Najinsky: I don't get the negative reactions to the poll. Are people assuming they're on the Panel of CIPA and being asked to judge on behalf of the industry? What would be the point of that? Did they all send you a review copy?
This is a consumer site for camera buyers, they want to know which new Cameras hit the target. Who got it right. What worked for US.
If you want to pretend your on the CIPA panel then I guess you could try to vote for the best industry achievement, a hard vote in 2012, with nearly all manufacturers hitting a home run or two.
OM-D is not a superior imaging machine to the D800, 5D3, A99, etc. But for many peoples shooting objectives, the OM-D was a big (small) hit.
I left a superior machine 6,000 miles back at home this year, taking the OM-D instead. It was a scary decision, but in hindsight absolutely the right one. The OM-D hit a sweet spot of results and portability.
Why not vote what was a hit for YOU, and let others say what a hit for THEM. You know, like a poll.
Yes, leaving expensive equipment like a 5D2 and nice lenses at home is slightly irrational. It's a huge investment in assets to leave un-utilised.
But is it more rational to take 10KG of gear 6,000 miles to the other side of the world only to leave it unused 70-80% of the time?
I have extensive experience of the kind of situations I find myself in while travelling, and the tangible benefits a more compact set-up brings to those situations. It isn't a theoretical advantage, it's practical and real.
Were I a wedding, location or event shooter, I'd almost certainly be using my 5D2, or perhaps even considering an upgrade to the D800 or D4, which are clearly all fantastic cameras. But I'm not, I'm a traveller, often solo, and often imposed with severe space and weight constraints. So compact, light and capable are what ticks my boxes.
My boxes are only mine. Others may have similar boxes, others totally different. But there's room in the world, and here on DPR for all of us.
I don't get the negative reactions to the poll. Are people assuming they're on the Panel of CIPA and being asked to judge on behalf of the industry? What would be the point of that? Did they all send you a review copy?
J2Gphoto: I sold my DSLR when I read the review of the OMD. I voted for the OMD not because I bought one but because I had no desire to buy any of the other top camera's in this poll. They were never even in the running. Because the OMD did exactly what I wanted it to do. It never failed to amaze me and made shooting so much fun again. I took it on a trip to Indiana and shot a dolphin show at the Indianapolis zoo. The only telephoto I had was the kit 40-150. First thing I thought was I'll never get any good shots because of how dark it was. It nailed every shot focusing and even bumped up to ISO 6400 I walked away with a lot of keepers. The fact I can shoot nature with one lens mounted along with 2 other lenses, one in each pocket makes this the best camera in my opinion.
Chill out, it's just some friendly chit chat. You said "or even compete", a touch of negative spin don't you think?
I've made a mental note to try harder not to debate in bad faith, rather than try to do it better. Hope you don't mind me changing the spin on that too :-)
Najinsky: Poll within a poll
So now we can see how the result is trending, along with a ton of opinions about the poll itself, which gives us a good opportunity to critique this poll.
Please click like on the one of the following options that most closely matches you opinion of the poll:
It's not a concept I get myself, and it gets me in trouble! I bought GH2, EP1, NEX-5N, GF3, OM-D and RX100 in the last two years.
Of these, the only ones that could have got my vote (dates aside) were RX100 for innovation and the OM-D because it delivered so much of what I was looking for, and more than expected. (The NEX-5N was also very good, just let down by lens availability).
They all had good points and I've even recommend some (or their successors) to various types of shooters.
But I wouldn't fool myself into thinking one of them best just because I bought it. And I think most people share this basic common sense (and also, hopefully, a desire for a camera that works well for them) too.
Owner Loyalty comes both because we buy it AND because it works for us. I think it's a very good metric.
I think accusations of Fanboyism are far more widespread than fanboyism.
I received hate mail when I criticised the GH2, and get called fanboy for praising EM-5/RX100/5D/etc.
@IrkesomeAndy: Ok, I'll count that as a 5.5.
6. Najinsky, this is a blatant exercise to generate lots of likes, you saddo.
5. I have my own opinion that you couldn't possibly predict
4. A Pointless exercise generating pointless posts, yet here I am.
3. Would have been fairer/better if I could have voted for Camera xxx.
2. An interesting exercise but a flawed result due to owner loyalty.
1. An interesting exercise and the result reveals an interesting picture.
Poll within a poll
I'm not claiming professional broadcast quality, This is a user forum and I produce for me, friends, family and YouTube, hopefully without being sued for inducing motion sickness or terminal boredom.
It was a chance encounter while driving along the coast, and the EM-5 was well up to the job of making the most of it. The camera you have with you, etc.
When I was doing my professional stuff in my particular field (White house, Oil Companies, Banks, etc) I had a budget of whatever I needed (needed, not wanted) and support teams and staff, so I could do a professional job.
But for my hobby, my cameras come out of my own hobby budget, and I have to carry it all myself, no Assistants, no PA's, no Gofers. And I do it because it's my passion, not how I (primarily) earn a crust.
But I'm a bit surprised you couldn't produce professional content with M.4/3, when highly successful content has been produce by the bucket load using M.4/3 and even iPhone.
I'd persevere a little longer. I'm a 5D/5DmkII shooter with a lot of L glass and I had a lot of false starts with M4.3 (which made me, and others finding the same, quite unpopular in the M4.3 forum) but the OM-D and right lenses finally turned it around for me.
