Artistico: I wonder when Nokia will realise that they have to go Android to get more sales, though. The main reason they are losing market shares is first hanging onto the archaic Symbian platform and then going Windows Mobile at a time when all the other major players were under the Android umbrella or iOS. Result: No one bothers making apps for Windows Mobile because the market is too small to be worth the effort. In this day and age, it doesn't matter how good your phone's camera is if you cannot get the apps you are used to on your new phone.
I'd be happy to get a Nokia again, as I really like their cameras and having one would be like bringing a cheapish compact everywhere - but only if they switch to Android. Otherwise it's too much of a compromise for me, and for many others.
" The main reason they are losing market shares is "
Stop right there. You have already derailed...
Nokia Lumia devices are not losing market share. Actually they are the most growing devices on the market YoY. Please get your facts right, then do the ranting...http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24442013
156% growth YoY is quite good. Add to that the EU market where Windows Phone right now is passing the 10% marketshare and even beating iPhone in several markets, including Italy!
Still a long way to go, but absolutley not losing in any way!
fuego6: Oh Nokia.. windows 8 was truly the killer for ya.. if only Android.. you would be #1 phone!
The overdue trusting in that people would prefere Symbian phones over iOS was the killer for Nokia. The ship was already sinking when they choose to switch to Windows Phone.
If Nokia would have gone Android... They would have been as dead in the waters as Ericsson was. Remember them? Big Swedish quality phone maker who also hang on to Symbian for to long! Now Sony have bought them!
dark goob: I guess you guys couldn't get your hands on a 5S. It would be nice to see a more unbiased comparison. Many of us are satisfied with 8MP for a phone. The speed of rapid-fire and length of bursts on the 5S is really nice. I'm not sure I could live with a 4-second shot recovery time like on the Nokia.
If you cant stand the 4-second wait then please use any of the other 200 Phone apps available for Windows Phone which takes Pictures with much higher speed. Try to uses Nokias Smart cam app - 10Pics/sec!
jcmarfilph: So why no iPhone 5s? It would have been nice to see it being stomped by these cameras.
And FWIW, the nokia night shot is obviously blurry so to include it in the comparison is useless. ISOs should have been fixed to one value for a fair comparison.
You sound desperate to find something to defend the iPhone 5s with. And when you finally found the slow performance of the Nokia Pro camera app you thought you got it... :-) fail!
You should read up... WP has the option of changing camera apps from within the camera. That means that if speed is your most important feature then please use the smart camre app (10 frames/sec) or the built in stock camera app in WP8. Both which give you much better speed than the Nokia Pro app!
As for the apps... It's getting old to hear how WP8 has no apps. Its just not true! Apps on WP are smarter! Example:
Instagram has no officiall app for WP8 yet... but we have a ton of third party alternatives. The best one called 6tag, lets you pin your favorite persons Instagram feeds to live tiles on the front! No need to open Instagram to se the latest Pictures from your best friends - their Pictures appear live on your starta screen in Live Tiles. Hows that for an " crappy Windows OS Phone"? :-)
makofoto: ?! Where's the iPhone 5s
All Nokia phones have a camera app built in called smart Camera. This app on the high end Lumias captures Pictures att 10pic/sec also. So iPhone 5s is again just copying the rest...
CyberAngel: 3840x2160 = UHD is enough for pictures = 8.3 MpxYes, the sensor could be 1/2.3"
Optical Image stabilization is new technow Apple looks old :-(LG G2 and HTC One has OIS already and more is coming..
Pro Camera software in the Lumia 1020 with manual controls and real-time feedback is something that Apple should do.
When we lost Jobs - we lost the innovation :-(Have to wait another year to see if Apple can catch up on anything...
Good luck on the waiting...
Meanwhile Nokia releases new phones every second month now. And Android releases new phones every second week!
iPhone just have no chance of getting back in the Tech race if they keep on releasing phones once a year...
HarrieD7000: Apple never asked a costumer what they should put in a phone. It is still the most sold phone when looking for the model. And that is for each and every model from Apple. I don't think an other camera will change that. And within one month we can see what the new iPhone does in sales figures. We can see if there is an other phone model with all the called specs, that even comes close to this figures.
Yeah, People in New York already the day Before the announcement lined up to get the new whateverPhone... :-)
Realise that many buy iPhone becuse its a safe bet. It works and you get a lots of apps. Apple just need to change colors on the Phones every year now and raise the modelnumber (iPhone6, Iphone 7...) and it will sell.
Wheter that makes it the best Phone... is a completely different matter :-)
JConrad: You can look at all the marketing speak around 'ultra-pixels' and the like, but aside from the Lumia 1020's PureView (which is really excellent), and maybe the Xperia Z1 (barely), none of the newer hardware, on either the Android side or Windows Phone side are actually better than the iPhone 5's camera.
Rumors are pointing to an f/2.0 lens, so that'll be nice...I'd like to see a slightly larger sensor and a little more robust camera app. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with the 5's camera. I don't use it for serious photography, but it's nice in a pinch when I just need a snapshot.
I beg to disagree!
After taking a lot of shots with my Lumia 920 alongside friends with iPhone5, there is no way that it can compare! Both tak day shots ok, but the important night shots out with friends and partying make a World of difference. When people compare my shots to the friends iPhone5 shots in the bar - everyone starts asking about the Phone with the great camera - and they are not talking about the iPhone! :-)
Puddleglum: Please no more megapixels. Bigger files with no real world value.
So the "zoom" feature in Lumia 1020 has no real value... :-)
Strange becuase when you show that to ordinary people they find it very valuable and want to go buy the Phone with 41 Mpixel!
nellydesign: I wish I could open the camera from the lock screen, take a picture, and then send it to someone without having to go back to the home screen and open photos. If you go to the camera app from the home screen this can be done, but not from the lock screen.
