Turning 180° from my previous post, I try to imagine the SA Mount choice from the point of view that it makes perfect sense. Maybe the view from here will shed some light.
Aren't the competitions native lens ranges nearly complete now? For both hobby and pro?
Has Sigma's reign as King of the gap-fillers come to an end? Or more accurately, what gaps remain?
And is it just coincidence, or impeccable timing, this synchronicity with the transformation from low budget alternative to better value choice?
Could it actually be there is someone smart inside Sigma, who saw the writing on the wall and set forth an audacious new Global Vision?
Was sending in those 30/1.4 doppelgängers to the enemy camps really a cunning ploy to plunder their frenemies revenue, induce complacency and steal their souls? Could the mount exchange program be the repatriation?
And of Foveon, the most prized of assets. Could this be the sneaky black hole that relentlessly rips into the GAS giants?
Nah. Surely not.
Najinsky: DPR please put one of your Have Your Say Polls together, along the lines of:
Would you buy the Sigma sd Quatro/H if you could mount your existing lenses on it?
With choices for:
Yes, my Canon EF/EF-SYes, my Nikkor FX/DXYes, my Sony A/FE/EYes, my Sigma SAetc.
I've owned virtually all common SLR/ILC brands, so have spent time in each brand forum and believe the respect for the Foveon sensor technology at low ISO is near universal across all brand shooters.
And most would love to give Foveon a try.
In general, photographers are much more concerned about their lens investments that the current body they happen to be using.
Ask someone who already bought the 18-35 F/1.8 DC Art for their Canikon to buy the exact same lens again in addition to the Foveon body, and the chances are slim. But sell them a Foven body they can use that lens on and many would have your arm off.
I'm thinking a generic high precision mount, and specific high precision locking adapters for different mounts.
I don't have a problem to solve, Just curious to know how many bodies Sigma could sell based on the the mount choice.
Re: legacy lenses, if the 18-35 F/1.8 DC for Canon, has different optical IQ to the 18-35 F/1.8 DC for Sigma, then the offered mount change isn't going change that, so claims are either BS or a different issue.
I didn't say universal mount, but a generic (or half) mount. The part built into the camera consists of control wires and a socket.
The back of the adapter plugs into that socket, connects to the control wires and allows a Canikon or Sony Lens to mount on the front with correct pin alignment.
Those who think an adapted mount can not give perfect alignment between the focal plane and sensor have their thinking stuck in the naughties. The technology to achieve that has been around since 2012, just no-one has a reason to make it a feature yet. But Sigma sell lots of lenses in different mounts, so they have a reason to exploit it and make Foveon widely adopted.
DPR please put one of your Have Your Say Polls together, along the lines of:
Light Adrenaline: Agree with many here as well, I'd LOVE for these to be contenders! Heavy lenses (SA) for a mirrorless (losing some advantages?) and the design (though trending oddness with Sigma Q bodies) has me wondering if I'd be able to set it down without it tipping over. I'd expect color and detail to be excellent, just curious about RAW compatibility with non-proprietary software, ISO performance over 400 and user speed. I look forward to seeing how these pan out!
all good points, especially about the ISO performance and raw. The problem of fitting Foveon into a raw workflow needs to be treated as part of the launch of this product. Sigma really need to work with the raw software companies.
Ah, I still remember the excitement of the SD1 announcement, and then the actual performance of the SD1 camera.
Sigma always did great announcements. And recently, great lenses too.
kty: Come on Sigma, join the Micro 4/3 system and make these cameras with active MFT mount. They would be a totally unique offering to tons of people and undoubtedly very good sellers.
The M43 system has a great selection of lightweight and high quality lenses, and combining them with a Foveon makes a lot of sense for photographers wanting better IQ in a small package, but unfortunately very little sense for Sigmas lens business.
As we say in England, it's like the busses.
We wait and wait and wait, then three come along and we are spoiled for choice.
Still, good to have option.
I fear for my PIN numbers
Mark Banas: Am I the only one who reads "204 degree lens" and thinks this action cam can see behind itself?
Ah, maybe that's what they mean by more than an action cam, it's an action-reaction cam so you can see the crowd cheering behind you as you pass the finish line.
Nice design, decent specs and the vibrate on start-stop is a good feature.
But what is it with these marketing guys "More than an action cam", LOL. Does it have a jet drive to propel you underwater? A built in hair dryer for well groomed after-swim shots? Please elaborate, the world is turning blue and wants to breath again.
Well, at least they got the announcement out before next month's total eclipse, if not the product.
vapentaxuser: I guess one thing that really bugs me is the fact that this new 18-135 lens is $600 extra regardless of whether you buy it in a kit of separately. I think Canon should've shaved about $100-$200 off the kit price as an incentive for buying the 80d. Or maybe this is just a little game they are playing to see how many people will drop $1800 for it before they drop the price a few months down the road. In other words, it might be wise to wait a little while for the inevitable price drop on this kit.