The 100-300 on the OM-D has given me surprisingly close results to the 100-400L on the 5D2. Considering it's 1/3 the price and 1/3 the weight, that's quite remarkable. I shot 6 hours of jet ski racing hand-held, and once I learned to compensate for the lag, I got some great shots. I'd have got about 2 hours playing the 100-400 trumpet, after which my arm would have been dead. It was a great subject for video too, so I shot about 30 minutes of video, and thanks to the IBIS, it's like no hand-held 200-600mm video I've seen before. I'd given up on video as it was a lot of effort to ensure stable focussed footage, but thanks to the OM-D I now flick into video from time to time, and get great footage to go with the great stills.
Najinsky: Android, yay.
This App requires access to the following:
Storage - modify/delete SD card contentsNetwork Communication – full internet accessSystem tools – Prevent camera from sleepingSystem tools – Modify global system settingsSystem tools – Write Access Point name settingsSystem tools – automatically start at bootHardware controls – take pictures
Just what every photographer want's to see when they 'boot' their camera.
Or how about:
- An update is available, would you like to install now or take pictures?- Google is down, can your subject wait?- Your google account is locked, camera is shutting down.- Your google credit is running low, top-up today and receive a 10% discount- Location server indicates photos not permitted in this location, camera is shutting down.- Using a slow 2GB class 4 card? Promotion today only 4GB class 6 only $5.- When you're done taking pictures why not print on HP premium glossy, only $0.99 for 20 sheets while stocks last.
Yes, of course, hasn't everyone?
The open source part is only the starting point. It then gets heavily modified by the manufacturer to play with all their proprietary stuff within the camera. You will only get to play with any of that if the manufacture decides to give you an API, otherwise you'll have to build it all yourself from scratch a'la Magic Lantern.
You may be excited by the techie possibilities, but it's commerce driving this adoption. Either the fact it's a free head start, or the ability to integrated value added services.
Either way, it all stems from the fact that Google bought it for $50,000,000 and then gave it away free. They did this not because they are Santa Clause, but because they know how to make lots of money from it in the longer game by knowing what you're doing and where and when you're doing it. It's not like they hide the fact, it's been stated many times, including when they bought Android Inc.
Interesting thing about DPR polls, the last one back in October was on the fate of the 'Likes/Dislike' voting: http://www.dpreview.com/polls
The option which came plumb last, was "Only allow positive feedback ('likes')" with 9% of the vote. That's the one they went with!
So I'm off to see if I can get a quick bet on for when the XZ-2 iHS is declared the winner!
Deleted pending purge: Many people still think that new, improved hardware will somehow make their pictures "better", while it will only make it easier for them to be "correct". That's why majority of good photographers (IMO) pay more attention to how well they know the camera they use, and do not stand in line to grab the newest model of the day.The photo industry is pretty much of a dog-eat-dog type: the manufacturers have to sell every day, but specs alone won't necessarily produce better images. Knowing how to use what one has, will.Anyway, it's an age-old question sprung at us again, and the only fair answer to "what is better" still depends upon the picture-taking purpose. Whatever sensational camera came to the shelves in 2012, in the spring of 2013 it will be surpassed by something "better" - at least in the ads, tech specs, new terminology, and some new useless program mode.As always, all good pics will be 90% autor and 10% hardware. This will never change.
Every age has its day. Some classic Olympic shots will continue to be great shots forever. But they will be B&W and/or very grainy forever, because that's what the tech of the day could capture. Do you think if given the choice, the photographer wouldn't have jumped at the chance to have gotten higher resolution colour?
Imagine if we were still shooting film. And film technology had advanced to allow ASA 3200 to produce high resolution shots with clean accurate colour. Would you be criticising photographers for buying this new fangled film, claiming you used to make do with black and white and ASA 800 in your day?
The problem with digital cameras is the film is locked into the body. You assume people are buying the new cameras for the bells and whistles, when many are simply looking for better film they can put behind good glass in a reliable body.
Who? Name names accuser!
Why do so many people (eg, you) like to state tired cliches and seem to think you can cover the Olympics with a pinhole camera and glass plates.
Of course it goes without saying a photographer needs photography skills, but they also need a camera.
And the more they understand their shooting style and situations, the more discerning they get and so put more effort and thought into choosing their equipment.
I'm not sure how to vote.
The OM-D has hands down been my camera of the year. It allowed me to lose the the heft and inconvenience of my FF gear which means it has seen near constant use. Wow, a camera I still use! Great lenses like the PL 25/1.4 or Oly 75/1.8 and the excellent sensor means IQ sacrifice is rarely noticed. And the amazing IBIS is so well done.
With a robust build it handled the roughs of daily use without skipping a beat, unlike my GH2, NEX-5 and X100 which all faltered in use in harsher environments. So the OM-D is my obvious easy choice.
But I do recognise the great achievements of Nikon and Sony with the D800, D600, RX1 and RX100. All having highly desirable USPs and well built. Kudos due.
Yet it's Canon's 6D that really has me thinking. Paired with a new 24-70/4L it sheds substantial heft from FF shooting and is priced so I won't mind leaving it home when it's the OM-D's turn. And some useful new features too.
Oh wait 6D isn't on the list. That makes it easier!