You know that you just described how it works on a Windows Phone... right?
Really, if you are serious about photos... its time to leave Apples Instagram cameras behind and get a great mobile camera from Nokia!
techmine: At $299 this is the costliest phone on the market. 2 humps - price and wm8. Surely it will be 199 or lower soon. Why not lure everyone from the beginning? I like the camera but can't dare to go back to Windows mobile again. Happy with android and galaxy cameras.
And with this statement:
"WM or WP, It's the same garbage."
you have clearly disqualified yourself from any comments regarding Microsoft products!Can you please explain how a phone running Windows Mobile on Windows CE as the kernel is the same as a phone running Windows Phone on a Windows 8 kernel?
It's not even close… :-)
Anepo: Oh god WHY nokia WHY?!Do you want to become a PROFITABLE big player again? Release Android run cellphones and release phones with a camera like the 808 had and built in REAL flash NOT a "led flash" (led is NOT a flash you stupid manufacturers, talking to EVERY manufacturer)For an AFFORDABLE price by affordable I mean between the Samsung Galaxy II mini & the galaxy S2.
It does NOT need to be 40 megapixels but it DOES have to have the same NOISE performance/low light performance and Image quality/sharpness.
I would switch so freaking fast to Nokia and so would MILLIONS
Actually... Millions are already switching to Nokia phones (http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2013/04/25/heres-how-microsoft-plans-on-expanding-its-device-and-os-business/) ... Seems like the regular Joe out there does not really care for what OS the phone is runnig, as long as it has the major apps and is priced right...
The new Lumia 928 will have Xenon and LED flash so thats one issue less for you. Regarding low light peformance... what more can you ask for. Lumia 920 is alreade heads and shoulders above Everything else - including the latest HTC One and Galaxy S4 phones!
can you back up that statement with proof? The latest earinings reports showed that Nokia is paying back Mirosoft (for WP licensing) as much as they are getting nowadays.
Priaptor: This is what the iPhone 5 should have been
Which mobile operating system is this Windows Mobile 7 you are talking about?
I was running Windows Phone 7 on my old phone and have no idea that there was a Windows Mobile 7 line to. As you are such an expert in Windows phones and which kind of features they have or have not I would very much appreciate an educated answer!
Also in Windows Phone there have never been widgets, as those require a separate download. Windows Phone has Live tiles which are built in to (almost) every Windows Phone App existing. So please explain also about theese widgets that this elusive Windows Mobile 7 had.
So still no love for the best cameraphone in the World... Nokia Lumia 920.Some time ago DPR gave me the impression you werer working on it, but apparently reviewing the best cameraphone is not in your interest?
Prestidigitator: There is nothing new with this crApple iFruitcake. The iFan-gheys would still buy it regardless. For true innovation just take a look at the Lumia 920 and PureView 808.
What are you smooking?
What lack of Apps?? Is 110.000 apps not enough?? How many do you need on your phone?
Real working mapsFree Music streamingBest cameraNFCSuper touchNice colors!!Free GPS with downloadable maps
the list goes on....
CollBaxter: I have be disappointed with my last 2 nokia phones. The N900 which had a great camera but lousy everything else. And now the Lumia 800 which has great hardware and a buggy OS and a real lousy camera. Also no windows 8 support which we were led to believe was a possibility only to be told by Microsoft no go.
I do not believe a word Nokia says any more as each "top of the range" phones have gone backwards.
"Mango does not support phone tethering ( Use Phone as Modem). No VPN connection , No remote desktop , and a degraded navigation system."
Wrong. This comment is sent from my laptop while it is thetered wirelessly to my Mango WP 7.5 phone. I use the app PC remote Pro to RDP to my Machines. And the navigation in Nokia Drive which is free is better than paid options on other phones.So its not as bad as you make it look
Sergey Borachev: Nokia keeps going down fast. The main reason is its choice of OS. First it stuck to Symbian for way too long, and then it made another mistake by switching to Windows, instead of Android. And now, it is sticking to Windows, and again failing to see its mistake for way too long.
I do admire its determination and perseverence, but unfortunately to the rest of the world, to the consumers, that is called stubborness. People want Android, if not Apple iOS. And Android is picking up and taking more and more from Apple all the time.
What a waste of the fine hardware and build quality and other innovation!
"People want Android, if not Apple iOS."
That, sir, is a complete lie!
My neighbours friends saw my wifes White Lumia 800. They just loved the look and feel of it. Just by holding it they went and bought one themself. Get real here. Ordinary people know about iPhone, Sony, Nokia, HTC as brands. They dont have the faintest idea what kind of OS they run. As long as the phone can make calls, show emails and access facebook ordinary people are content.
mm1975: Nokia is making a big mistake by betting on Windows and ignoring Android. This blinkered approach and high risk strategy is completely due its current CEO Stephen Elop who is an ex-Microsoft employee..
The best move they made was go WP8. Look at Sony. they just closed their plants in Sweden and kicked a lot of people. Android didn't help them why should it help Nokia?
Thorbard: Whats with all the Symbian hate? Its a good operating system for a phone that prioritises phone functions over "apps" and whatever else.
Windows Mobile is a horrible operating system and everyone I know that uses it wants to get rid of it as soon as possible.
I'm very glad that with Nokia adopting winmo a decision was made to keep the Symbian operating system in some devices. Without it, I'd go elsewhere.
"Windows Phone 8 is actually based on the Windows NT kernel, meaning WP7 is more closely related to Windows Mobile than it is to WP8."
Could you please explain in what way?
Which kernel it runs on does not affect the user interface. NT kernel only gives programmers more features to use, and makes porting from windows 8 a lot easier. But the user interface is the same.