Yes, and the fact that is only F5.6 at the long end highlights that this probably is more of a kit zoom, so even by itself the $600 seems a little steep. Previous model was $499 but could be picked up for around $400 from time to time. It was quite well rated for a mid price lens.
Is there a way we can use this click-through widget? It basically seems to be a an embedded viewer for the gallery. It would be a great compact way for presenting our photo stories, but I don't see a way for us to embed the viewer when making posts.
Just a thought.
MacM: I'd like this camera. I've never used a Pentax. One the other side, I have used Canon for awhile. So I really want to stay with Canon; however I really wonder what it'd be like with another system
Many prospective wives for rent here in Thailand.
Oh, you meant the camera? I'll get my coat.
I have an idea for this challenge, but won't get the chance to try it so I give the idea for others to try.
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Seems like there may be an opportunity to combine all random elements into a single image/story!
Jeez, I can't believe this kind of nonsense is still going on.
Haven't visited DPR much in the last few years, but I kinda thought people woulda grown up a bit.
So 3 people rated it just 1.5, and 2 others rated it only 2.5 stars. Has to be either jealousy or attempted sabotage. They should be taken outside naked, have honey and pollen spread on their genitals and a thousand hungry bees released near them. Let get get their own chance of catching some nature!
Lovely shot, and well done with the effort you put in to get it.
Something is very wrong with these samples. I think out of fairness to Fujifilm they should be pulled until the problem is addressed.
I haven't examined every image, but Ive looked at about half, and downloaded a dozen and I see issues all over the place.
A few examples:
20 - Very grainy and lacking in crisp detail. Like it was first printed on canvas and then a photo taken of the print!
26 - like an over-sharpened OOF image. Foreground foliage lacking in detail, sharpening halos around the stone ridge which also has un-natural texture. Background like a watercolour painting with almost no detail but lots of sharpening.34 - Rendering of OOF area behind tractor, the bend in road and chevron signs - double rendering - camera shake at 1/1250s?
There are also many questionable exposure decisions, why use 1/2000s iso800 for a static scene? And many images lack a discernible focus point.
Really, a very poor set of images all round, and I sure this camera is capable of much better.
Or put it another way. Put a Sony M43 BSI 20MP sensor and processors into the LX100, add an ND filter and better VF, and I'll buy 20 of them to give/sell to my friends when they ask me which camera they should buy.
But for now, I pass.
It's sad that in 2015 Canon insist on loading a near class-leading body with a class trailing sensor. I've not bought a Canon in years (5DMk2), guess I wait a few more.
The G1X2 is very capable under typical usage, but for me, the point of a camera like this (lens, sensor size, controls, features) is for when you have to take it places where larger equipment can't go. As such it will get pushed to extremes and a substandard sensor (banding and noise) will let you down after all the hard work was done.
I have similar thoughts about the Panasonic. M43 sensors reached their (imaging) Peak over 3 years ago with the OM-D but have been static since. I'd really hoped we would have seen a 20ish MP BSI (or better) M43 sensor by now.
I wouldn't put anyone off buying these cameras a their main camera, it's hard to find a bad camera these days and these all look excellent. But they all just fall a little short of ideal, suspiciously so, like the manufacturers are deliberately holding back.
keepreal: Why did Olympus not produce an f/4 PRO lens and kept the size, weight and price down? Built to the same quality, I probably would have been able to dispense with my DSLR kit. Lenses this gargantuan or even bigger on MFT are a bad joke.
A few months ago I asked "Panasonic 7-14mm on Olympus - how good?" on the DPR forum for "Micro Four Thirds Talk" and was put off for a number of reasons. It is not quite good enough for my liking. I had been considering it with my Olympus E-PL3 plus the VF-4 viewfinder.
That was because I would have preferred to use it instead of my Nikon D300 and Sigma 12-24mm f4.5-5.6 EX DG. Since I bought that lens, I have used it almost all of the time. That should not surprise you, since most of my pictures are of landscapes, most shot near to or at 12mm.
See the more recent at http://www.ipernity.com/home/contrajur, all but very few with this lens. Most people do not need large apertures or more than 12 megapixels, even for high quality very large size prints.
I know it's an old thread but just wanted to make a reply to this.
The Panasonic 7-14/4 is a really excellent lens and I doubt it really warrants the 'not quite good enough' label.
It does have one real issue on Olympus bodies, which is a nasty purple flare when the sun hits the front element at various angles. But there is a DIY fix for this that reduces the purple tint of the flare and makes it look closer to the type of flare you get with most wide lenses in any system.
The 7-14 is an absolute joy to shoot with, with aprox 15 of my top (favourite) 50 OM-D shots having been shot with this lens.
Dumping the larger SLR cameras for M43 is very liberating and the Panasonic 7-14 extols this ideal perfectly. 'Not quite good enough'? I'd say 'a lot better than you have been led to believe'.