailed...
Nokia Lumia devices are not losing market share. Actually they are the most growing devices on the market YoY. Please get your facts right, then do the ranting...http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24442013
156% growth YoY is quite good. Add to that the EU market where Windows Phone right now is passing the 10% marketshare and even beating iPhone in several markets, including Italy!
Still a long way to go, but absolutley not losing in any way!
fuego6: Oh Nokia.. windows 8 was truly the killer for ya.. if only Android.. you would be #1 phone!
The overdue trusting in that people would prefere Symbian phones over iOS was the killer for Nokia. The ship was already sinking when they choose to switch to Windows Phone.
If Nokia would have gone Android... They would have been as dead in the waters as Ericsson was. Remember them? Big Swedish quality phone maker who also hang on to Symbian for to long! Now Sony have bought them!
dark goob: I guess you guys couldn't get your hands on a 5S. It would be nice to see a more unbiased comparison. Many of us are satisfied with 8MP for a phone. The speed of rapid-fire and length of bursts on the 5S is really nice. I'm not sure I could live with a 4-second shot recovery time like on the Nokia.
If you cant stand the 4-second wait then please use any of the other 200 Phone apps available for Windows Phone which takes Pictures with much higher speed. Try to uses Nokias Smart cam app - 10Pics/sec!
jcmarfilph: So why no iPhone 5s? It would have been nice to see it being stomped by these cameras.
And FWIW, the nokia night shot is obviously blurry so to include it in the comparison is useless. ISOs should have been fixed to one value for a fair comparison.
You sound desperate to find something to defend the iPhone 5s with. And when you finally found the slow performance of the Nokia Pro camera app you thought you got it... :-) fail!
You should read up... WP has the option of changing camera apps from within the camera. That means that if speed is your most important feature then please use the smart camre app (10 frames/sec) or the built in stock camera app in WP8. Both which give you much better speed than the Nokia Pro app!
As for the apps... It's getting old to hear how WP8 has no apps. Its just not true! Apps on WP are smarter! Example:
Instagram has no officiall app for WP8 yet... but we have a ton of third party alternatives. The best one called 6tag, lets you pin your favorite persons Instagram feeds to live tiles on the front! No need to open Instagram to se the latest Pictures from your best friends - their Pictures appear live on your starta screen in Live Tiles. Hows that for an " crappy Windows OS Phone"? :-)
makofoto: ?! Where's the iPhone 5s
All Nokia phones have a camera app built in called smart Camera. This app on the high end Lumias captures Pictures att 10pic/sec also. So iPhone 5s is again just copying the rest...
CyberAngel: 3840x2160 = UHD is enough for pictures = 8.3 MpxYes, the sensor could be 1/2.3"
Optical Image stabilization is new technow Apple looks old :-(LG G2 and HTC One has OIS already and more is coming..
Pro Camera software in the Lumia 1020 with manual controls and real-time feedback is something that Apple should do.
When we lost Jobs - we lost the innovation :-(Have to wait another year to see if Apple can catch up on anything...
Good luck on the waiting...
Meanwhile Nokia releases new phones every second month now. And Android releases new phones every second week!
iPhone just have no chance of getting back in the Tech race if they keep on releasing phones once a year...
HarrieD7000: Apple never asked a costumer what they should put in a phone. It is still the most sold phone when looking for the model. And that is for each and every model from Apple. I don't think an other camera will change that. And within one month we can see what the new iPhone does in sales figures. We can see if there is an other phone model with all the called specs, that even comes close to this figures.
Yeah, People in New York already the day Before the announcement lined up to get the new whateverPhone... :-)
Realise that many buy iPhone becuse its a safe bet. It works and you get a lots of apps. Apple just need to change colors on the Phones every year now and raise the modelnumber (iPhone6, Iphone 7...) and it will sell.
Wheter that makes it the best Phone... is a completely different matter :-)
JConrad: You can look at all the marketing speak around 'ultra-pixels' and the like, but aside from the Lumia 1020's PureView (which is really excellent), and maybe the Xperia Z1 (barely), none of the newer hardware, on either the Android side or Windows Phone side are actually better than the iPhone 5's camera.
Rumors are pointing to an f/2.0 lens, so that'll be nice...I'd like to see a slightly larger sensor and a little more robust camera app. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with the 5's camera. I don't use it for serious photography, but it's nice in a pinch when I just need a snapshot.
I beg to disagree!
After taking a lot of shots with my Lumia 920 alongside friends with iPhone5, there is no way that it can compare! Both tak day shots ok, but the important night shots out with friends and partying make a World of difference. When people compare my shots to the friends iPhone5 shots in the bar - everyone starts asking about the Phone with the great camera - and they are not talking about the iPhone! :-)
Puddleglum: Please no more megapixels. Bigger files with no real world value.
So the "zoom" feature in Lumia 1020 has no real value... :-)
Strange becuase when you show that to ordinary people they find it very valuable and want to go buy the Phone with 41 Mpixel!
nellydesign: I wish I could open the camera from the lock screen, take a picture, and then send it to someone without having to go back to the home screen and open photos. If you go to the camera app from the home screen this can be done, but not from the lock screen.
You know that you just described how it works on a Windows Phone... right?
Really, if you are serious about photos... its time to leave Apples Instagram cameras behind and get a great mobile camera from Nokia!
techmine: At $299 this is the costliest phone on the market. 2 humps - price and wm8. Surely it will be 199 or lower soon. Why not lure everyone from the beginning? I like the camera but can't dare to go back to Windows mobile again. Happy with android and galaxy cameras.
And with this statement:
"WM or WP, It's the same garbage."
you have clearly disqualified yourself from any comments regarding Microsoft products!Can you please explain how a phone running Windows Mobile on Windows CE as the kernel is the same as a phone running Windows Phone on a Windows 8 kernel?
It's not even close… :-)
Anepo: Oh god WHY nokia WHY?!Do you want to become a PROFITABLE big player again? Release Android run cellphones and release phones with a camera like the 808 had and built in REAL flash NOT a "led flash" (led is NOT a flash you stupid manufacturers, talking to EVERY manufacturer)For an AFFORDABLE price by affordable I mean between the Samsung Galaxy II mini & the galaxy S2.
It does NOT need to be 40 megapixels but it DOES have to have the same NOISE performance/low light performance and Image quality/sharpness.
I would switch so freaking fast to Nokia and so would MILLIONS
Actually... Millions are already switching to Nokia phones (http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2013/04/25/heres-how-microsoft-plans-on-expanding-its-device-and-os-business/) ... Seems like the regular Joe out there does not really care for what OS the phone is runnig, as long as it has the major apps and is priced right...
The new Lumia 928 will have Xenon and LED flash so thats one issue less for you. Regarding low light peformance... what more can you ask for. Lumia 920 is alreade heads and shoulders above Everything else - including the latest HTC One and Galaxy S4 phones!
can you back up that statement with proof? The latest earinings reports showed that Nokia is paying back Mirosoft (for WP licensing) as much as they are getting nowadays.