alexeyga: Poor-poor Pentax users, a great travel zoom that no self-respecting Pentaxian will be able to go travel with because it has no WR... OMG!!!!
Dude, where do you see anything negative? I just feel sorry for the Pentax community. These fellas are worshiping the WR as if it's totally impossible to shoot outside without having this magical feature. Yet Pentax is releasing a brand new lens that should appeal to a lot of users due to its rather flexible zoom range, but without the biggest Pentax selling point! To boot, the lens in question is nothing but a re-badged Tamron lens, but for 250$ more.
C'mon Pentax users, don't you feel being shafted? About time to wake up...
Poor-poor Pentax users, a great travel zoom that no self-respecting Pentaxian will be able to go travel with because it has no WR... OMG!!!!
Gazeomon: On paper this looks like just the camera I hoped Nikon would come up with to replace The D300/s with. If I find usable lenses in the Pentax range for my style of shooting (and 3rd party lenses) I might be tempted to switch systems. Nikon has become a very uncertain prospect for DX shooters these days.
I'd wait to see what the D600 and D7100 will bring to the table. It all depends on your needs of course, but although Pentax might look interesting on paper, the reality is somewhat different.
I've started with Pentax, went the Nikon route later, tried to go back to Pentax a few times as I was missing its "Pros" despite a truck load of very heavy "Cons", but I was hitting the same wall all over again - If you already have some good Pentax glass - it's worth sticking with, but you have to be insane to jump-in from scratch if you're anyhow serious about photography.
alexeyga: Hey Pentax boys, why don't you enlighten the public what's the point in WR if all the best Pentax lenses (like 31LTD, 43LTD, 77LTD) are not WR-ed?
And why would anybody want to invest into Pentax DA* lenses that are actually WR-ed, but come with the SDM AF mechanism that is prone to failure?
@ AlizarineFunny thing is that for you money you're still better of looking elsewhere. I've bought into Pentax back when it actually was an affordable alternative to big boys. But somewhere along the way Pentax has decided that they can now play on the same field with CaNikon price-wise without being even remotely close in terms of quality and choice of products offered.
If you've been with Pentax for the last 5-10 years and have got some good lenses - it would make sense to continue sticking with it if you don't have any "specific" needs.
But buying in from scratch, side by side with CaNikon, in the lens department Pentax sucks balls. Last time i've checked a used MF 300/4 on Pentax-forums was selling for more than Nikon's AF-D 300/4... And if for the price of brand new Pentax DA*300/4 I can get a brand new CaNikon 300/4 (IS) that focuses a gazillion times faster and AF doesn't fall apart... well - in my books, Pentax can go hang it-self.
@ JacobSRThe DA equivalents of these lenses (DA21/DA40/DA70) that were made for the cropped sensor aren't sealed either and these are among the best examples why somebody would choose Pentax. Beautiful, compact lenses with great IQ. But without the WR that the Pentax community is so proud about!!!
@ zxaarEasy - GoPro!!! )))
Seriously though, no company offers a full line of sealed cameras and lenses. In CaNikonSony land it's the pro and wannabe-pro level stuff, top of the line Olympus as well. But no company besides Pentax is trying to differentiate it-self from others by availability of WR while not even half of lenses in the lineup is actually sealed. And no other community but Pentax is so anal about it.
"Wooohaaa!!! I can't take a decent photo for sh@t, but I can now take a shower with my camera!!! this is the best camera for the money paid!!! Wooohaaaa!!!!!"
Same could be said about the lack being able to see things outside of the Pentax-WR-bubble!
B.t.w. how a simple bounce-flash is something super-specific? Well, perhaps it is with the Pentax because none of the Pentax bodies I had were able to meter adequately once the flash-head is pointed elsewhere but directly "in da face".
And just so you know, i've been a Pentax user for a good while so I know its limitations rather well. And these aren't worth the "WR that only works with some lenses" that the Pentax community is so anal about! Or the AF that is still light years behind a 2008 D90. Etc...
Speaking about buck for buck value, why would anybody sane pay 250$ (Adorama) for the Pentax SMCP-DA 50mm f/1.8 that is not sealed (so much for the WR-hysteria) and has the screw-driven AF when Nikon's 50mm f/1.8G AF-S that is sealed by design, has faster, more accurate and quieter AF sells for 216$???
And just for fun - why don't you find out how much Nikon's 85mm f1.8 AF-S (WR'd by design as well) lens goes for these days and why somebody should go for the 77mm LTD instead at twice the price? With NO WR and a screw-driven AF???!!!
Hey Pentax boys, why don't you enlighten the public what's the point in WR if all the best Pentax lenses (like 31LTD, 43LTD, 77LTD) are not WR-ed?
CameraLabTester: Pentax used to be running with Champions in the film era.
I wonder what happened...
Pentax users please don't get upset and blow your top. Truth hurts.
It used to be a very very good brand of a camera.
No to mention the stone-aged AF and a very unreliable flash work with Pentax cameras. Damn, a D70 (2004) can handle a flash better than all new Pentax bodies all together.
The reality for Pentax is somewhat less bright than the Pentax crowd wants to believe.
Yes, latest Pentax bodies have awesome IQ, but you guys tend to forget, that for any serious photographer a camera body isn't nearly as important as the glass that you attach it to and here's where anybody willing to invest into Pentax will hit a brick wall. Lenses are rarely available and are severely over-priced while not being even close technologically to their CaNikon alternatives.
Speaking about brand new, how stupid somebody has to be to pay 250$ (Adorama) for the Pentax SMCP-DA 50mm f/1.8 that is not sealed (so much for the WR-hysteria) and has the screw-driven AF when Nikon's Nikon 50mm f/1.8G AF-S that is sealed by design, has faster, more accurate and quieter AF sells for 216$???
Hey Pentax boys, why don't you - just for fun - find out how much Nikon's 85mm f1.8 AF-S lens goes for these days and why somebody should go for the 77mm LTD instead at twice the price? With NO WR???!!!
Must be one of these cases when one of the conceptual prototypes got accepted by the decision-making guys a bit too fast. Happens in the design-field all the times, you make something up just for the sake of it and to show "other" possibilities, but then you regret it because the money-man is too stupid, too cheap and totally tasteless because the damn thing went through as is! That thing is not even half-baked!!!
As a ex-Pentax user, I'm speechless!!! WTF is Pentax/Ricoh is thinking about? Why release a LEGO-looking camera when Fuji has such a huge success with their retro-X-linup? The fact that this camera is compatible with the whole line of K-mount lenses is awesome, but there is one little problem - there is no "whole line of K-mount lenses" on the market!!! Try finding some quality K-mount glass and you'll see that either there's none at all, or it's so overpriced that Fuji's X-Pro1 starts looking like a real deal (nevermind Canon's L and Nikons G lenses).
So, WTF is Pentax/Ricoh is thinking about?